Gulf Oil Rig Disaster
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Pete McCluskey.
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Plus +1000 this was on Business Week an hour ago.BP Halts Gulf of Mexico Leak, Starts Pressure Test - BusinessWeek
Pat Buckley
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Excellent!
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Domtoni,
I hope you can be honest for a moment.
You did not answer my question about the spilled paint and I do not blame you, as its a stupid question. Of course its not the Federal Governments job to clean up my spill just as its not the Federal Governments job to clean up BP's spill. THATS NOT THE JOB OF THE FEDERAL GOV!!!!! Unless you like a much, much bigger government and are willing to pay for it.
Domtoni, I now want you to be honest with me.
If after being elected Obama had said: you know there is a possibilty of an oil leak and I think that we need to be prepared. I'm going to set up three new Navy task forces one in the gulf, one of CA and one off Alaska to be prepared to.......you and Glenn Beck and his friends at Fox would have rightly screamed bloody murder......
Another example of growing Government wasting money.... and they would have been right.
They would have said its the oil companies job to prepair, not the fedral government and they would have been right!
Yet ever since the oil spill started, you and Glen Beck and the other Concervatives have been blaming Obama for everything.
So tell us now Domtoni if you really think it is the Fedral Govenments job to fix leaks and clean up this type of spill and they were not prepaird are you now ready to fund three new Navy task forces with billions of dollars and expand the government? I think not!!!
Honestly Domtoni, you have believed the lies that Beck, Fox and all have told you.
I know and you should know that it makes no differance what Obama did they would have blamed him and you belived their crap and it can/will lead to bigger Governemt and its your fault.
Anyone can see that if there needs to be preparations for this type of spill the oil companies need to go in together and set it up. It needs to be part of any new drilling contract. Additionally the gulf States who have, are and will make Billions and Billions of $$$ need to set aside some to prepair.
Now Domtoni, now be honest, If there was a Concervative in the White House, would YOU and Fox be blaming them? Of course not!!!!
One last question, Domtoni, do you think "real small government Concervatives" think that the Government should be responsable for cleaning up after big business? REALLY?
Now how are you and Fox going to get out of making this a bigger govenment thing?
Wait, I know, they will blame Obama.....and you will belive them SHAME ON YOU!!!! TRY THINKING FOR YOUR SELF.
I hope you can be honest for a moment.
You did not answer my question about the spilled paint and I do not blame you, as its a stupid question. Of course its not the Federal Governments job to clean up my spill just as its not the Federal Governments job to clean up BP's spill. THATS NOT THE JOB OF THE FEDERAL GOV!!!!! Unless you like a much, much bigger government and are willing to pay for it.
Domtoni, I now want you to be honest with me.
If after being elected Obama had said: you know there is a possibilty of an oil leak and I think that we need to be prepared. I'm going to set up three new Navy task forces one in the gulf, one of CA and one off Alaska to be prepared to.......you and Glenn Beck and his friends at Fox would have rightly screamed bloody murder......
Another example of growing Government wasting money.... and they would have been right.
They would have said its the oil companies job to prepair, not the fedral government and they would have been right!
Yet ever since the oil spill started, you and Glen Beck and the other Concervatives have been blaming Obama for everything.
So tell us now Domtoni if you really think it is the Fedral Govenments job to fix leaks and clean up this type of spill and they were not prepaird are you now ready to fund three new Navy task forces with billions of dollars and expand the government? I think not!!!
Honestly Domtoni, you have believed the lies that Beck, Fox and all have told you.
I know and you should know that it makes no differance what Obama did they would have blamed him and you belived their crap and it can/will lead to bigger Governemt and its your fault.
Anyone can see that if there needs to be preparations for this type of spill the oil companies need to go in together and set it up. It needs to be part of any new drilling contract. Additionally the gulf States who have, are and will make Billions and Billions of $$$ need to set aside some to prepair.
Now Domtoni, now be honest, If there was a Concervative in the White House, would YOU and Fox be blaming them? Of course not!!!!
One last question, Domtoni, do you think "real small government Concervatives" think that the Government should be responsable for cleaning up after big business? REALLY?
Now how are you and Fox going to get out of making this a bigger govenment thing?
Wait, I know, they will blame Obama.....and you will belive them SHAME ON YOU!!!! TRY THINKING FOR YOUR SELF.
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Jim,
I put a post up yesterday from my mobile, however I find no record of it.
What I said was all Obama had to do was suspend the Jones Act, a law enacted in the 1920s to protect union jobs, immediately (which he could have done with his executive powers). Then the Dutch skimmers would have immediately contained the out flow of oil, protecting the coastline, not putting Gulf Coast at risk, and minimizing BPs liabilities.
It was further mentioned that a whole host of other Federal Agencies stopped Louisiana from taking its own action to prevent the oil from coming ashore.
My only complaint with BHO (I didn't vote for him, but I really hoped his performance would prove me wrong) is his lack of action.
Here is a timeline of the oil spill.
Oil Spill Timeline on Vimeo
And yes, I thought Bush was a bit slow in his Katrina response, but today he looks like a hero.
I put a post up yesterday from my mobile, however I find no record of it.
What I said was all Obama had to do was suspend the Jones Act, a law enacted in the 1920s to protect union jobs, immediately (which he could have done with his executive powers). Then the Dutch skimmers would have immediately contained the out flow of oil, protecting the coastline, not putting Gulf Coast at risk, and minimizing BPs liabilities.
It was further mentioned that a whole host of other Federal Agencies stopped Louisiana from taking its own action to prevent the oil from coming ashore.
My only complaint with BHO (I didn't vote for him, but I really hoped his performance would prove me wrong) is his lack of action.
Here is a timeline of the oil spill.
Oil Spill Timeline on Vimeo
And yes, I thought Bush was a bit slow in his Katrina response, but today he looks like a hero.
Just curious, domtoni.....could Bee-OH have suspended the Jones Act in regard to the runaway well without extending it to other issues? I suspect that had the Jones Act been suspended in regard to all issues, there would have been mayhem within the labor unions (not to mention greedy unrelated business "leaders" taking advantage of a window of opportunity that was not opened to benefit them) and they do seem to wield a bit of politiical power.
I'm just asking b/c it seems to me that there might have been a bigger picture here.
Also, I must respectfully disagree in regard to your last comment.....Gee-DUB still looks like a buffoon to many of us who have to endure him in the U.S.!
Doug
I'm just asking b/c it seems to me that there might have been a bigger picture here.
Also, I must respectfully disagree in regard to your last comment.....Gee-DUB still looks like a buffoon to many of us who have to endure him in the U.S.!
Doug
Doug, can't comment about the implications of the Jones Act, but Bush did suspend it during Katrina. I presume BHO could have done the same.
My comment regarding Bush (he was not my favorite president) came from the comparison between the two Gulf disasters. Bush responded in 2 days, BHO in 70 days.
My comment regarding Bush (he was not my favorite president) came from the comparison between the two Gulf disasters. Bush responded in 2 days, BHO in 70 days.
Pat Buckley
GT40s Supporter
Craik: Man you are one insulting sob, aren't you?
With the resources of the countries that volunteered we would have kept most off the oil from reaching shore. We waited until the 73rd day to suspended the Jones Act. That was a huge screwup no matter how you look at it.
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Again, I must respectfully disagree. GEE-Dub did not even address the issue for 2 days, perhaps, but Bee-OH was at least acknowledging the oil spill issue immediately. Again, I ask, what would you have had Bee-OH do? Would you want him to grab some paper towels and go out on a boat and start sopping up oil from the top of the water? I suspect not, as his efforts can be and were better spent getting other avenues of action mobilized. Lots of behind the scenes action would not be visible. To assert that he waited 70 days before he even acknowledged the issue is misleading, to say the least.
Doug
Doug and Jim,
You guys are like the liberal press and will defend your president with everything you have including rewriting the recent history if it supports your views. You cannot find fault with BO regardless of his mistakes, but all you can counter with is more complaints about BushII. Several more rational minds on this forum have pointed out the shortcommings of both men, but you continue to hide your head in the sand.
There has yet to be a perfect president and BO is no exception. I for one have seen the color of your flag and its a rainbow for all to see. I don't know why you cannot rationally see mistakes and own up to the logic when dealing with BO but you can condemn the entire Republican list of presidents from the beginning of time.
I for one have regrettably seen that emotional outbursts,not rational thought, has become your calling card. You guys just keep stepping in time to the BO tune while the rest of the world tells it like it is.
No president is either all good or all bad, just a man. As such he is subject to lapses in judgement and the occasional mistake. However you keep defending stupidity without calling him on it. Why do you keep making excuses for this guy when he has been in charge for 18 months? Its time to quit blaming the other guys and hold him accountable for his own mistakes.
Garry
You guys are like the liberal press and will defend your president with everything you have including rewriting the recent history if it supports your views. You cannot find fault with BO regardless of his mistakes, but all you can counter with is more complaints about BushII. Several more rational minds on this forum have pointed out the shortcommings of both men, but you continue to hide your head in the sand.
There has yet to be a perfect president and BO is no exception. I for one have seen the color of your flag and its a rainbow for all to see. I don't know why you cannot rationally see mistakes and own up to the logic when dealing with BO but you can condemn the entire Republican list of presidents from the beginning of time.
I for one have regrettably seen that emotional outbursts,not rational thought, has become your calling card. You guys just keep stepping in time to the BO tune while the rest of the world tells it like it is.
No president is either all good or all bad, just a man. As such he is subject to lapses in judgement and the occasional mistake. However you keep defending stupidity without calling him on it. Why do you keep making excuses for this guy when he has been in charge for 18 months? Its time to quit blaming the other guys and hold him accountable for his own mistakes.
Garry
He was offered help at day three, he waited until day 73 to suspend the Jones act. Hell I acknowleged there was a spill on day one, and if I would have flown to the Gulf Coast 3 times and BSed with some people, I would have accomplished just about as much as BO over 72 days. A bunch of fishing boats running around the gulf and guys picking up tarballs with breaks every 15 minutes, and BP did that. We are not looking for BO to be God, just suspend the Jones act and let the Governors of the states work without the feds impeding their work. Suspend the Jones Act, stay the hell out of the way! That's all! Now we have oil in wetlands, fish and wildlife screwed up that will take decades to recover.
Geez Jim, do some spell check!
Garry, exactly!
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Garry,
You are mistaken,
I voted for Reagan the first time, I was a Republican until what they did during the Clinton era, I am by no means 100% behind Obama.
What I cant stand is what is alway a completely one sided argument from some people on this form.
You may not belive this but if the attacks all came from the left, I would be attacking them.
But as you can see, all the attacks come from the right, I do not start the attacks, I only answer them.
If they stop the one sided attacks I will stop answering them.
But continual one sided, half truth, partial story attacks will get a reaction from me every time!
Gary, do you ever see me start one sided, half truth, partial story attackes against the right? Only one time, My "note to concervatives" many months ago and I was wrong.
You seem more upset by my pointing out illogical comments than the illogical comments in the first place.
You are mistaken,
I voted for Reagan the first time, I was a Republican until what they did during the Clinton era, I am by no means 100% behind Obama.
What I cant stand is what is alway a completely one sided argument from some people on this form.
You may not belive this but if the attacks all came from the left, I would be attacking them.
But as you can see, all the attacks come from the right, I do not start the attacks, I only answer them.
If they stop the one sided attacks I will stop answering them.
But continual one sided, half truth, partial story attacks will get a reaction from me every time!
Gary, do you ever see me start one sided, half truth, partial story attackes against the right? Only one time, My "note to concervatives" many months ago and I was wrong.
You seem more upset by my pointing out illogical comments than the illogical comments in the first place.
