Gulf Oil Rig Disaster

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
Here's a basic fact: President Obama didn't cause the spill. Basic fact no. 2: he's assembled the available experts (including BP) and they are doing what they can to stop it.

Dick Morris has nothing to gain from this? Dude, come on -- he has the almighty dollar to gain from it (and since he owes millions in back taxes, essentially stealing from you and me), he needs the money. So he says whatever he needs to say to make money.

Morris's opinion is PRECISELY opinion with a few scattered facts. He's not a scientist. He's a political schill on a fake news channel looking to make a buck. Post some scientific data and we can talk.

Otherwise, I could go drudge up 50 links blaming President Bush for Katrina (just as stupid) and throw them out as reasoned opinion.
 
Here's a basic fact: President Obama didn't cause the spill. Basic fact no. 2: he's assembled the available experts (including BP) and they are doing what they can to stop it.

Dick Morris has nothing to gain from this? Dude, come on -- he has the almighty dollar to gain from it (and since he owes millions in back taxes, essentially stealing from you and me), he needs the money. So he says whatever he needs to say to make money.

Morris's opinion is PRECISELY opinion with a few scattered facts. He's not a scientist. He's a political schill on a fake news channel looking to make a buck. Post some scientific data and we can talk.

Otherwise, I could go drudge up 50 links blaming President Bush for Katrina (just as stupid) and throw them out as reasoned opinion.

Where in the hell are the experts? They must be experts at something not related to oil containment and cleanup. He said he assembled them starting on day one, it's been 62 days and if what I see on the news is correct, a very feeble attempt is being made to clean up the gulf and contain the leak. Why not accept foreign help? When I saw Bush screw something up, I didn't have a problem admitting it and talking about it. What's the Liberal problem, are you all going to hell if you admit that the the chosen one isn't living up to expectations? Come on, open your eyes, nothing constructive is happening on the gulf. A minimal amount of scimmers, and a few guys picking up tar balls for photo ops with breaks every 15 minutes. The only all out effort is being made by Governor Jindal, and the government keeps screwing with him to impede his progress. BO and Biden are off trying to sell the idea that the stymulus is working. The number one problem now is the Gulf, and only the Gulf, all else can wait, it's been waiting a year and a half, a few more days won't hurt. Ok , Bush screwed up with Katrina, happy? He screwed up with Iraq, happy? He screwed up with Afghanistan, happy? I would very much like to see BO be successful with the gulf. Right now I don't want to hear about global warming, Cap and Trade, alternative fuels, etc. I want to see decisive action taken to contain the spill and clean up the gulf, now, not next week or month, NOW. This isn't a political thing, it's an American thing, we need to stop the spill and clean it up, it's our country. Our people are in jeopardy, our wildlife and fishing industry is in jeopardy, our gulf is in jeopardy. We need to fix it! NOW!
 
Al.. you are exactly correct, we need action NOW!
Unfortunately this president WILL NOT pass on this golden opportunity to
politicize this disaster. He's in way over his head..
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
More can be done I'm sure. Different things can be done I'm sure. But to say that BP and the federal government is doing nothing is pretty off the wall. Plus, the reasons why the Corps has interfered with some of what Louisiana wants to do is because Louisiana wants to build berms that will push the oil off to neighboring states. Not good.

The wiki summary of the efforts so far:

BP, which was leading the cleanup, initially employed remotely operated underwater vehicles, 700 workers, four airplanes and 32 vessels to contain the oil.[44] After the discovery that the undersea wellhead was leaking, the oil cleanup was hampered by high waves on April 24 and 25.[76] According to Hayward, BP will compensate all those affected by the oil spill saying that "We are taking full responsibility for the spill and we will clean it up and where people can present legitimate claims for damages we will honor them. We are going to be very, very aggressive in all of that."[150] On May 6 BP launched a section on their corporate web site devoted to the daily response efforts.[151]

On April 28 the US military announced it was joining the cleanup operation.[48] Doug Suttles, chief operating officer of BP, welcomed the assistance of the US military.[48] The same day, the US Coast Guard announced plans to corral and burn off up to 1,000 barrels (42,000 US gallons; 160 cubic metres) of oil on the surface each day. It tested how much environmental damage a small, controlled burn of 100 barrels (4,200 US gallons; 16 cubic metres) did to surrounding wetlands, but could not proceed with an open seas burn due to poor conditions.[152][153] By April 29 69 vessels including skimmers, tugs, barges and recovery vessels were active in cleanup activities. On April 30 President Barack Obama announced that he had dispatched the Secretaries of the Department of Interior and Homeland Security, as well as the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency and NOAA to the Gulf Coast to assess the disaster.[154]


Clouds of smoke billow up from controlled burns taking place in the Gulf of Mexico.In an attempt to minimize impact to sensitive areas in the Mississippi River Delta area more than 100,000 feet (30 km) of containment booms were deployed along the coast.[149] By the next day, this nearly doubled to 180,000 feet (55 km) of deployed booms, with an additional 300,000 feet (91 km) staged or being deployed.[152][155] On May 2 high winds and rough waves rendered oil-catching booms largely ineffective.[156]

As of April 30, approximately 2,000 people and 79 vessels were involved in the response and BP claimed that more than 6,300,000 US gallons (150,000 barrels; 23,800 cubic metres) of oil-water mix had been recovered.[77] On May 4 the US Coast Guard estimated that 170 vessels, and nearly 7,500 personnel were involved in the cleanup efforts, with an additional 2,000 volunteers assisting.[157] On May 26 all of the commercial fishing boats helping in the clean up and recovery process were ordered ashore. A total of 125 commercial vessels which had been outfitted with equipment for oil recovery operations were recalled after some workers began experiencing health problems.[158]

The type of oil involved is also a major problem. While most of the oil drilled off Louisiana is a lighter crude, because the blown well is deep under the ocean, the gushing oil is a heavier blend which contains asphalt-like substances. According to Ed Overton, who heads a federal chemical hazard assessment team for oil spills, this type of oil emulsifies well, making a "major sticky mess". Once it becomes that kind of mix, it no longer evaporates as quickly as regular oil, does not rinse off as easily, cannot be eaten by microbes as easily, and does not burn as well. "That type of mixture essentially removes all the best oil clean-up weapons", Overton and others said.[159]

On May 21 Plaquemines Parish president Billy Nungesser publicly complained about the federal government's hindrance of local mitigation efforts. State and local officials had proposed building sand berms off the coast to catch the oil before it reached the wetlands, but the emergency permit request had not been answered for over two weeks. The following day Nungesser complained that the plan had been vetoed, while Army Corps of Engineers officials claimed that the request was still under review.[160] Gulf Coast Government officials have released water via the Mississippi River diversions in effort to create an outflow of water that would keep the oil off the coast. The water from these diversions comes from the entire Mississippi watershed. Even with this approach, NOAA is predicting a "massive" landfall to the west of the Mississippi River at Port Fourchon.[161]

On May 23 Louisiana Attorney General Buddy Caldwell wrote a letter to Lieutenant General Robert L. Van Antwerp of the US Army Corps of Engineers,[162] stating that Louisiana has the right to dredge sand to build barrier islands to keep the oil spill from its wetlands without the Corps' approval, as the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution prevents the federal government from denying a state the right to act in an emergency.[163][164] He also wrote that if the Corps "persists in its illegal and ill-advised efforts" to prevent the state from building the barriers that he would advise Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal to proceed with the plans and challenge the Corps in court.[165]

On June 3 BP said barrier projects ordered by Adm. Thad Allen would cost $360 million.[84]

On June 4 Ecosphere Technologies, a diversified water engineering and environmental services company, deployed a non-chemical water treatment system to assist in the remediation efforts.[166]

On June 16 Great Lakes Dredge and Dock Company under the Shaw Environmental and Infrastructure Group began constructing sand berms off the Louisiana coast to limit the amount of approaching oil in the Gulf of Mexico.[167]

[edit] Dispersants
On May 1 two United States Department of Defense C-130 Hercules aircraft were employed to spray oil dispersant.[168] Corexit EC9500A and Corexit EC9527A are the main oil dispersants being used.[169] These contain propylene glycol, 2-butoxyethanol and dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate.[170][171] On May 7 Secretary Alan Levine of the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals, Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality Secretary Peggy Hatch, and Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries Secretary Robert Barham sent a letter to BP outlining their concerns related to potential dispersant impact on Louisiana's wildlife and fisheries, environment, aquatic life, and public health. Officials are also requesting BP release information on the effects of the dispersants they are using to combat the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.[172]


A C-130 Hercules drops an oil-dispersing chemical into the Gulf of Mexico.The Environmental Protection Agency approved the injection of dispersants directly at the leak site, to break up the oil before it reaches the surface, after three underwater tests.[173] Corexit EC9500A and EC9527A are neither the least toxic, nor the most effective, among the dispersants approved by the Environmental Protection Agency,[174] and they are banned from use on oil spills in the United Kingdom.[175] Twelve other products received better toxicity and effectiveness ratings,[176] but BP says it chose to use Corexit because it was available the week of the rig explosion.[174] Critics contend that the major oil companies stockpile Corexit because of their close business relationship with its manufacturer Nalco.[174][177] By May 20, BP had applied 600,000 US gallons (2,300,000 l) of Corexit on the surface and 55,000 US gallons (210,000 l) underwater.[178]

Independent scientists have suggested that the underwater injection of Corexit into the leak might be responsible for the plumes of oil discovered below the surface.[176] However, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration administrator Jane Lubchenco said that there was no information supporting this conclusion, and indicated further testing would be needed to ascertain the cause of the undersea oil clouds.[176]

On May 19 the Environmental Protection Agency gave BP 24 hours to choose less toxic alternatives to Corexit. The alternative(s) had to be selected from the list of Environmental Protection Agency-approved dispersants on the National Contingency Plan Product Schedule with application beginning within 72 hours of Environmental Protection Agency approval of their choices, or provide a "detailed description of the alternative dispersants investigated, and the reason they believe those products did not meet the required standards."[179][180] On May 20 US Polychemical Corporation reportedly received an order from BP for Dispersit SPC 1000, a dispersant it manufactures. US Polychemical stated it was able to produce 20,000 US gallons (76,000 l) a day in the first few days and increasing up to 60,000 US gallons (230,000 L) a day thereafter.[181] BP spokesman Scott Dean said May 20 that BP had responded to the Environmental Protection Agency directive with a letter "that outlines our findings that none of the alternative products on the Environmental Protection Agency 's National Contingency Plan Product Schedule list meets all three criteria specified in yesterday's directive for availability, toxicity and effectiveness."[182] BP has so far refused to offer an acceptable "detailed description of the alternatives investigated and the reason they believe those products did not meet the required standards" on a public Web site, as called for in a letter sent on May 20 by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa P. Jackson to BP CEO Tony Hayward, claiming such full disclosure would compromise its confidential business information.[183][184] In a press conference on May 24, EPA administrator Lisa P. Jackson said the 700,000 US gallons (2,600,000 l) of dispersants already used was "approaching a world record" and that “dissatisfied with BP’s response” she was ordering the EPA to conduct their own evaluation of alternatives to Corexit, while ordering BP to take “immediate steps to scale back the use of dispersants.”[185][186][187]

The EPA released further data on the chemical composition of Corexit, including 2-butoxyethanol, identified as a causal agent in the health problems experienced by cleanup workers after the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.[188] Nalco has added a webpage to their site titled, Nalco Releases Additional Technical Information About COREXIT. They claim that COREXIT 9500 "is a simple blend of six well-established, safe ingredients that biodegrade, do not bioaccumulate and are commonly found in popular household products". They state, "The COREXIT products do not contain carcinogens or reproductive toxins. All the ingredients have been extensively studied for many years and have been determined safe and effective by the EPA".[189]
 
Don't you just love it. We spend Billions on aid to 22 countries(those offering aid for a price) including relief efforts(on top of the aid) to many of these countries(floods and earth quakes). That includes China for two earthquakes and they want to sell us the equipment we need. I don't know all the countries, but some are supposed to be our closest allies. France, Croatia, Netherlands, Britain, China, Viet Nam, and Israel, to name a few. I think it is appalling that one of the poorest countries in the world, Mexico is the only one to have offered their aid for free.

Bill
 
What's offensive about a liberal policy of selling our future generations debt for a socialist cause?

Don't you know you are supposed to be indebted to the world for being born or becoming an American? ;)

Am I the only one who finds reverse-capitalism richly perverse and subtly ironic when foisted upon us by many of the socialist/communist nations who deride our financial system of capitalism (which originally paid for the tax burden that funded the US' charitable donations to them)?

Simple fact is these nations are only doing so in the interest of avoiding the oil spill contaminating their coasts and fishing grounds. Why not a preemptive attempt to capitalize before they suffer financially?

Yeah, that was kind of offensive to me too.
 

Pat

Supporter
More can be done I'm sure. Different things can be done I'm sure. But to say that BP and the federal government is doing nothing is pretty off the wall. Plus, the reasons why the Corps has interfered with some of what Louisiana wants to do is because Louisiana wants to build berms that will push the oil off to neighboring states. Not good.

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Let’s try getting the facts straight.
Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal proposed 24 segments of sand booms to fortify against the oil. While the Corps' review process drug on, he took matters into his own hands and redirected the state-operated dredger on East Grand Terre to begin creating a sand boom wall of protection on that island. Only days after he directed this work, oil hit that area and today the sand boom on East Grand Terre is actively holding oil back from entering interior wetlands and waterways. Contrary to what has been written on this site, the oil washing up on the sand boom wall is then collected. It does not reverse course seeking another state’s beaches (with the implication that the building of these booms is hurting others –what nonsense!).
After weeks of delay, the Corps finally approved six segments in Jindal’s plan. But the Coast Guard announced it would only call on BP to pay for one segment. The state got together again with coastal parish leaders and met with the president and National Incident Commander Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen. Jindal told BP to stop sending lawyers and lobbyists; they had two choices — either begin work on the segments or get out of the way and let the state begin the dredging work themselves. Jindal chose option two for them and signed an emergency contract to begin work on the sand boom segments — again taking matters into their own hands to protect their coastline.
They will not wait on bureaucracy or wishful thinking while the Federal Government has moved with the skill and efficiency they demonstrated on:
· Fannie Mae
· Freddie Mac
· The stimulus package
· The economy
· Unemployment
· Tragically what appear to be strategic failures in Afghanistan
· Diplomatic failures in Iran and North Korea
and now the oil environmental disaster. Simply put they are a painfully inept bureaucracy with the strategic thinking of a 1950’s Soviet collective farm. Unfortunately, they have been enabled by Kool-Aid drinking liberals in the media (and elsewhere) who don’t want to criticize their hope and change choice.
 

Charlie Farley

Supporter
A knowledgeable Chef once told me, ' marinade the shrimps in plenty of oil before cooking '.
Seems like BP are owed money, no ?
Food supermarkets in the USA must be making a fortune.
 
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Pat

Supporter
Our entire family enjoyed our weekend swim in the Gulf...
 

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Why is the federal government continually screwing with Gov Bobby Jindal's efforts to contain the spill? Making them return to port to check for life perservers. Moving the dike out 2 miles further to protect fish. Jindal is trying to keep the oil from reaching land!
 
Why is the federal government continually screwing with Gov Bobby Jindal's efforts to contain the spill? Making them return to port to check for life perservers. Moving the dike out 2 miles further to protect fish. Jindal is trying to keep the oil from reaching land!

Al.........That's a rhetorical question.
 
Two of my UK friends, one of Jamacian extraction and one just a plain old ordinary black country guy said:
- Jamacian - BHO is just talking
- Black country guy - BHO is a prat, blaming us when an American company built the rig

Bottom line, BHO's strategy is finally loosing his UK friends !!!
 
From what I saw of the BOP, the pipe broke after the blow off protector and the oil flowed out of the broken pipe. I would have expected that the BOP had a shut off device, just like aircraft and forklift truck hydraulic systems, that sensed an increased flow rate.
 
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