Liberals gone wild.
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So, Jim, you get a pass on making general statements?
I will dare to say that the Conservative sees the spiraling costs of government run programs such as Medicare and Medicaid. We believe in the efficiencies of the free market.
With all due respect!
Come on Jim,
Why is it the only way that a Grand Kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan was removed from a Democratic Senate seat was by dying of old age in 2010?
Why is it the only way that a Grand Kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan was removed from a Democratic Senate seat was by dying of old age in 2010?
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
I have no idea.
Its pretty simple, Jim, if you vote the way the DNC wants you to vote, you stay forever. Compare that to the way Joe Lieberman was treated for supporting the war in Iraq. Quite a party you support there.
I see it such that when Jesus told the guys to go home, he didn't expect them to take charity but to resume a "normal" life (whatever that meant 2000 years ago). That means supporting oneself. That is conservative.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Domtoni,
You left out the part about him "curing" them.
He "cured" them and then sent them home.
The consevatives would have sent them home to die!
Wrong agian, Jim. Take the Oregon system as a perfect example of how government health care treats their patients. I'm sure our British friends will chime in soon with many more tales.
Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care - America's Future - FOXNews.com
For those who don't accept Fox News;
Oregon health plan covers assisted suicide, not drugs, for cancer patient :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)
Oregon health plan covers assisted suicide, not drugs, for cancer patient :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)
And then look at what the evil drug company Genentech did!!!!
"A doctor appealed to Genentech, the company that markets Tarceva in the U.S., to cover Wagner’s medication. On Monday Wagner was told the company would cover the drug treatment for a year, after which she could re-apply for the drug."
"A doctor appealed to Genentech, the company that markets Tarceva in the U.S., to cover Wagner’s medication. On Monday Wagner was told the company would cover the drug treatment for a year, after which she could re-apply for the drug."
Yeah, Jim, I guess it would be more convenient if the government just went ahead and killed those pesky sick people, no muss, no fuss!
I bet you'd eat the Soylent Green, wouldn't you, Jim.
So on the one hand you demonize the idea of social healthcare, then on the other hand you demonize a state for NOT offering it. The problem is, in this particular instance, the state is also offering another choice in physician assisted suicide (and as I remember - you are all for choice).
The real problem here is that all of your self proclaimed righteousness in the guise of personal freedoms comes to a head and blows up in your face as you struggle with how to explain that even though you believe people should be able to make their own decisions, they actually cannot when it comes to the one thing above all that we should truly have the final decision over - our own fate in times of suffering.
Your attempt at propping up your righteousness is to pick out one example and proclaim the entire system is out to kill people and everyone who doesn't side on the far far right with you is our enemy and not worth the oxygen they breathe. Using the same tactic could just as easily demonize your religion and show how it kills and rapes people. YOU, my friend, is why there is a divide in this country - you and everyone that speaks like you who happens to have a loud voice in the way of radio, TV, or the web. They, by the way, are the real problem and a severe danger to our political system. AND THEY GET RICH OFF IT.
The real reason why so many people are not participating in this discussion (and why I've bowed out of them not only on the internet, but person to person) is that people like you create a situation where there by definition cannot be a discussion.
You live so far off to one side in your views that you start right off with the accusation that anyone else is stupid, anti-whatever the topic is, and generally not worth speaking to. Any intelligent person can see the logic behind that: if that were truly the case, there cannot be a discussion because there is only one side available to discuss. YOU created that false pretense. The problem is that it's up to someone else to break that down so an objective discussion can happen. We all know that won't happen. Hence the choice to just not even bother. Again, YOU did that. It was YOUR choice. Perhaps that's the reason for the moniker lonesomebob?
So, we have an ironic situation here. According to the way the current system is operating, in this particular case, someone was offered assisted suicide and not healthcare by the state. I guess they should have been offered nothing? Yes, I agree it paints a bad picture. To jump to the conclusions you do, however, paints an unrealistic picture. Oregon is NOT out kill people.
Bob,
KIF RD may need some more sleep so here goes.
Please point me to any right wing conservative who would advocate the following.
1 "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor"
2 “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile.
3 Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you.
4 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies.
Don't get me wrong as a die hard Liberal with a left of centre leaning and ultimate hypocrite, I have no intention of selling my GT40 and giving the money to the poor, giving to everyone who begs, love my enemies and I did once turn the other cheek and paid a high price for it. Far to radical and left wing for me.
Keith you can wake up now I'm out of here.
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Oh, and by the way - at the very end of that Fox article it says:
Oregon voters have upheld the "Death with Dignity" law three times, and Sattenspiel says it is the state's duty to inform patients of all their legal options.
For Stroup, however, suicide was never an option. He fought back, and the Oregon Health Plan eventually reversed its decision and is now paying for his chemotherapy, giving him hope he'll be around a little longer for his 80-year-old mother and five grandchildren.
So, a hiccup happened, but the system still worked.
So what exactly was your point?
Oregon voters have upheld the "Death with Dignity" law three times, and Sattenspiel says it is the state's duty to inform patients of all their legal options.
For Stroup, however, suicide was never an option. He fought back, and the Oregon Health Plan eventually reversed its decision and is now paying for his chemotherapy, giving him hope he'll be around a little longer for his 80-year-old mother and five grandchildren.
So what exactly was your point?
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
ChrisP,
That was very well said, you were able to put into words what is obvious to me, but hard to explain.
I thank you very much!
Chris, well put. Unfortunately Fundamentalism is alive and well in the US, just don't look for it in Islam, look much closer to home...
Pat
Supporter
Good point on stating absolutes and thanks for posting Jim. Although I don't think the attribution to Bob is fair. I think he's making a rhetorical point and goodness knows we've all been there.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Thanks Veek,
I must say i debated with myself about re-posting that photo, not just because of its ugly message! But also because we have gone over that many times and I did not want to anger reasonable conservatives like you and Al.
I'm very glad you understand, that means a lot to me.
I must say i debated with myself about re-posting that photo, not just because of its ugly message! But also because we have gone over that many times and I did not want to anger reasonable conservatives like you and Al.
I'm very glad you understand, that means a lot to me.
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