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Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Which is why I never take notice of polls. To much depends on the way the question is asked and the demographic of the area polled.
Pete,
America is far from bankrupt, our economy is making trillions, and growing daily!
Our problem is not spending, the problem is we do not pay enough in taxes to cover what we have been spending.
If we want to live in a first world country, with all the benifits that come with that, we need to pay for it!
Now if we really want to spend more on our military than the next ten Countries combined.......
If we dont want our social safety nets...........................
If we don't want old folks to go without medicine.............
Thats fine, we can vote on that, but I think we know how that will come out, don't we.
We as a country want these things and we need to pay for them.
U.S. Has Some Of The Lowest Tax Rates In The Developed World
Only problem is the "we" who want all the free stuff is not the same "we" who is paying taxes for it. If you asked the people paying any type of serious taxes say 15% on up I think you would find by far the majority favor reducing expences.
Its easy to vote more for you if its being taken from somewhere else. In all faieness if things liek taxes go up everybody should feel it even if onlya little.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Sean,
Government is the name we have given to things we decide to do together.
We hade decided that its really best do some things together. Things like the Police, Fire Dept, Mail, roads, bridges, Education, FDA, Workmans Compensation, the Military, Coast Guard, Social Security, Air traffic controll, unemployment insurance, NTSB, Homeland Security, Medicare, Student Loans, Affordable health Care.................
Sean there are two choices, the American people can Vote in a Govenment who with close these programs, good luck with that........ or we can pay for them.
There are no other choices.
Cutting taxes only increased the interest on the debt and fooled the people into thinking that their taxes were enough to pay for all we want and more!
We need raise taxes for everyone, we need to pay for what we receive.
Now the thing you might like about acually paying for what we receive, the people would have a better idea of cost and might just send folks to Washington who will be less likely to spend our money frivolously.
Government is the name we have given to things we decide to do together.
We hade decided that its really best do some things together. Things like the Police, Fire Dept, Mail, roads, bridges, Education, FDA, Workmans Compensation, the Military, Coast Guard, Social Security, Air traffic controll, unemployment insurance, NTSB, Homeland Security, Medicare, Student Loans, Affordable health Care.................
Sean there are two choices, the American people can Vote in a Govenment who with close these programs, good luck with that........ or we can pay for them.
There are no other choices.
Cutting taxes only increased the interest on the debt and fooled the people into thinking that their taxes were enough to pay for all we want and more!
We need raise taxes for everyone, we need to pay for what we receive.
Now the thing you might like about acually paying for what we receive, the people would have a better idea of cost and might just send folks to Washington who will be less likely to spend our money frivolously.
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Tax as a percentage of GDP only shows that the US has a high GDP. The US still has the highest corporate tax rate in the world.
PolitiFact Texas | Michael McCaul says U.S. corporate tax rate is world
PolitiFact Texas | Michael McCaul says U.S. corporate tax rate is world
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Al,
Yes we do have a high Corporate tax rate...........................
A few thoughts.
(1) Yes its High, not the highest, but its high.
(2) 12 of the Worlds largest 24 Corporations are based in the United States, WHY?
(3) We have a huge country with a huge infrastructure, we have a massive Military expence. We have military spread all over the world, we spend more than the next 10 countries combined on the military. That costs money, but it buys influence, protects commerce (see point 2)
(3) Although our rate is high, its not that much higher than other large countries, plus we do a lot more than other countries:
2010 Effective Corporate Tax Rates
USA.............34.6%
Argentina......43.1%
Brazil............35.1%
Japan...........29.5%
Russia...........31.9%
Australia........26%
France..........34%
India.............33.6%
UK................27.9%
Al, we can either elect folks who will cut spending or we need to pay for what we spend, its that simple.
Yes we do have a high Corporate tax rate...........................
A few thoughts.
(1) Yes its High, not the highest, but its high.
(2) 12 of the Worlds largest 24 Corporations are based in the United States, WHY?
(3) We have a huge country with a huge infrastructure, we have a massive Military expence. We have military spread all over the world, we spend more than the next 10 countries combined on the military. That costs money, but it buys influence, protects commerce (see point 2)
(3) Although our rate is high, its not that much higher than other large countries, plus we do a lot more than other countries:
2010 Effective Corporate Tax Rates
USA.............34.6%
Argentina......43.1%
Brazil............35.1%
Japan...........29.5%
Russia...........31.9%
Australia........26%
France..........34%
India.............33.6%
UK................27.9%
Al, we can either elect folks who will cut spending or we need to pay for what we spend, its that simple.
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It makes my stomach turn and hurts my head when a military commander is refused combat gear he needs (budget, 'ya know) and is ordered to continue his mission without proper support and then gets fired for not using sufficient means (whatever that means) to protect his troops. Ditto for several others. All of these guy's had vocal objections to the Commander-in Chief's policy making. CLUE...
What do you mean by "we"? The "we" who are paying for these services don't want many of them or want many of them cut so they quit growing far faster than inflation (an unsustainable track under any circumstances). The "we" who are receiving the lionshare of the goods and services and especially the "we" who are receiving but paying little or no taxes (>50%) are more than happy to see the taxes raised on the "we" who are paying so they can get more for free. Your idea to raise taxes to pay for services is beyond ludicrous because you could tax the top 1% (who are paying 40% of all tax revenue as it is) at 100% and it wouldn't be enough to pay for the budget Lord Obama wants. Try again math wizard....
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Jack,
With all due respect, with a budget like this (in 2009) are you really saying that is not enough?
Perhaps they should look at just what they are spending the money on.
This sound alot like the crap that school Districts pull.
Here is how it goes down.........
Taxes decrease so a district is told to cut back 5%, OK do they perhaps combine two districts, cut back on "administrators"..............
No, they say OK no books!
That riles up the parents, how dare you cay their spending.....
This military thing sounds alot like that, sorry Jack, but you fell for it.
They have more than enough to keep the sharp end supplied and you know it, they are playing you!
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And yet even though you're aware of that, you constantly post poll after poll after poll as supportive 'proof' that your point of view is the 'correct' one!
Maybe now you see why I asked the question: "Where was the survey taken? Harlem?" (To be frank, I figured the FIRST THING out of your keyboard in reply to that would be, "Larry, you clearly are a RACIST!!!" Thanks for being bigger than that.)
I'm getting another headache...
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Larry L.;424495"Where was the survey taken? Harlem?" (To be frank said:
The CNN Poll was released today.
The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International, with 841 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
So Jack, let me see.......
No budget cuts means the front line guys get their equipment........
Sorry Jack, they are playing you.
Jack,
With all due respect, with a budget like this (in 2009) are you really saying that is not enough?
Perhaps they should look at just what they are spending the money on.
This sound alot like the crap that school Districts pull.
Here is how it goes down.........
Taxes decrease so a district is told to cut back 5%, OK do they perhaps combine two districts, cut back on "administrators"..............
No, they say OK no books!
That riles up the parents, how dare you cay their spending.....
This military thing sounds alot like that, sorry Jack, but you fell for it.
They have more than enough to keep the sharp end supplied and you know it, they are playing you!
So you are arguimg that the military budget is too big and savings should come there, is that it.
At least when we waste money on the military(and yes I agree a lot is waste) but at least waste on the military begats jobs in aerospace and manufacturing. Spend the same sums on social programs and the reality is you get little to nothing other than expense and more jobs lost.
Before you refute considder that in the UK the military budget has come down tot he point where a sea nation has harley any ships and a few fighter planes. The percentage goiung to social programs has increased yet the economy sucks.
Frankly yeah our military wastes money like all Gov departments. the F35 is a joke, in what war are we going to use it, a plane that costs 30k and hour to run for ground attack, or interdicting smuggling planes. But at least we get aerospace, enginers somehting. Yeah frankly we should spend less on military waste and more on nasa.
But you are deluded if you think you can give people money to self motivate, and more than anything sucess on whatever level you mreasure it, including upliftment comes from drive and ambition. People tend to discount that as a factor when trying to rectify what they see as social ills.
In any event an efficiently run governement could deliver all the same services includiung military for 30% less, its all just run by bozos on free or at least free to them money.
As to raising taxes, the ones paying more in taxes are the working upper middle class, while everybody else including the buffets, corps insurance companies gets a free pass.
For all their ills you should note that the derided tea party has an inordinate number of married couples with young chilldren as memebrs. Those who work, and I mean struggle, are tired of paying for gov easte, that includes military AND liberal feel good crap.
Look what O has done. Through bond buying by the fed those with capital ie the moneyed class and unions just got a free ride. Thise with savings just got bombed by 30% through real inflation, those who owe just got a 30% reduction in debt. Is that fair.
Now look at who loves Obabab care, why its your freindly insurance companies, they are chomping at the bit to rake it tin.
How about we lower the max tax rate to 25%, no more cap gains rate, no dofferent corp rate, oh yeah no loophoes and deductions. i bet you will hear Buffet and the insurance industry squeel then. Lets face debt si being taken on and being fed thorugh tax rate and loophole distortions to corps and Buffets class, while the working professionals who the president says we should aspire to be are being robbed with a real tax rate incl fed and state tot he tune of over 50% to pay for structuraly bankrupt programs the promise of which begats votes.
The whole system is f-ed up and will crash the question is when, and when it happens then there will be a gnashing of teeth and people will say they didnt realise.
What we need is the Gov we can afford, we cant have what we cant afford and robbing people of 50% of their earnings while others walk is not an equitable or sustainable system. One reason why its not sustainable is small buimess fits in that sectrum and it employs 50% of people, and most of the people with good wages. There aint a whole lot of sucessful small buisness in Europe, I mean why bother when there are easier ways to live.
Everybody is getting played, that si the point. Youa re getting played into believing that once again just a little more and social ills will be solved. Meanwhile there is an orgy on in washington.
marc
Lifetime Supporter
Do you really believe that China and Russia are paying the same wages and pensions that we do? Was that part of the calculation? What about the training that we do for other countries, that comes out of the same budget. What about the fact that alot of money goes to for military for other countries, is that part of the defense spending budget? Physically the size of Britain, Spain, France, etc.. compared to the US? Aussies dont count because the only worry about the amount of people and they are mostly on the coasts. No offense.Jack,
With all due respect, with a budget like this (in 2009) are you really saying that is not enough?
Perhaps they should look at just what they are spending the money on.
This sound alot like the crap that school Districts pull.
Here is how it goes down.........
Taxes decrease so a district is told to cut back 5%, OK do they perhaps combine two districts, cut back on "administrators"..............
No, they say OK no books!
That riles up the parents, how dare you cay their spending.....
This military thing sounds alot like that, sorry Jack, but you fell for it.
They have more than enough to keep the sharp end supplied and you know it, they are playing you!
For almost 70 years the US has been the peace keepers of the world. We have paid that burden to not get to where we are now by letting terrorists, pirates and indignant dictators destroy the world. You may have forgotten that. The world certainly has. And the way our current regime is moving it is isolating itself by COMINT that we have developed and used it publically.
There are countries that still have a mandatory draft at slave like wages to bolster their military. How bout a look at the spending per person that we enjoy over some of these other countries?
Yeah, but AGAIN, Jim...(1)What questions were asked? (2)HOW where they phrased?, and, (3) WHERE were these 841 people located? One can find pockets of rabid 'Obama rooters' in some 'liberal area' or another darned near anywhere.
"841" people doesn't seem to be a real meaningful 'sample' to me. (I've never heard of ORC, so I have no idea how unbiased they are/aren't/might be.)
Corporate tax rates for 2006 to 2013, US is the highest.
Corporate tax rates table | KPMG | GLOBAL
Corporate tax rates table | KPMG | GLOBAL
