Palestinians are all about piece right?
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Many ideas about what they want just non of it peaceful or were you asking a trick question? I have said it several times before THEY (the Palestinians) DO NOT WANT PEACE!!!! Israel keeps offering an olive branch only to have it thrown back at them. I am not going to post any of the news articles since most of you chose to hold on to your misguided views but review my past posts and notice the trend that I spoke about (before todays headline) and come to your own conclusions (although some of you really should read a book on the history of the region before posting in this thread because it is painfully obvious that MOST have no clue what they are talking about).
From your resident Mossad specialist (Joke I have no affiliation to them AT ALL). HI KEITH :thumbsup:
From your resident Mossad specialist (Joke I have no affiliation to them AT ALL). HI KEITH :thumbsup:
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Damian,
As I suspect I am one of the people who as you put it "have no clue what they are talking about". I will post what the BBC had to say about the offer.
To me the last paragraph is the most interesting one.
A senior Palestinian negotiator said the Palestinians had long ago recognised the state of Israel and that the real issue threatening the talks was illegal Jewish settlements on occupied land.
Wyre Davies BBC News, Jerusalem
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The swift rejection of this proposal by Palestinian negotiators would have come as little surprise to Benjamin Netanyahu.
He knew that no Palestinian official would, at least at this stage, agree to recognise Israel explicitly as a Jewish state.
This was a tactical gesture by an Israeli prime minister who has been shifting uncomfortably in the spotlight for several weeks as peace talks with the Palestinians have stagnated - and everyone was looking for him to make a move.
By offering a renewed building freeze in the settlements, with attached conditions, Mr Netanyahu is hoping that the spotlight will switch to the Palestinians.
Gambling that the tactic won't anger those in his own right-wing coalition who oppose the freeze, the key response now, will be that from the US.
Washington has been among those repeatedly calling on the Israel to extend the freeze.
If the Obama administration deduces that this is a genuine move on Israel's part, some pressure may have indeed been lifted from Mr Netanyahu's shoulders to those of Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.
Israel has occupied the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, since 1967, settling close to 500,000 Jews in more than 100 settlements.
There are about 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank, which the Palestinians see, along with East Jerusalem, as the basis of a future independent state.
The Jewish settlements in both territories are illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
O.K. here we go Netanyahu offers settlement freeze in return for recognition as Jewish state, Palestinians say no - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News Here are a few KEY NUGGETS for you:
However, Nabil Abu Rdainah, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said a return to U.S.-backed peace talks required a freeze on settlement building by Israel.
"The issue of the Jewishness of the state has nothing to do with the matter," Rdainah said. (Notice how they DO NOT COMMENT on the issue of the Jewish state so where is BBC getting it's info because it is not from Rdainah).
Notice the Palestinian response to Netanyahu's plea Netanyahu Proposes Palestinians New Settlement Freeze in Exchange for Recognition of Israel
This is also a great little nugget: "The Arab League convened in Libya recommended president Abbas to return to the indirect talks, but made it clear they would’t tell the Palestinian president what to do". (way to stand up for peace guys)
Stop relying on the BBC and go read a darn book or do some research that is a little more in depth than the BBC or two seconds on google (which shows more to my point than anything you have posted BTW)
However, Nabil Abu Rdainah, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said a return to U.S.-backed peace talks required a freeze on settlement building by Israel.
"The issue of the Jewishness of the state has nothing to do with the matter," Rdainah said. (Notice how they DO NOT COMMENT on the issue of the Jewish state so where is BBC getting it's info because it is not from Rdainah).
Notice the Palestinian response to Netanyahu's plea Netanyahu Proposes Palestinians New Settlement Freeze in Exchange for Recognition of Israel
This is also a great little nugget: "The Arab League convened in Libya recommended president Abbas to return to the indirect talks, but made it clear they would’t tell the Palestinian president what to do". (way to stand up for peace guys)
Stop relying on the BBC and go read a darn book or do some research that is a little more in depth than the BBC or two seconds on google (which shows more to my point than anything you have posted BTW)
Nick I posted VIDEO, and written articles from MULTIPLE SOURCES while you rely on the BBC 
laugh so sorry if I don't take anything you post to seriously since it is shallow at best. Funny how you have nothing to say about the video :squint: which kicked this whole thing off but yet you still try to argue your point (and yes you are one of those i count in that group). I do give you credit for sticking to your guns though (even if they are all jammed :laugh.
laugh so sorry if I don't take anything you post to seriously since it is shallow at best. Funny how you have nothing to say about the video :squint: which kicked this whole thing off but yet you still try to argue your point (and yes you are one of those i count in that group). I do give you credit for sticking to your guns though (even if they are all jammed :laugh.Something to notice in the articles I posted is that there is a GROWING MOVEMENT for Israel to lets just say NOT BE SO PEACEFUL in dealing with these people. It is only a matter of time before a leader with LESS PATIENCE comes to power and than NO MORE PALESTINIANS. It really might just HAVE to come down to this. They gave peace a chance and that has only blow up in their faces (multiple times) and while I am not a war monger I have to say that these people have a lot of pain OWED TO THEM!!!!! Remember guys that they are not fighting a war in the terms that some of you Birkenstock wearing hippies think they are. There is NO WAY TO DISCERN CIVILIAN FROM MILITANT!!! Just take another look at the video and tell me who the civilians are and who the combatants are? So in short now that Israel has put this forward where are all the posts about how active in the peace process the Palestinians are? Where are all of the posts about how great the Palestinian govt is doing in helping it's people live a war free life. NO WHERE BECAUSE THEY AREN'T. How about you guys post up JUST ONE example of the wonderful Palestinian govt initiating a peace talk or where they agree to WORK with Israel on attaining peace because it seems that Israel is the only one in this issue making an attempt to do the right thing.
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3 seconds on google this time.
Palestinians want to keep peace talks alive: Mitchell
Monday, October 4, 2010 00:28
Cairo (ANTARA News/AFP) - The Palestinians want peace talks with Israel to continue, US envoy George Mitchell said in Cairo on Sunday after the Palestine Liberation Organisation urged president Mahmud Abbas to quit the negotiations.
"Despite their differences, both the government of Israel and the Palestinian Authority have asked us to continue these discussions in an effort to establish the conditions under which they can continue direct negotiations,"
Mitchell told reporters after meeting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.
Who do you class as "these people" just terrorists, or as you can't tell the difference civilians, woman and children, and why do you think they have pain owed to them?
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This is a bit of the subject and written by a US conservative, but this is what Muslims want, which was discussed a bit earlier in this thread:
Sharia Laws Threat to Free Speech - HUMAN EVENTS
At days end, they want to control the world with Sharia, and the west to be under Sharia.
Sharia Laws Threat to Free Speech - HUMAN EVENTS
At days end, they want to control the world with Sharia, and the west to be under Sharia.
Found this to be an interesting article in Bloomberg/Business Week re the Palestinians refuse not only to accept the Jewish State but also reject any future claims against Israel.
Israel Building Freeze Terms Rejected by Palestinians - BusinessWeek
Do you blame the Israelis?
Israel Building Freeze Terms Rejected by Palestinians - BusinessWeek
Do you blame the Israelis?
U.S. State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley said in an e-mail. “Both sides need to take steps if we are going to move forward.”
Nick I posted VIDEO, and written articles from MULTIPLE SOURCES while you rely on the BBC
Damian,
The BBC is not perfect, but it certainly is as unbiased a reporting base as you will probably find in the world, and it deserves more credit than you have given it.
How many reporting services in the US are run for the people, by the people and not by private enterprise....
I'm not naive enough to think that the BBC is perfect, but in general their reporting of world affairs is balanced...
Hmmm...balanced... now there's a word I've used before...
Nick, I did a bit of brief searching yesterday and found that the Palestinians have rejected virtually everything the Israeli's have proposed from the time of Israel's statehood until today. The Arabs started all three wars, and lost all three wars.
Israel has made numerous proposals, sure they built settlements in the West Bank which I opposed years ago, but given the history, Israel wants peace and security. Do you blame them?
Regarding the American comment, its just hype. Ain't going to happen. No matter what Israel proposes (again I am not Jewish but with a huge desire to see peace in that corner of the world), the Palestinians will reject any new proposal.
I believe that the Palestinians want to declare Israel an Islamic state.
Israel has made numerous proposals, sure they built settlements in the West Bank which I opposed years ago, but given the history, Israel wants peace and security. Do you blame them?
Regarding the American comment, its just hype. Ain't going to happen. No matter what Israel proposes (again I am not Jewish but with a huge desire to see peace in that corner of the world), the Palestinians will reject any new proposal.
I believe that the Palestinians want to declare Israel an Islamic state.
Domtoni,
I believe we need to seperate normal civilians and their politicians and leaders. Does everyone in the US believe in their politicans or president's policies, or what they say or do.
Now some will come back and say but they voted for Hamas they "deserve the pain" but what about those who didn't vote for them do they deserve the pain as well
Devils advocate hat on. Do you agree with everything Obama says or does, can I hold you responsible for everything said by Obama, after all "you" voted him in, so you "deserve the pain"?
I'm loathe to quote the bible but, "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin." If that's good enough for God it's good enough for me.
I will admit I am not an expert on the Middle East, but "I know what I like and I like what I bloody well know", as I understand it the PLO were in charge in Palestine.
Quote on the PLO sorry to shout but these things can get lost in the rambling
"BY 1988, ARAFAT HAD TAKEN THE DIPLOMATIC ROAD ONE STEP FURTHER WHEN HE NOT ONLY ANNOUNCED THE RIGHT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL TO EXISTS BUT RENOUNCED PLO TERRORISM"
So you have to ask yourself what made enough of the population change their minds and vote in Hamas.
Was it the upholding of international law by the Israel government, the peace love empathy restraint humane fair treatment and understanding shown to them by the government of Israel and its army?.
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Catch this Nick:
Does Fatah recognize Israel's right to exist? - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
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Dom
Does Fatah recognize Israel's right to exist? - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
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Dom
Domtoni,
Caught it but call me doubting Thomas it is one man's recollection of a conversation he had, pure hearsay evidence. My quote was documented evidence straight from the horses mouth so to speak.
But this is getting a bit like the Life of Brian and what have the Romans every done for us ie
"JUST ONE example of the wonderful Palestinian govt initiating a peace talk or where they agree to WORK with Israel on attaining peace ",
alestinians want to keep peace talks alive: Mitchell "Funny how you have nothing to say about the video" : Palestinian violence is wrong, but that don't make Israeli violence ok.
"I believe that the Palestinians want to declare Israel an Islamic state." : "BY 1988, ARAFAT HAD TAKEN THE DIPLOMATIC ROAD ONE STEP FURTHER WHEN HE NOT ONLY ANNOUNCED THE RIGHT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL TO EXISTS BUT RENOUNCED PLO TERRORISM"
To me it is not far from:-
Reg: We're giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State and if he doesn't agree immediately we execute her.
Matthias: Cut her head off?
Francis: Cut all her bits off, send 'em back every hour on the hour... show him we're not to be trifled with.
Reg: Also, we're demanding a ten foot mahogany statue of the Emperor Julius Caesar with his cock hanging out.
Stan: What? They'll never agree to that, Reg.
Reg: That's just a bargaining counter. And of course, we point out that they bear full responsibility when we chop her up, and... that we shall not submit to blackmail.
Omnes: (Applause) No blackmail!
Reg: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers.
Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
Reg: Yes.
Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.
Reg: All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?
Xerxes: The aqueduct.
Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.
Masked Activist: And the sanitation!
Stan: Oh yes... sanitation, Reg, you remember what the city used to be like.
Reg: All right, I'll grant you that the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done...
Matthias: And the roads...
Reg: (sharply) Well yes obviously the roads... the roads go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, the sanitation and the roads...
Another Masked Activist: Irrigation...
Other Masked Voices: Medicine... Education... Health...
Reg: Yes... all right, fair enough...
Activist Near Front: And the wine...
Omnes: Oh yes! True!
Francis: Yeah. That's something we'd really miss if the Romans left, Reg.
Masked Activist at Back: Public baths!
Stan: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.
Francis: Yes, they certainly know how to keep order... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this.
(more general murmurs of agreement)
Reg: All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
Xerxes: Brought peace!
Reg: (very angry, he's not having a good meeting at all) What!? Oh... (scornfully) Peace, yes... shut up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
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Nick, I went through your old posts a few days ago, and couldn't find any video link.
All violence is wrong, but if you throw rocks, expect to get run over by a bull dozer. Force usually wins, and we all know how the Israeli's want peace.
The Palestinians are not the PLO, and Hamas and Hezbollah in Lebanon now rule.
Israel, Palestinians Want Peace Talks, Mitchell Says - BusinessWeek
Take a look at the comment about Hamas, not being part of the PLO. Hamas is listed as a violent organization with no PLO ties.
Simply put, I don't think the Palestinians in this case want peace. If muslims wanted peace, they would put pressure on their brothers to stop the attacks.
All violence is wrong, but if you throw rocks, expect to get run over by a bull dozer. Force usually wins, and we all know how the Israeli's want peace.
The Palestinians are not the PLO, and Hamas and Hezbollah in Lebanon now rule.
Israel, Palestinians Want Peace Talks, Mitchell Says - BusinessWeek
Take a look at the comment about Hamas, not being part of the PLO. Hamas is listed as a violent organization with no PLO ties.
Simply put, I don't think the Palestinians in this case want peace. If muslims wanted peace, they would put pressure on their brothers to stop the attacks.
Domtoni,
Which Palestinians don't want peace, all of them ? did force win in Korea, Vietnam Afghanistan Iraq etc etc etc
"what about those who didn't vote for them do they deserve the pain as well"
Does that not work both ways if you run me over with a bull dozer expect to get rocks thrown at you.
Seems a bit sledgehammer to crack a nut to me, can't think of many cases where a stone has inflicted pain on a bull dozer and I am supposed to believe that the bull dozers are restrained peace lovers.
Tell you what we will settle our argument on this thread with a fair fight you bring rocks I'll bring a bull dozer, after all your side started the argument on this thread. OJ.
regards
Nick
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Domtoni
Would you say there are at least 2-3% of radicals in the USA that don't want peace with the Muslims / Palestinians.
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