Palestinians are all about piece right?
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Domtoni,
Not sure of your point.
Would you say there are at least 2-3% of radicals in the USA that don't want peace with the Muslims / Palestinians.
Domtoni,
Really, all of them?
What percentage of non Muslim American citizens don't want Peace with the Muslim / Palestinians i.e. the "nuke them all brigade"
Probably more importantly, what percentage of radical Israeli citizens would you say don't want Peace with the Muslim / Palestinians
I think the Yanks and the Israelis just want to put this behind them, live their lives in peace. All of them. But both populations, just like the Brits when backed into a corner, are coming out fighting.
I am still not sure what your point is?
To reinforce my own, here is a clip that you may find interesting:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101014/D9IRD4000.html
I am still not sure what your point is?
To reinforce my own, here is a clip that you may find interesting:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101014/D9IRD4000.html
Nick, you're talking about 2% of 1.5 billion, or roughly 30 million radical muslims. There are only 12 million or so Jews in Israel.
Domtoni,
Sorry you feel that way, perhaps your not answering my question makes my point for me.
Let's say for argument sake that it's the same percentage, 2% of Israelis are radical, that would be 240k, a bit of a stretch to 30 million. I wasn't home Jim, that's why I didn't answer. It was far less confrontational when you were sleeping. or whatever you were doing.
Al nice try.
This thread has been all about Palestinians and Israelis. As I don’t know how you would estimate the number of other extremists around the world that support Israel, lets not muddy the waters at this point.
Let me state again categorically I despise the extremists on both sides they are as evil as each other, I suport those on both sides who want peace. I am just trying to show how you can get a distorted unbalanced view of things.
So using your figures, on one side of the divide in Israel we have 240,000 Israeli extremists who do not want peace at any cost 2% of the population. On the other in Palestine we have 80,000 Palestinian extremists who do not want peace at any cost 2% of the 4 million population.
Playing Devils advocate
The argument posted on this thread many times is that the Israelis are provoked by the Palestinian extremists, and therefore their actions are justified. Using the figures you have provided there are actually 3 times more Israelis provoking Palestinians than Palestinians provoking Israelis, food for thought perhaps?.
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There are about 6-7 million in Israel and 20% of that population is not Jewish and so the percentage of radical elements is hard to estimate for any group. However, with wrong figures to begin with than one may rightly assume all figures lack any merit.
From the beginning I thought this would get no where and this use of incorrect or guessed numbers makes it more likely the subject is opinion more than factual.
Mort
From the beginning I thought this would get no where and this use of incorrect or guessed numbers makes it more likely the subject is opinion more than factual.
Mort
Nick, You are the one that brought the muslims in with "Probably more importantly, what percentage of radical Israeli citizens would you say don't want Peace with the Muslim / Palestinians" Sorry if I misunderstood you.
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Nick, and Jim C., please note I was playing by Nick's rules, and hence I chose to not answer yours. Mort hit the issue head on, its useless to make up statistics and try to defend or refute them.
This is good for an overview to how this discussion has gone. Sorry but its with Bill O'Reilly of Fox and the ladies from the View, and deals with the Mosque issue.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4374058/president-obama-muslims-the-view-ladies-and-me/?playlist_id=87485
This is good for an overview to how this discussion has gone. Sorry but its with Bill O'Reilly of Fox and the ladies from the View, and deals with the Mosque issue.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4374058/president-obama-muslims-the-view-ladies-and-me/?playlist_id=87485
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With the greatest respect I am not sure what rules of mine you were playing by. Unless you can prove me wrong I’m fairly sure the first post mentioning a percentage figure was yours
At this point because you had stated a percentage, I started asking what percentage of radical Israelis you thought there were.
It took a bit of time but in the end Al put the figure at 2-3%.
I agree with Mort, at times it did seem pointless, however I do feel underneath it all I have achieved what I set out to do.
Both yourself and Al appear to have conceded that there are Israeli radicals that do not want peace.
So with the concession that there are both Israeli and Palestinians that don't want peace isn’t it time the title of the thread was changed ?
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Nick,
Thanks for your post, but my 2-3% figure refers to Palestinian / Arab / Muslim radicals. I firmly believe that no Israeli / Jewish radical would exist if it were not for the threat against Israel. Jewish settlers are known to carry arms in Jerusalem basically to protect themselves against attacks from Palestinians.
I have been to Israel twice in the mid-1980s, once for tourism and the second to visit a customer. The first visit was from a Christian Arab perspective the second a Jewish. After my tourist visit, I came away in support of the Palestinians. I have only recently moved my support away from the Palestinians (Christians are moving out because of the problems with Muslims) because of the violence we see by muslims everywhere else in the world. The guy who got me into the nutso career almost 40 years ago has a house in Tiberias and I just may go and spend a few weeks there during the winter. I can then give you my impressions of Israel at that time.
The rules that I noted above were the non response by yourself to my questions. Sometimes its better that we just drop our point instead of furthering any anger or bitterness. We are just expressing our opinions, and as axxx holes, we all have them.
Thanks for your post, but my 2-3% figure refers to Palestinian / Arab / Muslim radicals. I firmly believe that no Israeli / Jewish radical would exist if it were not for the threat against Israel. Jewish settlers are known to carry arms in Jerusalem basically to protect themselves against attacks from Palestinians.
I have been to Israel twice in the mid-1980s, once for tourism and the second to visit a customer. The first visit was from a Christian Arab perspective the second a Jewish. After my tourist visit, I came away in support of the Palestinians. I have only recently moved my support away from the Palestinians (Christians are moving out because of the problems with Muslims) because of the violence we see by muslims everywhere else in the world. The guy who got me into the nutso career almost 40 years ago has a house in Tiberias and I just may go and spend a few weeks there during the winter. I can then give you my impressions of Israel at that time.
The rules that I noted above were the non response by yourself to my questions. Sometimes its better that we just drop our point instead of furthering any anger or bitterness. We are just expressing our opinions, and as axxx holes, we all have them.
Nick, The Israeli's are not attacking the Palestinians, they are retaliating. The Palestinians have suicide bombers, rocket and mortar attacks that they use against the Israelis, the Israelis retaliate. If the Palestinians stopped the attacks, it would probably go far to make peace possible. I think the Israelis have been very good at not going nuts after all these years of attacks. You can't expect someone to be nice to you if slap him in the head every time he turns around, and you can't be surprised when he beats on you after every slap.
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