Power steering

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Has anyone used electric power steering and if so how difficult was the installation? I have had a total shoulder replacement and although the gt40 is a breeze while underway it it a pain (literally) to park.
 
Pete,

Some Honda's apparently have this fitted, I have no idea which model or whether it could be retrofitted to your car.

Another possibility would be a steering quickener such as 'Howe-Afco' but used back to front in your application to increase the no of turns lock to lock, although I dont think thats what you are after.

Jac Mac
 
I saw an ad the other day form Flaming River that they now are offering the electric unit. Haven't quizzed them on price yet, but is probably just what you want. Supposedly it senses the effort requiredd to make the turn and then kicks in on the assist, so it isn't operating all the time, just when needed like at low speeds. Check it out and let us know what you think about it. It seems like just the thing for our cars. Get a power unit, stip it down,leave the power off on install and put in the electric unit. Then have the best of both worlds, quick unit at speed and help in the parking lot!!

Bill
 

Ian Anderson

Lifetime Supporter
Fiat Punto runs an electric unit and has 2 settings

They call it the "Girlie button"

Pete - you should have gone for the bionic option!

Ian
 
Pete
Has anyone used electric power steering and if so how difficult was the installation? I have had a total shoulder replacement and although the gt40 is a breeze while underway it it a pain (literally) to park.

The unit will not be difficult to install, however it may be difficult to retrofit. As far as the button is concerned, it is the "Pass you with ease on apex of corner" button LOL

The technology is still maturing, however will be funded and accepted for installation on FORD products.
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/11/07/147605.html
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto/chsteer/steering/electric/eps/
http://www.tmcnet.com/scripts/print-page.aspx?PagePrint=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tmcnet.com%2Fusubmit%2F2005%2Fjan%2F1111918.htm
best
 
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Fiat Punto / Bravo / Brava Electric Power steering pump collumn with ECU:
This remanufactured Electric power steering pump is only £175 & comes with an unlimited mileage 2 year warranty, you only get a 6 month warranty with one from Fiat so you are really getting a very good bargain here.
http://www.fiatgroup.com/home.php?lang=en
http://www.fiatgroup.com/main.php?w=XEV3EX91XRJGHZQ1R8TI&tl=Gruppo%20Fiat&gs=Corporate%20structure

well
can you tell the difference ???
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto/chsteer/steering/electric/eps/
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto/chsteer/steering/electric/active/
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto/chsteer/steering/electric/quadrasteer/

which one is best ???
 

Ian Anderson

Lifetime Supporter
I quite like the idea of the Fiat one with no Hydraulic - all Electric stuff and all on the steering column - no need to modify the rack and perhaps cause bump steer etc.

I believe Delphi make the units . made the originals bu as with everything on cars probably made in China / India now!

No doubt other cars use a similar systems and others use hydraulics - choice is Pete's

Ian
 
LOL Ian

I would also
However note the word PUMP which means fluid in this case. It is hydraulic

Fiat Punto / Bravo / Brava Electric Power steering pump collumn with ECU:
This remanufactured Electric power steering pump is only £175 & comes with an unlimited mileage 2 year warranty, you only get a 6 month warranty with one from Fiat so you are really getting a very good bargain here.

so this is the system or very much like it depending on the pump motor controller attached.
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto...ectric/active/
showa from Japan also makes excellent setups for the nsx no fluid!
Like
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto.../electric/eps/
yes copied from showa!

best
 
Yep cool

however still not tuned noting;
Adjustable potentiometer to simulate variable speed sensitivity.
Wheelspeed input can be added to make system speed sensitive.

It is DC analog servo with worm spur gear drive. The drawback it is not a digital control as in stepper or the like in Pulse level and Frequency it is voltage and current best I can tell.

I have not driven a car with electric steering, however my plane has a pneumatic analog autopilot, the feedback is not like driving, there is none except for vestibular.

I have used in robot control both stepper and servo. Stepper is much better for fine control and tuning. Servo can do much more as in torque heavy load values yet much harder to tune with analog technlogy.

best

Products - Electronic Power Steering

DC Electronics have developed a fully integrated stand alone power steering system for both competition and road use.

Benefits:
  • Small compact unit, requires only a battery connection to work.
  • No messy hydraulic connections or systems to bleed.
  • Weight saving advantage over hydraulic systems.
  • Reduced mechanical drag on engine compared to hydraulic engine driven pumps.
  • Adjustable potentiometer to simulate variable speed sensitivity.
  • Wheelspeed input can be added to make system speed sensitive.
  • Built in fail-safe which allows the system to revert back to the conventional steering
    in the unlikely event of a fault occurring.
How it Works:

The system replaces the existing steering column.

An electric motor and torque sensor are fitted in-line with the steering column. The torque sensor monitors the amount of force applied by the steering wheel. This signal is then fed into the EPAS ECU where a calculation is made allowing for the off-set from the variable potentiometer. The appropriate amount of assistance is then delivered by the motor to power the steering rack.
 

Ian Anderson

Lifetime Supporter
Pete

I have a Punto and hate the steering as too powered - best feel was when the engine died and I was towed to a garage.

BUT way i see it is leave your system as it is and have a switch to turn on the power when parking only - best of both???

Ian
 
Pete
I have seen some Subaru cars fitted with the electric pump. It is an on demand thing, only runs when needed, and is pretty compact. I have driven one with this setup and it doesen't lighten up the steering much, although they are all front drivers and I would assume a different feel with a rear driver. I would think with a little enginuity the pump could be made to cut out at lets say 5 mph or so eliminating any lighter than normal feel at speed.
Cheers
Phil
 
I've driven an S2000 Honda which has an electric power steering rack. It feels really nice but probably wouldn't fit on a GT40 as it's pretty bulky, the center rack case tube is like 4" diameter. It's a pretty complex system with it's own control unit and tied into the speed sensor through the main ECU.
 
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