Worrying..

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
There should be a universal law that outlaws "hobby" drones and most drones in general within "X" distance of all airports.
 

Mike

Lifetime Supporter
There should be a law that bans stupid people but we would never have enough prison space.
 

Keith

Moderator
I have no doubt there is adequate legislation but that doesn't stop the dickheads. We have had to ban 'Chinese Lanterns' for the same reason, but it won't stop dickheads until there is a major incident...
 
Lots of misleading information here. I have been involved in flying RC aircraft since the 80's. Only recently have built my first Quad-Copter. (some might call a drone). I don't fly anywhere near airports, or beyond visual range (FPV).
Sales of drones have increased rapidly, with UK sales running at a rate of between 1,000 and 2,000 every month.
Vast majority of these are the little 'radio shack' version for flying indoors, or in your back yard. Calling these "drones" is kind of silly.

They are expected to be very popular as Christmas presents.
They cost as little as £35 for a smaller model - more advanced drones capable of carrying a high definition camera and travelling at 45 miles per hour cost almost £3,000.

You can actually get a decent small Quad for $29 (usd) now, but you would be hard pressed to fly this more than 24ft away before you cannot see it. For $4,000, you could build a low tech FPV Quad or airframe, but you would have very limited range / flight time. And in the US, you need a liscense to broadcast the video signal.

Only a very small minority of people operating drones have attended training courses in how to fly them.

So what! I have not read anything saying that it was pilot competence that was causing the issue. Thats like saying we should all have ASE certification before we can build or drive our home built, or modded cars. It's apparently a lack of judgement, maturity, accountability etc.

Most of what this article is referring to has nothing to do with a "Drone" that could present any threat to aircraft flying at a safe altitude. 1,000x2,000 bubble vs the highest ground obstacle. Once again, this has nothing to do with airports. Flying ANY RC, experamental or RC aircraft near an airport is just stupid and should earn you a few nights in the pokey as well as a throrough 'interview' with homeland security.

I get the danger that some idiots are creating by flying near airports, and BVR. At some point, there will probably need to be some certification, requiring Transponders visible to the FAA to warn pilots when an ACTUAL Drone is in the area.
 

Keith

Moderator
So that'll be OK then. We just sit and wait until someone flies one into an engine.

UK newspapers report these things appearing on a daily basis, so there's no cause for concern.

Like the laser pens..
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Mark:

I think we can agree that most of us have no issue with calling any aircraft that doesn't have an actual pilot aboard a "drone". What have traditionally been called "radio-controlled model airplanes" are ALL "drones"...'always have been...we just didn't call 'em that 'back in the day' because that term hadn't been applied to anything but a certain type of bee (and it meant something totally different in that context)!

Traditional R/C model planes pose the same risk to full-size planes as today's Quad-Copter "drones". 'Always have. And yet, I don't recall anybody ever raising an alarm about those posing a risk to their big brothers. :shrug:

Odd, innit?
 

Keith

Moderator
Simple answer to that Larry, is that the "money shot" for the new breed of drone is the ability to hover & the camera carrying capability.

Didn't you know we are a nation of voyeurs? On an average day, in any British city, you can be caught on over 300 CCTV cameras...

We're awash with them, and that's what these "drones" are used for...
 
I never said that nothing should be done about it. As amatter of fact, I said:
Flying ANY RC, experamental or RC aircraft near an airport is just stupid and should earn you a few nights in the pokey as well as a throrough 'interview' with homeland security.

What drives me nuts, is people blowing things out of proportion amd exagerating the issue with false data. There simply are no 1,000 to 2,000 drones per month being sold that are capable of getting anywhere near an aircraft flying at >1,000ft. The vast majority of these "drones" are little toys that sell fro $29 to $129 and pose NO danger to civil or comercial aviation.

And as far as flying near airports: Like I said.. Lock em up! Or develop some electronics to brown-out their signal and they will just drop from the sky like a dead bird!

The laser pointer issue is not a good comparison. Any dork with $5 can buy a laser pointer and create a malicious hazard to a pilot/plane. If you get caught, toss the pointer into the neares bush and play dumb. You really need some cash, equipment and some know-how to create a real hazard with a "drone". And you have a far greater risk of getting caught. And your drone probably has your finger prints all over it.

People have been putting cameras on r/c aircraft for years. So whats changed? The electronics to create FPV drones was become relaticely cheap. With the popularity of this starting to grow, a few wingnuts are likely to happen.

Keep in mind, the R/C hobby crowd is already talking about this. The last thing they (we) want is more government regulation making it hard for the law abiding public to have fun. And make no mistake, the law abiding responsible folks are the only ones that would be deterred by said legislation.
 
I have no doubt there is adequate legislation but that doesn't stop the dickheads. We have had to ban 'Chinese Lanterns' for the same reason, but it won't stop dickheads until there is a major incident...

Hi Keith,

I believe some councils / trading standards bodies have taken limited action but the bloody things are still legal & on sale.

The government position at the moment is to direct people to abide by CAA CAP 736 Operation of Directed Light, Fireworks, Toy Balloons and Sky Lanterns within UK Airspace.
That must happen all the time..............

Regards Steve
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
....Or develop some electronics to brown-out their signal and they will just drop from the sky like a dead bird!

Doesn't that technology already exist? :shrug:

For instance, I believe Air Force One has had that capability for decades (and a boatload of others as well).
 
Hi Keith,

I believe some councils / trading standards bodies have taken limited action but the bloody things are still legal & on sale.

...

There are plenty of people that think driving a car capable of 180+mph getting <40 mpg is a menace to society, ....and the earth.

....and yet the 'bloody' cars like we enjoy are "still legal & on sale".

Be carful what kind things you empower your govt to "correct".
 

Keith

Moderator
I had the insane idea that the rise in the availability and sales of these RC drones, would be matched with an equal hike in the sale of air rifles and high power BB guns! In the countryside however, I believe there are quite enough 12 gauges around to do the job...;)
 
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