Original bits?

[Guest]

I know some people aren't too hung up on authenticity, and that's fine. People should build what they want. For others, however, authenticity is a big factor, and I've noticed over time a number of queries regarding what parts came from which donor car. With over 600 people on the forum now we should be able to get some authoritative answers. Perhaps it's time to add a seperate thread? Anyway, here are my contributions, and I will not be offended if I've got some of them wrong and someone corrects me - that's what this is all about. Anyone with more knowledge, please fill in the gaps, or add to the list.

MKI Tail lights - Simca 1000
MKII Tail ligts - '63 Chev Corvair
MKI Indicator lights - Austin A30
Demister grille - MKIII Zephyr
Handbrake lever - 105E Anglia
Washer bottle - Rover 2000/Triumph 2000
Washer nozzle - Rover 3L
Wiper Motor - MKIII Zephyr, Rover 3L (Boeing 707 on some MKII's and MK IV)
Wiper rack and wheelbox - MKII Jaguar
Wiper arm - Triumph 2500 MKII
Door Latches - MK VII Jaguar or MKI Ford Escort
Some Smiths gagues were used in Cortina GT and Lotus Cortina.
Rear view mirror - Rover 3L, Rover 2000
Fliud reservoirs - Early Austin?
Eyeball vents - Escort or Cortina?
Rocker switches (MKIII) - ?
Toggle switches - MKI & MK II - ?
Indicator lever - ?
etc, etc, etc.

 

Good thread Brian

Indicator switch = early MGB or Mini
Outer door lock = Rover 2000
Interior mirror = MK 2 Jag or XKE.
Rear Licence plate lights = Triumph TR3 / TR4
GT40MK111 Over-riders (Bumpers )= ?????
MK111 Steering rack = MGB
Body Latches = Hartwell Co. Lynx Helicopter and other aircraft including the Jumbo.
Flywheel ring gear = 115 tooth Austin A35 or A40

 

[Hershal Byrd]

Brain,
Absolutly brilliant thread! I must admit
my ignorance on the Parts of this cars. This is a wealth of helpful info that undoubtly will help many in the future for finding replacements. I Sure hope that others follow suit and add to the list. I for one will be printing this for future reference.

Thanks again!

Hersh

 

Front Ball joints = Commer van

 

[Ron Earp]

I will make a FAQ and place this thread into that catagory. Articles are welcome in the FAQ too, but I will monitor it closely and kick out anything not very important for that area.

R

 

[Frank Catt]

I am sorry but I think that the above lists are doubtfull for original parts, some of the donor vehicles suggested did not exist in the time frame alone. I fully agree that a difinitive list of parts would be of great interest and help, but it must be right. Of course, like a lot of other similar cars built in that era, they used what parts were available at the time, and often no two cars were exactly the same, but there will become a consensus as the list evolves. BTW, the interior mirror on most cars was Aston Martin. Frank

 

Brian,

Excelent! Excelent! Excelent!
What about other mechanical parts?, eg, water pumps, brakes, steering column, etc.

This information will be of great value to the people that plan to build a mild street car, from standard parts available in the junk jards instead of highperformance-special ones.

This list has been compiled by Ken Saunders and I took it from http://www.gt40club.clara.net/technics.htm#Parts so his is the credit.Is intended to provide help to source parts for those building the KVA Ford GT40 replica and will probably be of use to those building other kits.

Please, fell free to add or correct anything, as we all know that there is more than one source for everything.

Rear fog lights (Shaped to fit rear valance) Lex Ford Part No: FD1595784
Front side lights and/or rear reversing lights Unipart Part No: GAL167A
Front headlights Renault 12 - no side light fitted
Escort - Includes side light but a bit narrow for GT40
Fiesta Mk2 - Includes side light but not quite square
Rear tail,stop and turn light units - Fiat 850S
Leather covering for dash panel etc - Upholsterers
Steering Rack Ford Cortina - will probably need 1/2" cut off each end.(Best)
Ford Escort - needs extending.
Front uprights, hubs, disks and calipers. Ford Granada Mk 2. or specailist supplier
Suggest that better brakes are fitted ~12inch diameter four pots. (AP Racing or Wilwood)
Rear hubs, disks and calipers Ford Granada Scorpio or specialist supplier.
Suggest that better brakes are fitted ~ 12inch diameter four pots.(AP Racing or Wilwood)
Steering column (telescopic) Triumph Dolomite + Universal joints - Ford
Drive Shafts Ford Granada or Modified Granada Scorpio. These are usually fitted with Ford CV to Renault transaxle adaptors from Tag Automotive and various other sources - around £55 ea.
Flywheel Ford V6 3.0 ..... not 2.8.....must have counterbalancing.(121 tooth)
The flywheel need re-drilling to suit the V8 crankshaft and togther with the crankshaft, rods, pistons and clutch will require dynamic balancing.
Clutch - Depends on power output - Renault 21/25 turbo up to about 200BHP
AP Racing CP2394-14 clutch cover. CP2583 Drive Plate with Renault 21 spline
centre. CP3457-2 Thrust Race.
Gearchange mechanism - Rod linkage with two universal joints running through rose joints similar to that used on the original GT40 is best.
Sequential system available at around £1,100..plus from Selexy International.
Exhaust system - Local exhaust centre or specialist supplier - Len Hartley
Developements are original supplier who can still provide systems at around œ1,000
Fuel Pumps (2 Off )- Facit red top - many sources must be mounted at least at 30 degree incline or best vertical.
Transaxle - Renault 20, 21, 25, 30, GTA or Alpine. - Citreon or Audi - Renault 21
for higher power use Porsche 930 or G50 transaxle or Hewland
Automatic gearboxes - Audi 2.2 litre 5 cylinder front wheel drive.
Renault 21 Turbo is the favoured unit as it has the 3.44:1 differential and is cheapest to obtain.
Radiator - approximately 24" x 12"(15" Maximum)
Brake fluid - Castrol Super Disk DOT5 grade recommended
Door lock mechanisms - Triumph 1500 or Sprint
Starter dog assembly : Part Number : 54-021 Starter drive assembly.
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Regards,

Javier

[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: Javier Jose ]

 

[Guest]

Point taken Frank. The eyeball vents, for example, can't have been from the Escort as the MK I Escort didn't have eyeballs, only the MK II. They therefore must be from the MKI Cortina, or possibly the MK II Cortina?

The list supplied by Javier (from Ken Saunders) applies to GTD/KVA kits and as such does not really reflect original items in many cases. It is, however, a useful list for all kit builders.

Indicator lights on MK III - MG 1100

 

[Guest]

I agree with Frank.The Xavier/Saunders list is far from correct for many items but will get you on the road.
Tempus Fugit is the problem for many who try to source original parts and the number of 40s being produced now far outstrips the original pieces still surviving!!
Frank is correct about the interior mirror being in Astons but it is the same as the Jaguar.The critical point is the support stem which was bonded to the windscreen and not to the roof.
Regards to all.
GTA.

 

[M.B]

Very few parts was used, as is from "other cars".
the majority was used from special orders.
But of course a lot of the same suppliers were used.
On special orders.
At time, design or parts were of course used to make up a GT40 part.
As they were to be specific and expensive.
And of very latest spec..

The whole, at least the majority of the british car industry got their parts from about the same suppliers.
If not in house.
(sold abroad as well...)
These were often choosen from the range of the supplier.
Or were ordered, but many parts fit´s a lot of different cars.
Many parts were related...

But the GT programme also got smaller companies building them parts, wich quite often were not even connected to car industry etc...(as a supplier..)

But many parts looks similiar and can be used or even altered.
Happy hunting !

 

Gentlemen, this is the deal:

If you send me the source of any part for the GT40, does not matter if they are original or not, I will compile them in a nice way (excel or access) so we can create a database of reference very useful for anyone.

Best regards,

Javier

 

[Frank Catt]

Great Paul, now tell us how many of these companies still exist! Frank

 

[Paul Bearman]

Probably very few.
Most of these companies are British, who can tell us those that are not? A Blue Peter badge for the first correct answer!!!!

Regards, Paul.

 

[Paul Bearman]

For info, here is a list of original suppliers:

Monocoque chassis: Abbey panels Ltd
Fibreglass parts: Specialised Mouldings Ltd
Gauges: Smiths motor accessories Ltd
Electrics: Joseph Lucas Ltd
Headlamps: Cibie
Carbs: Edoardo Weber
Exhaust: V.W. Derrington Ltd
Plugs: Autolite division, Ford Company
Suspension: Southwest (Bearings) Products
Shafter (bearings) Ltd
Shock absorbers: Armstrong Patents Co Ltd
Springs: Tempered springs Ltd
Wheel bearings: Timken Roller Bearing Co
Steering rack: Cam Gears Ltd
Transaxle: Gear Speed Developments Ltd
ZF
Clutch: Borg and Beck
Brakes: Girling Ltd
Brake linings: Ferodo Ltd
Wheels: Costruzioni Mecchaniche
Tyres: Dunlop Rubber Co
Cooling system: Serck Radiator services Ltd
Fuel system: Goodyear Tyre & Rubber Co
Fuel pumps: Bendix
Eclipse Machine Corp
Battery: Autolite Division,Ford Motor Co
Drive shafts: B.R.D Co Ltd
Inboard couplings: Metalastic Ltd
Castings: Sterling Metals Ltd
Bearings: Rose Bros
Ina Needle Bearings Ltd
Bushes: Glacier Metal Co Ltd
Perspex parts: Suntex Saftey Glass Inds Ltd
Glass parts: Tudor Saftey Glass Co Ltd
Small springs: Doig Springs & Eng Co Ltd
Tube work: Arch Motor & Mfg Co Ltd
Body hardware: Wilmot Breeden Ltd
Machined parts: A.P.A Tool & Eng Co Ltd
Ascott Precision Tool Co Ltd
E. Matthews Eng Co Ltd
Special Steels: Aircraft Materials Ltd
Rubber bushes: Silentbloc Ltd
Rubber springs: Aeon Products Ltd
Rubber body parts: C.O.H Bains Ltd
Starter rings: Frances B Wilmot Ltd
Hoses: Hesco Ltd
Lockheed Precision Products
Seals: Nilos Rings
Clips: Seeger-Orbis Gmbh

Hope this is of some interest.

Regards, Paul.

 

[Frank Catt]

At least one of the companies Paul lists, and who supplied Ford Advanced Vehicles in Slough where the original cars were built, is C O H Baines and Co. which is owned and run by GTD owner Robin Batt, and the company still produce the same rubber mouldings as supplied to FAV in the 60s

 

[Guest]

""Most of these companies are British, who can tell us those that are not?""

just hip shooting here

Plugs: Autolite division, Ford Company

Wheel bearings: Timken Roller Bearing Co

Wheels: Costruzioni Mecchaniche
US Halibrands on the two Ford Lemans wins
British? BRM's on the two Gulf Lemans wins

Tyres: Dunlop Rubber Co
Goodyear's first 3 Lemans wins,
Firestone 4th Lemans win

Fuel system: Goodyear Tyre & Rubber Co

Fuel pumps: Bendix

Eclipse Machine Corp

Battery: Autolite Division,Ford Motor Co

Lockheed Precision Products

oh and one big bit you forgot to mention, the US Ford 289 and 427

I'm sure if you looked at US assembled/refit cars like Shelby and Holman/Moody you would probably find more US bits.

[ October 20, 2002: Message edited by: Kalun D ]

 

[Jim Rosenthal]

I thought the fuel pumps were made by Stewart-Warner, which is not a British company either. Weren't there some adverts that mentioned SW pumps?

 

[Paul Bearman]

Come on guys, some of you die hard enthusiasts must have some idea.

 

[Jos]

Dunlop not British in the sixties ?

I think not although I cannot swear where the tyres were moulded

Same applies to Lockheed I suspect

Can I just add what a wonderful thread this is !

 

[Frank Catt]

Pumps were Bendix!