Rick Merz
Lifetime Supporter
Exactly! It took 755hp to put down those numbers since the ZR1 has an added 105hp over the ZO6 but not to worry the GT40 still has a weight advantage of 1,000lbs, smaller frontal area and the engine (weight) is in the rear, it boils down to physics. The shame is that a 2018 ZR1 is only marginally faster than a 1964-68 designed GT40 with 305hp less. I like my ZO6 for a daily driver but I love my GT40, no comparison at all (IMHO).
It's going to be interesting to see what your own 'Vette & GT40 do against each other given that they both will be driven by the same guy with somewhat the same 'seat time' in both cars on the same day at the same track!
Now, don't you go sand baggin' with the 'Vette just cuz the GT40 is your 'pet', Rick!!! We want an honest contest here!
This is going to be fun! :2thumbsup:
Well I think that it is a valid comparison and I like and own both cars so I will compare them apples to apples even with the ac on.I am finishing my RCR40 625/620 so we will see soon enough since I am going to take both to the Texas mile and the 1/4 mile drag. ZO6 time/speed in 1/4 mile from mag article, "The great American yardstick of acceleration will always be 1/4-mile elapsed times and team Corvette didn’t disappoint, claiming a 10.95-second time in the 8-speed with the 7-speed manual clocking a 11.2, both with identical 127mph", I can tell you that my GTD with 450hp did the 1/4 mile in 11.4 @ 132mph with a roll out start (so that I wouldn't hurt my transaxle). I did that with 200hp less than the ZO6. I have no doubt that I will spank my ZO6 with my RCR40 in both the mile and 1/4 mile runs (RCR40 has a 1,000lb advantage).
Rick
Rick,
I understand.
I didn't mean in just a performance-by-the-numbers sense. I meant in a more general way. In other words, the cars are completely different from an experience standpoint. One is relatively smooth and comfortable and with lots of creature comforts, one is bumpy and not comfortable with zero creature comforts. Vastly different cars with vastly different driver experience. Both are undoubtedly fast/quick, just in completely different ways.
It'll be interesting to hear your impressions of the straight line comparison - two very exciting cars to compare!
Howard Jones
Supporter
I find it interesting that you guys are interested AT ALL it drag racing at GT40. If you want comparisons why not take both cars to a road race track and compare lap times.
I guarantee you that a 400hp GT40 with Hoosiers on it will firggin blow the doors off a "new Corvette" around just about any RR track in the world. 1000 pounds is so much of a advantage that I don't think there are more than a couple of tracks in the country where I would choose a 3500 lb/700hp car over a 2500/400 car.
But performance isn't the reason that self built cars production may be, and I stress MAY BE, slowing down.
1. There are a lot of choices for fast car buyer out there. All the manufactures make a very fast car now. Many at or near the full on 10 of 10 GT40 build.
2. Most people under 50 can't remember not being able to buy what they want instead of making what they can't buy.
3. Lot more choices for hobbies than 20 years ago. Most of the new ones don't require much if any physical commitment, pain, or difficult learning period. Too many to list.
4. Most people are dumber than 20 years ago. Really...………………. it's the schools.
5. Most people can't fix their flashlight or do much of anything with tools anymore. (see 4)
However...……...the number of people who CAN make things and do their own stuff has increased slightly I would guess. Better tools, CAD design, Solid printing, Good cheap home suited machine equipment etc. AND the population have grown. More people = more people in sub groups. After all it only takes a few dozen GT40 kit sales a year to keep the manufactures alive. My guess would be maybe 20 or 30 in the three large areas, N America, Europe, Asia each year would be pretty healthy. Here we are talking less than a 100 people world wide.
So I think all is OK for GT40s for a long time to come.
I guarantee you that a 400hp GT40 with Hoosiers on it will firggin blow the doors off a "new Corvette" around just about any RR track in the world. 1000 pounds is so much of a advantage that I don't think there are more than a couple of tracks in the country where I would choose a 3500 lb/700hp car over a 2500/400 car.
But performance isn't the reason that self built cars production may be, and I stress MAY BE, slowing down.
1. There are a lot of choices for fast car buyer out there. All the manufactures make a very fast car now. Many at or near the full on 10 of 10 GT40 build.
2. Most people under 50 can't remember not being able to buy what they want instead of making what they can't buy.
3. Lot more choices for hobbies than 20 years ago. Most of the new ones don't require much if any physical commitment, pain, or difficult learning period. Too many to list.
4. Most people are dumber than 20 years ago. Really...………………. it's the schools.
5. Most people can't fix their flashlight or do much of anything with tools anymore. (see 4)
However...……...the number of people who CAN make things and do their own stuff has increased slightly I would guess. Better tools, CAD design, Solid printing, Good cheap home suited machine equipment etc. AND the population have grown. More people = more people in sub groups. After all it only takes a few dozen GT40 kit sales a year to keep the manufactures alive. My guess would be maybe 20 or 30 in the three large areas, N America, Europe, Asia each year would be pretty healthy. Here we are talking less than a 100 people world wide.
So I think all is OK for GT40s for a long time to come.
Rick Merz
Lifetime Supporter
Howard Jones
Supporter
Rick, I agree with you that a GT40 can run a respectable 1/4 mile time. Hell if you want to run a GT40, or for that matter any thing you got, at the drag strip the go for it but we both know that their real place of business is a RR course.
I am very interested is seeing your times with both cars around a proper track. Drag race included I guess.
I worked with a Guy that ran a low 9 second Camaro. Big motor, drag tires, automatic and we had a bit of interest in each others cars. He once asked me if I knew what time my GT40 would do in the 1/4 mile.
I told him I had no idea, and I would worry that I would break drive shafts, transaxle etc.
A couple of days latter he came up with a bunch of mods that he said would get her in the 8s.
Big block 1000HP Chevy, two speed auto box and a dragster live axle all narrowed up. Sort of a what if exercise. The more we bench raced this idea the more it became clear that the 60 foot time was far more important that HP up to running about sub 9s. AND you can't do that without a solid axle and slicks. He didn't think a independent rear end would run low 8s with 1500hp. But then we never tried any of this. Never was a real build proposal.
So GT40 drag racers be careful with that expensive transaxle. Rick have fun and let us know what happens. (I bet you that the GT40 is 10% faster per lap)
I am very interested is seeing your times with both cars around a proper track. Drag race included I guess.
I worked with a Guy that ran a low 9 second Camaro. Big motor, drag tires, automatic and we had a bit of interest in each others cars. He once asked me if I knew what time my GT40 would do in the 1/4 mile.
I told him I had no idea, and I would worry that I would break drive shafts, transaxle etc.
A couple of days latter he came up with a bunch of mods that he said would get her in the 8s.
Big block 1000HP Chevy, two speed auto box and a dragster live axle all narrowed up. Sort of a what if exercise. The more we bench raced this idea the more it became clear that the 60 foot time was far more important that HP up to running about sub 9s. AND you can't do that without a solid axle and slicks. He didn't think a independent rear end would run low 8s with 1500hp. But then we never tried any of this. Never was a real build proposal.
So GT40 drag racers be careful with that expensive transaxle. Rick have fun and let us know what happens. (I bet you that the GT40 is 10% faster per lap)
I don't know why other people's interest is lost, but I can share my point. Ever since I discovered the GT40 that I want one, even if it's a replica, however, shelling out over 50k for a car that I cant drive on the road (gotta love the laws in my country), and that I can hardly fit into ends up being a no-brainer. As a newlywed with a house to prepare, I can't explain to my wife why I need to sell all my cars (including the WRX that she loves) to buy a car that comes in a box, in parts, and that will take the best part of 2 years to assemble, and that I can't drive on the roads. Actually, I say this, but she would understand, as she knows how much I adore the GT40, but I still can't spend that much on what is effectively a toy. The economy may look better, but everyone I know of younger generations complain of the same problem: the future looks bleak, and investments are very risky. Just my 2 cents on this
Ian Anderson
Lifetime Supporter
Here you go a timing slip for my car.
DAX
Tyres road going Khumo ecsta
Engine 3900 Rover V8 base that will do 256hp at 7000.
Fuel standard UK unleaded
Me totally overweight
All tools, lunch etc in the passenger seat and footwell.
Drove there and drove back afterwards
Would 600hp have been quicker? Yes
Why not just drive the cars and enjoy them?
Ian
DAX
Tyres road going Khumo ecsta
Engine 3900 Rover V8 base that will do 256hp at 7000.
Fuel standard UK unleaded
Me totally overweight
All tools, lunch etc in the passenger seat and footwell.
Drove there and drove back afterwards
Would 600hp have been quicker? Yes
Why not just drive the cars and enjoy them?
Ian
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Howard Jones
Supporter
Again, I totally agree with Ian. You don't NEED to spend a $100K or even 60K to own one of these cars. You don't need to spend $30-40K or much more! on the drivetrain when a $3000/300hp used SBF and a $1500 Audi grxb will work just fine.
Used cars can be had and cleaned up for a price much less than building your own car from new and completely enjoyed for years. This hobby does not need to become beyond the reach of everyday hotroders. With a educated, careful, and frugal approach, a GT40 can be in most peoples hands if they take the time to figure out how to achieve their goal in a modest manner.
Used cars can be had and cleaned up for a price much less than building your own car from new and completely enjoyed for years. This hobby does not need to become beyond the reach of everyday hotroders. With a educated, careful, and frugal approach, a GT40 can be in most peoples hands if they take the time to figure out how to achieve their goal in a modest manner.
You could buy a car at Barrett-Jackson like the one which sold at the northeast auction on Saturday for $77K. Don't know the make or about the drive train. Don't forget the 10% buyers fee. So for $84.7K, plus tax and license, someone bought a good looking driver. Proving once again that big time auctions are probably not the place to sell your 40.
Pat
Supporter
That's it Veek
