A very powerful piece of writing by Bryan Forbes

David Morton

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2068. Think about it. That's five more since last you looked.
The joke is this comes under the banner of Operation Enduring Freedom.
 

David Morton

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Please support this petition if you agree and pass this on to others so that they might also have the opportunity of doing so.


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>For those of you who may wish to add your signature in favour of this review.

http://soldiers-pensions.co.uk/?q=petition

Hi all. PLEASE can you all sign this petition for soldiers pensions at the above link and pass on to all of your friends and families. For those of you who dont know Sgt Matty Telford was killed 3rd Nov 2009 by a rogue Afghan Policeman. Now you will all remember him from the news as 'Sergeant' Matty Telford but the army give his children his pension at corporal rate because he was sergeant for less than a year. The unfairness of this is that he was promoted so he could do this job in Afghan and had he not been promoted he would have been doing a different job and may have been with us today. After this petition was started it came to light that this is happening to a lot of our brave heroes families.

PLEASE help by signing the petition!

Thanks
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Keith, same as that.


David, Thanks for the link. Last time I checked, when you were given a rank, you WERE that rank.

It's the WRONG kind of money saving. Thin end of the wedge bollocks that does no-one any good...

Signature done.
 

David Morton

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I think they are still poncing about using and promoting people to Acting Ranks that a particular theatre demands - and even sometimes when the requirement finishes and the person has not covered themselves in glory , demoting those same people back to their Substansive Rank. This only seems to apply to the N.C.O. ranks however as the Comissioned ranks usually retain the new status even after the requirement finishes. I think there might also be a pay difference between Acting and Substansive ranks as well which I find abhorrant. If a man is deemed fit to be promoted then he should be payed accordingly, he should retain the new rank, and he should be substansive from day one.
 
I think they are still poncing about using and promoting people to Acting Ranks that a particular theatre demands - and even sometimes when the requirement finishes and the person has not covered themselves in glory , demoting those same people back to their Substansive Rank. This only seems to apply to the N.C.O. ranks however as the Comissioned ranks usually retain the new status even after the requirement finishes. I think there might also be a pay difference between Acting and Substansive ranks as well which I find abhorrant. If a man is deemed fit to be promoted then he should be payed accordingly, he should retain the new rank, and he should be substansive from day one.

David,

Simply could not agree with you more. If you're good enough, then you ARE good enough...

Graham.
 

David Morton

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Thanks Graham,
Please sign the petition and also write a personal letter to your MP and the PM about this travesty. So many people who are NOT in harms way
but are paid from the public purse are trousering far more money than any Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman ever sees in a life time.
Camerons post code is SW1A 2AA.
 

David Morton

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And what about the Territorial who volunteered to go to fight with the full timers... Shot twice and given one of our highest distinctions, lost an arm in the process at the age of 26...

Because he is a Territorial, he gets an £18 pension per week.....

Makes my blood boil. It's disgusting the way we treat our armed forces.
 
I have just spent the last five hours reading the thread front to back and I agree wholeheartedly with it. These useless wastes of oxygen need to by held accountable for their fu*kups.
DM, you have PM ;)

Cheers, ben
 

Pete McCluskey.

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A SOLDIER who fought alongside Digger Jared MacKinney when he was killed in Afghanistan says his mate would still be alive if the troops had adequate fire support and better intelligence. <!-- google_ad_section_end(name=story_introduction) -->

<!-- // .story-intro --><!-- google_ad_section_start(name=story_body, weight=high) -->In a scathing email sent from the frontline and obtained by The Courier-Mail , the Digger, who cannot be named, said it was a miracle that five or six more Australians were not killed in the Battle of Derapet.
And, far from being an ambush, the two groups of Australian and Afghan soldiers were expecting to be hit as they patrolled the green zone at Deh Rawood, 60km west of Tarin Kowt, on August 24.
The soldier's email accused the Australian Army of exposing troops to unnecessary risks.
The Digger, from the Brisbane-based 6th Battalion, estimated the enemy body count at about 20.
"That contact would have been over before Jared died if they gave us f-----g mortars," he said.



<!-- // .story-sidebar -->Lance Corporal MacKinney's widow Becky gave birth to their second child, a son, Noah, only five hours after his funeral service in Brisbane on October 10.
The soldier said his section had been in combat 100m from the same spot two days earlier and reports from sappers clearing bombs on the morning of the battle had stated that civilians were fleeing the valley.
"That told us it was going to be on," he said. The patrol's first big surprise was the enemy force's size.
No intelligence reports had prepared the two sections of about 24 men for a confrontation with up to 100 enemy soldiers attacking from multiple positions as close as 80m away.
"We were at times pinned down by a massive rate of fire but we stuck to it," he wrote.
"We are not operating in platoon size groups, so this is hard when you can't manoeuvre sections against them, but we tried to fix them so we could destroy them with air assets."
The second shock for the Diggers, who were forced to withdraw as they started to run low on ammunition, was the complete lack of support from artillery, mortars or aircraft.
"The army has let us down mate and I am f-----g disgusted."
The soldier, from the 1st Mentoring Task Force, said an unmanned spy plane flew above the battlefield pinpointing enemy positions throughout the three-hour contact, but effective fire support had still failed to materialise.
"Every (c###t) is too scared about collateral damage."
He also revealed Lance Corporal MacKinney died almost half an hour into the battle.
"They were copping rounds the whole time, all the way through to carrying him on the stretcher and loading him on the AME (Aero Medical Evacuation chopper)," he said.
The Digger also slammed the lack of air support provided by a US Apache helicopter that flew just two offensive strafing runs all day.
The soldier's blunt email has been circulated to senior officers, including Chief of Defence, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston.
According to the email, most fire support came from Australian Light Armoured Vehicles (ASLAVs) providing overwatch to the joint Australian-Afghan patrol from a nearby hillside.
The soldier's plea is strongly supported by retired counter-insurgency expert Major-General Jim Molan, a coalition operational commander in Iraq, who said the Government should immediately send Abrams tanks and Army Tiger attack helicopters before more soldiers die
 

Keith

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A SOLDIER who fought alongside Digger Jared MacKinney when he was killed in Afghanistan says his mate would still be alive if the troops had adequate fire support and better intelligence. <!-- google_ad_section_end(name=story_introduction) -->

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'If' they were still at home in Oz, he could have been killed in a drunken fight.

If the local buses around here had a thinner offside 'A' pillar, then my best mate Paul would not have been hit by a bus and killed last week.

Where do you stop with 'if' ?

'If' they sent in 100 Chinooks to airlift them all out, at least one would crash and kill all the occupants, and within 2 years, perhaps 5% would have died from other causes.

Better to die fighting with your mates and a gun in your hand than in a senseless road accident or drunken brawl.

And lastly, Trooper Jared MacKinney would still be alive 'IF' the Taliban hadn't shot him.
 
'If' they were still at home in Oz, he could have been killed in a drunken fight.

If the local buses around here had a thinner offside 'A' pillar, then my best mate Paul would not have been hit by a bus and killed last week.

Where do you stop with 'if' ?

'If' they sent in 100 Chinooks to airlift them all out, at least one would crash and kill all the occupants, and within 2 years, perhaps 5% would have died from other causes.

Better to die fighting with your mates and a gun in your hand than in a senseless road accident or drunken brawl.

And lastly, Trooper Jared MacKinney would still be alive 'IF' the Taliban hadn't shot him.

Keith,

I agree in a way. It's the old argument of "How many people in a year die in the factory that makes safety helmets?"...

We can never legislate for everything that happens around us. Chance is exactly that, just chance, and when an ill wind blows...

Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.

Scary shit though.

Graham.
 
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Keith

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On a serious note 'cos there's nothing funny in being shot (ask me how I... oh bollox) I was slightly amazed that Oz newspaper would run that story. It's not like them at all to moan about their lot. If anything the courage and grit of Oz soldiers have been an inspiration to all fighting men since at least WWI and their selfless sacrifice over the last century to whatever cause they nailed their colours to (including Vietnam) has been a shining example and a true rallying point for all that is good about our society when under pressure.

I salute you guys! :thumbsup:

I believe the editor/owner of that newspaper should be summarily imprisoned for Anti Australian Activities or at least 'embedded' with the front line in Afghanistan until he is either raped by a rabid camel or sent to diffuse an IAD with lead boots.

Hopefully, it will turn out to be Rupert (The Beast) Murdoch.
 

Pete McCluskey.

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