B.O. Supports Mosque near ground zero.
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There is a difference between being "proud" of something, and being "really proud" of something. Same with "liking" something and "really liking" something.
And the last part of her speech ... you ignore that she can be really proud of the result, that a large number of people unified around a common cause?
But, did you read the article I linked? Read it, and maybe you might understand her words a bit more.
Ian
Now come on Jim, not everyone is a Muslim
My 2 cents as everyone is involved in this stuff. Al has a good point. It's called pre-emptive strike as a demonstration of your intent. It's the fundamentally correct way to deal with a bully. Your Pentagon thought it could finish the job in the 50's and 60's and darned near carried it out, not that it made it right, but at least no-one would have ever screwed with you again. Right now, you have the most modern well equipped fighting force in the world and it's hamstrung. Might as well disband the armed forces for all the good they can do wearing handcuffs and reading terrorists their Miranda Rights whilst gently stroking them with a feather cushion.
You can argue the rights & wrongs and political divides until you are blue in the face but if you show weakness to those that would harm you - under any flag, you are certainly doomed to be subservient in the long run.
It is very Christian to turn the other cheek and forgive those that would trespass against you but it's hard to do when they are blowing up your children. I believe the old testament view works best here. An eye, leg, arm and head, for an eye.
I'm not a liberal, not a socialist, not a conservative and not a communist marxist imperialistic running dog either,but probably a mix of all, in other words a human being that doesn't live in a pigeon hole, and I'd rather run the risk of my family being blown to pieces than have them die the death of a thousand cuts.
Pat
Supporter
Come on Ian, this was the political spin weeks after her comment trying to diffuse the impact in the media. The fact is, her words remain and their interpretation evident.
Just imagine what would have happened if Sarah Palin had said exactly the same thing. Would the press have been so supportive in their "re-interpretation", especially the Chicago press???
Bush plays golf and it's very bad, how could he we're at war!!! Obama plays golf, "how wonderful it is he get a vacation..." But I don't have the energy to discuss the Obama's vacation schedule.
I actually have a lot of respect for Ms Obama. I don't ever recall her saying something she didn't believe. I don't agree with her on a lot of things, but I respect her...Mr. Obama, not so much...
Gee, Pat, I'm not certain you understood my protestations......but now that you mention it, I must respectfully disagree with you about a few issues.
First, I do believe SOMEBODY needs to tell you that you should be thankful for the right to freely express our opinions.....you most assuredly do so, and in my observations, with considerably more ilk than most. Your comments seem to often include personal insults, rather than rational discourse regarding the issue under discussion. You may not see the dichotomy there, but believe me, others do whether they challenge you on it or not. In other countries/other times your manner of expressing your displeasure would likely have resulted in censorship or worse (like a visit from Spike and Lefty to impress on you the importance of watching the tone of your comments). So, yes, I did mean to remind you that you SHOULD be thankful for the right to freely express your opinions....if you don't like that coming from me, so be it.
And, second, YES, I do believe you should be thankful that Jim posts here and that you should read his posts. As for "without comment", no, I do not believe you should do so without comment, comment away, but the abrasisive nature of your comments does little to endear you to those of us who are here for rational discourse and even less to convince any of us of your point of view.
If you are truly incensed by the predictable political orientation of posts by members like Jim and myself, I say just place us on your "ignore" list, problem solved. The posts by us will just then be replaced by a forum notice that the posting member is on your ignore list and you won't have to be bothered by the dribble we post. A warning, though.....EVERYTHING by the members you "ignore" will be hidden.....I had placed a member whom I thought was particularly offensive on "ignore" status and recently took him off b/c I was interested in his build thread. What's the answer? For me, it was to develop a bit more tolerance for someone who has a decidedly different view than mine......you might consider that, tolerance is not a character flaw :thumbsup: .
Furthermore:
If you were a more consistent reader of these posts you would know full well that Jim and I and most of the frequent posters on these political threads decry the intenional misrepresentation of information from any news source, whether liberal or conservative.....Jim has said so in no uncertain terms, and I have even quit beating a dead horse in this matter, as having been a broadcast journalist major in college I am a firm believer in "qualifying" the source of the news presented to make sure the source does not have a political agenda, either liberal or conservative. "Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts".
However, you don't seem to be a frequent reader of these threads, just a "hit and run" poster.......how proud you must be!
Actually, I prefer the lyrics from a Bill Barwick tune, "George's Rule":
"Never argue with someone more stupid than you,
it'll just make 'em mad if you do.
Just leave 'em believing what they 'know' to be true.
Never argue with someone more stupid than you."
What an eloquent way to point out that someone who "knows" what is true (as you so obviously do) and is unwilling to give even any consideration to a differing viewpoint (as you so obviously are) is a great example of the old saying "There are none so blind as those who will not see".
I don't expect you to change b/c of this, Pat......after all, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior and your past behavior has shown you to be both intolerant and verbally abusive. However, I stand firm in my request that if you do get so disgusted by our obviously ignorant postings that you really must puke, that you please video the act and post it on YouTube so that those of us who disturb you to such an extreme degree will be able to enjoy the view.
Cheers from Doug!
You mean her "misinterpretation" is evident.
Sorry Veek, I understood what she meant. And it is not what everyone seems to be so up in arms about.
Ian
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You all may have forgotten this by now but a lot of this terrorist activity was caused by the "great" Ronald Reagon. He sent a large contingent of Marines to Lebanon of all places, a terroris bomber blew up their barricks killing hundreds of these fine men.
What did the "great" Ronald Reagon do, he went home with his tail between his legs. Showing everyone in the middle east that terrorism works. Thanks alot Ron!
He sould never have sent them to Lebanon in the first place.
I strongly believe that if someone is responsabe for a crime or an attack on our country they should be struck down with all our might. That said you better be right and in the modern world killing thousands of innocent people because you are angry makes you a terrorist!
Kieth, does the feather stroking come before or after the waterboarding?
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Good point Jim, although the precedent for terrorists successfuly "bombing their way to the conference table" had been well established by then, to wit: the IRA and Jewish Zionists to name but a few. Now, some people may say, ah no, they were "dissidents" or "freedom fighters" but personally I do not see the difference when innocent people get blown apart - uh, no, I'm going to say MURDERED. Detractors of so-called precision munitions always wail about "collateral damage" when terrorists, dissidents and freedom fighters IAD's have murdered many many more people not in uniform and unconnected, but you're right Jim A) They (the US Marines) should not have been there and B) once there they shouldn't have "run". You might also say that the "rescue that never was" also seriously damaged the US image in Muslim countries never mind how the fiasco was funded.
Jim, as for the practice of Waterboarding which is now, rightly in my view, banned (mainly because of the trauma and stress suffered by the inquisitors) having been replaced by the equally heinous ordeal by "Surfing" and "Mah Jong" just prior to "Tickling" and other PC methods of torture and I do understand that watching looped episodes of Friends is highly effective and very time efficient although it has unfortunate side effects that the inquisitors seem to want to kill each other before the second commercial break after just one episode. The "suspects" on the other hand, seem delighted with this form of coercion even though they don't speak English, presumably hoping that Jennifer Aniston's top falls off and for someone to make a genuinely funny remark. These new methods certainly seem to tick all the boxes and meet all the targets set by the Pentagon for "calm and fruitful" relations with suspected terrorists and is entirely in step with the "New Gay Army" proposals. Bless.
So once more we have lost a huge tactical advantage. For sure, whilst it WAS patently true that Charlie didn't surf in the '60's, he certainly does now.
Not to get back on subject or anything , but .....
Where do you get your funding ?
Pelosi wants to investigate opposers of ground zero Mosque to find out where the funding for the opposition comes from .
Im I supposed to get paid to have an opinion ?, or are we not to have an opinion without compensation ? and where does the funding come from .
Oh ya , Pelosi is going to find that out !
Where do you get your funding ?
Pelosi wants to investigate opposers of ground zero Mosque to find out where the funding for the opposition comes from .
Im I supposed to get paid to have an opinion ?, or are we not to have an opinion without compensation ? and where does the funding come from .
Oh ya , Pelosi is going to find that out !
Jim, Have you heard anything from libya in the last 24 years? That's what Reagan did! No bowing, no praising the arabs for their minimal accomplishments, no ass kissing, just a scary fucking responce, 24 years of silence, not bad. As far as "Because of something 17 people did you want to start an nuclear war??????????" Who do you think it was that financially backed and trained those 17 pieces of garbage? You're not that naive! Nuclear war? With who?
She is a piece of work, isn't she? 70% of the population is against the Mosque being built at ground zero, she's got a lot of work ahead of her!
Al, did you ever hear the phrase "As goes California, so goes the nation"?
Don't believe that? Look at illegal immigration (one of my favorite topics, as well as yours)--California took a rather lax view of undocumented aliens a LONG time ago, now look what is happening to Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and much of the middle of the nation, too.
Pelosi's style, beliefs, agendas may not coincide with yours, but she has enough on the ball to keep California satisfied with her (not that I am necessarily, but then I only lived there for 2 years and that was as a young boy, so perhaps I didn't get the fever). Like it or not, she may be the face of the future :laugh: .
Pelosi doesn't please me, but Palin SCARES me......between the two, I'd say Palin is the :furious: "...piece of work", and in more ways than one!
Cheers from Doug
Where the hell did Palin come from? Pelosi would not be in office if she lived anywhere else in the US, I take that back, Mass maybe. What, botox is the face of the future?
The face of the future. Enough truth to make me suspect of Pelosi.
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Sort of a reflex action.....you mentioned "...piece of work" in a derogatory tone, Palin's image just popped up :idea: .
Strange how the mind works, no? Gotta love Freud and his interpretations of dreams and visual imagery :thumbsup: !!!
Cheers from Doug
Hmmm, 1988 - Lockerbie, Scotland, Pan Am Flight 103. 1989, UTA Flight 772 over Niger.
Libya was still heavily involved in terrorist attacks, which actually increased after Reagan initiated significant sanctions and air strikes. It wasn't until the UN acted in 1992 to bring about global sanctions did Libya's terrorist activities subside. About 3 years after Reagan left office.
Dissuading State Support of Terrorism: Strikes or Sanctions? (An Analysis of Dissuasion Measures Employed Against Libya) - Studies in Conflict & Terrorism
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single - The Jamestown Foundation[tt_news]=305
which notes that American counterterrorist analysts believe that Libyan authorities simply became much more adept at concealing their involvement in terrorism.
Ian
Works for me!
