Bill and Hilary Dirtbag

clinton fired 93 federal prosecutors, Bush fired 8.

Of course, as a liberal, you have the right to manipulate the numbers any way you see fit. That, naturally, is a given.


Gee Mr Fechter, you forgot to mention this............

Bush dismissals comparable to Clinton's '93 dismissals

Several media outlets have compared the Bush administration's controversial dismissals of U.S. attorneys to President Clinton's dismissal of almost all U.S. attorneys upon taking office in 1993.

In fact both Clinton and Bush dismissed nearly all U.S. attorneys upon taking office following an administration of the opposite party.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Mr Fechter,

As we all know, anything political you say is probably untrue.

Here are the facts.

US Attorneys serve four year terms. At the end of the term the President can renew their appointment or can chose to not renew their appointment. Presidents who replace Presidents from the other party often make drastic changes, by chosing not to renew those appointments.

THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS FIREING!!!!!!!

Reagon, BushI BushII, Clinton and Obama all did this.

Your handelers told you that Clinton Fired them and you not only believed them, you brought those lies here. Nice try!

Mr Fechter Here are the Facts!

Between 1981 and 2006 there were 54 US Attorneys that did not serve out their full four year terms.

17 Left early to take positions as Article III Federal Judges.
1 Left to become a US Magistrate judge.
6 Left to take other positions in the Executive Branch.
4 Left early to seek elective office.
2 Left to serve State Government.
1 Died.
15 Left to return to private practice

That leaves 8.

2 Were fired by Reagan
6 resigned for various forms of bad behavior.
 
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Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
This is just typical Fox bullshit, they take something that all recent Presidents do, then they lie about It just enough to make it sound outrageous.

They take things like Judges, Pardons, travel (can you believe how much Obama spent), or vacation (oh the cost!), or monitoring the Internet for certain words and certain people (you are against that?).............on and on.

Then they bring these things that all Presidents do to Mr Fechter and he is outraged.........sad really.
 
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Keith

Moderator
I do not know about anybody else here, and not being at all partisan, but hearing the term

"XYZ is going to be US President in three years time and there's nothing you can do about it"

Is an extraordinarily sinister statement to make in a democracy/Republic isn't it?

Was that a mistake Jim? or did you mean to say "In my opinion, etc etc." (I won't put you down as humble mate)

I believe it is these utterances which bring you the flak Jim, You should really moderate that stuff - it really gets peoples backs up or is that your agenda?

Silly really, now there's going to be even MORE name calling and Rome is burning ever more fiercely.

For a short time I thought we'd put a lid on these exchanges and now I see it's coming back. There's only ever two or three people responsible.

Quit already..
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
And I think if you read the title of the OP you will see where, once again, it all started.

There's a dirtbag around, that's for sure.
 

Keith

Moderator
I didn't read that - I read Jim's. It doesn't make it right that he is responding in like manner to a bit of what, ignorance?

That makes him ignorant too and proves nothing.

Take the moral high ground boys! Get out of this tit for tat shit!

It's a playground for 5 year olds is what it is..and none of us above 5 years old is learning anything.

Come on....

Might take an idiot to start it, but it takes a MAN to stop it.

Edit: OK, I just took a look. Not Not Not worthy of a reply. It wasn't any serious attempt to point out anything for educational purposes it was deliberately designed to get a reaction and that it did. This is Bob's style - it always has been. :)

So, Jim takes himself down to OP's level as a way of rejoinder? Mad.
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
Fair points.

Mark and I had a reasonable discussion about this and both agreed one way to help clean up some of the poor tone in the paddock was to take some of the acerbidity (is that a word?) out of the thread titles. That request was specifically directed at Bob. Worked for a while but Bob is back at it. I knew he couldn't control himself for long.
 
As we all know, anything political you say is probably untrue.

That is what I find most offensive when Jim pops his head up. he always starts from a position that assumes EVERYONE agrees him. Clearly, in most cases (here at least in the Paddock), MOST people do not.

Aside from the oxymoron in the statement, that knowing something is probably untrue
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
Bob does the same thing.

I agree presuming everyone agrees with you is wrong. But no one seems to call Bob out on that other than Jim....hmmmm.....
 
But no one seems to call Bob out on that other than Jim....hmmmm.....

That's because we are all grown ups and KNOW that Bob is shit-stirrer.

That fact however, does not automatically translate into everything he posts is true, or untrue.

Bob has a way of making us all engage and debate, argue, even fight. I like that! I prefer it to the other side of the fence where all Ponies are Pink, and we all agree with Jim.

As Douglas Adams would describe Bob, he is as subtle as having your head smashed in by a slice of lemon,

wrapped around a large brick

Jim comes across all too often, as overly-principled, judgmental and presumptuous.
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
Meh. All depends on your perspective. To me, Bob is simply a not very smart guy who likes to cause trouble and divide people. He doesn't care about the CoUNTRY going forward, he cares about "his side" winning.

I don't see that in Jim. Jim cares about the country, although I agree he does so from the same political perspective as me. But I bet it it is far more likely that JIm and I vote for and encourage reasonable Republican canidates than guys like Larry or Bob ever voting for a Democrat. They loathe them. As best I can tell, Jim just thinks he is right. He doesn't loathe the other side. And that is the problem here.
 

Keith

Moderator
Bob does the same thing.

I agree presuming everyone agrees with you is wrong. But no one seems to call Bob out on that other than Jim....hmmmm.....

I have done many times. Calling Bob out proves nothing - he doesn't care.

But Bob is not like Jim. He will not give up. He enjoys this stuff.

Since he discovered 'Craik, Young & Sinlair baiting' - it's his new weekend sport - a bit like bass boating.

Bob doesn't bother me because I understand him. Jim is not like Bob. He is trying to be right and proper but comes across as weak blustering and ineffectual if he tries to rejoinder using Bob's own tactics. That's never ever going to work. That's like adopting blitzkrieg tactics with a Rifle squad.

I suppose I kind of expect Jim to rise above this and find his own way of showing his frustrations at the 'opposition' - and that's why I and Mark prod him. It probably never ever occurred to Jim that we're not his enemies. He adopted the classic (but ultimately fatal) position.
If you're not with me you must be against be. Translated into: if you don't yell at Bob it means you agree with him.

Nothing could be further than the truth...

There was a time before the election Bob was quite funny and erudite and I liked his delivery. I told him to put a brake on, and I'd help make him President. Well, he blew THAT in a large way, so I had to withdraw both my support and my funding and that's really what's happened.

It's kind of sad really...

Finally, before you ask. No, Mark and I have never ever discussed any of this together ever - truthfully. Check with him.
 

Keith

Moderator
Meh. All depends on your perspective. To me, Bob is simply a not very smart guy who likes to cause trouble and divide people. He doesn't care about the CoUNTRY going forward, he cares about "his side" winning.

I don't see that in Jim. Jim cares about the country, although I agree he does so from the same political perspective as me. But I bet it it is far more likely that JIm and I vote for and encourage reasonable Republican canidates than guys like Larry or Bob ever voting for a Democrat. They loathe them. As best I can tell, Jim just thinks he is right. He doesn't loathe the other side. And that is the problem here.


Just one more thing if I may. I saw this headline and to be honest it would not have mattered who posted it. It is not the kind of mail I would have opened to start with. Hence when i caught Jim's reply I had no idea of the content. A quick glance (for research purposes of course, but I didn't swallow) proved rapidly to me, that my original course of action was entirely correct.

Perhaps Jim is fixated? It can happen easily on the Internet and at some time - it has probably happened to all of us, which is why I fear for children on this thing.

I hate to talk about Jim as if he wasn't in the room, but in some ways, and at some times - he just isn't.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
I do not know about anybody else here, and not being at all partisan, but hearing the term

"XYZ is going to be US President in three years time and there's nothing you can do about it"

Is an extraordinarily sinister statement to make in a democracy/Republic isn't it?

Was that a mistake Jim? or did you mean to say "In my opinion, etc etc." (I won't put you down as humble mate)

I believe it is these utterances which bring you the flak Jim, You should really moderate that stuff - it really gets peoples backs up or is that your agenda?

So starting a thread by calling a very well liked and successful former President and the next President (All polls point to President Hillary Clinton) "DIRTBAGS".

That draws no responce, but my stating the obvious, no matter how many half truths and lies Mr Fechter and the right tells, it won't matter, that is "sinister", "gets peoples backs up" and needs to be "moderated".

Really?
 
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