Fast food workers are demanding a $15 an hour wage which is almost twice what they are getting now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I am paying $7 for a burger, fries, and milk shake (non of which I would even consider eating) now, it would mean that after the wage increase I would pay close to $14 for the same delicious meal. Even if I were overjoyed about putting that garbage in my body, I would look for an alternative source of cheaper garbage. And if 50% of the people thought like that, fast food chains would collapse. The people say they need to support their families. Doesn't anyone run the math before popping out kids and living beyond their means anymore? Why is the fast food industry responsible for the bad actions of their employees? When I was young, those jobs were held by high school kids. It seems to me that all of this goes back to our educational system. A high school grad can still get a decent blue collar job.
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That's a very interesting point Al. From a largely agricultural perspective in our history, kids were an important economic necessity as a source of cheap labour. In Victorian manufacturing during the Industrial Revolution, children once again became an economic tool in the hands of the Mill owners. Now, at least in the UK, even following the demise of traditional family enterprise and cheap forced child labour, children once again have become an economic tool in the hands of the many unscrupulous welfare benefit claimers.
Only recently, a gentleman who has lived here on the State for the past 10 years and has 11 children. For this tribal gathering, he gets a large house and £27,000 ($44.000 p.a.) to live on and he says he is struggling. In other cases, "parents" just pop another child out when money gets short. It's absolutely appalling, yet what's to do about it without harming the children?
This is the totally unacceptable face of the exploitation of a Welfare Benefit system set up as a safety net for people in real need and being raped by a greedy section of the community seemingly without conscience.
I would add that the fact that this example happens to be a Muslim family is not in the slightest significant and is coincidental. There are plenty of native British families similarly plundering the system......
As for US fast food outlets, I'll be honest, when I lived in the USA I was in hog heaven mate...
Fortunately I survived with my BMI intact..Rochdale man on benefits for 10 years says he is not irresponsible for having 11 children | Daily Mail Online
I suppose the upside of Mr Salim and his thirteen strong family is it costs less of the taxpayers hard earned per child if compared to a single parent ( of which there are many) . A single mother raising her illegitimate child in a one bedroom flat would probably cost the benefit system north of £15k, not such a bargain basement bastard . We can only pray that they in turn become tax paying citizens.
Bob
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Or pay he in bacon butties!
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As Maggie Thatcher once famously said socialism if ok until you run out of other people's money. Of course our respective governments have kicked the can down the road a bit by printing more $$$ £££ €€€. But doing that will also lead to eventual disaster.
Just wait until Mr. Salim's children get old enough to vote. We don't learn from history.
Just wait until Mr. Salim's children get old enough to vote. We don't learn from history.
11 more faithful liberals, and 11 more families on welfare.
But seriously, what do you think about the $15 wage for unskilled workers, and the demise of fast food? McDonalds is working on total automation, which means these folks have priced themselves out of a job.
Considering that the average wage for a paramedic is about $16 per hour, the fast food $15 per hour doesn't compute.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Paramedic/Hourly_Rate
Considering that the average wage for a paramedic is about $16 per hour, the fast food $15 per hour doesn't compute.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Paramedic/Hourly_Rate
This whole fast food thing is a damned myth here in the UK. There is never ever anything ready to buy. It is almost all only cooked to order and you are forced to wait in line for sometimes 20 mins. Fast my ass.
I got so fed up once at a McD that I went outside and lined up in the Drive Through. (Sorry, my line in the sand is a complete denial of the existence of any word spelt in the manner of 'Thru'). I got to the window in a line of cars and they refused to serve me. So I just sat down and almost got my ass kicked my the bloke behind me but I stuck it out and eventually they tossed me out a burger which I didn't pay for. Never been in one of their places since.
In any event, it is easier to buy drugs in their takeaway lines than it is to buy chips...
Am I the only one who stood up cheering when the Michael Douglas character in the movie 'Falling Down' pulled out a MAC 10 and threatened the staff of a burger joint because he was just one minute shy of breakfast service time and they wouldn't serve him?
I got so fed up once at a McD that I went outside and lined up in the Drive Through. (Sorry, my line in the sand is a complete denial of the existence of any word spelt in the manner of 'Thru'). I got to the window in a line of cars and they refused to serve me. So I just sat down and almost got my ass kicked my the bloke behind me but I stuck it out and eventually they tossed me out a burger which I didn't pay for. Never been in one of their places since.
In any event, it is easier to buy drugs in their takeaway lines than it is to buy chips...
Am I the only one who stood up cheering when the Michael Douglas character in the movie 'Falling Down' pulled out a MAC 10 and threatened the staff of a burger joint because he was just one minute shy of breakfast service time and they wouldn't serve him?
If you go down that road, there are so many wage anomalies in the whole employment sphere, it'll drive you nuts trying to find any parity. It's supply and demand and at least here in the UK, a balance between a simple 'job' and a vocation.
Prime example, why should London Underground train drivers get the equivalent pay of $77,012.00 p.a. (not a misprint) for a 35 hour week while a snr State Registered Nurse gets half that amount for double those hours?
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Paddock point??Al we have a minimum wage in the UK of $10.20 per hour and that is what you have to pay even if the employee is a total fuckwit. Its the law.
Bob
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Bob
Must try harder 5/10...
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Al we have a minimum wage in the UK of $10.20 per hour and that is what you have to pay even if the employee is a total fuckwit. Its the law.
Bob
That equal out to $15.54 per hour US. You have already gone down that road. If I had a small business, I would close the doors before I was forced to pay unskilled labor that. Maybe that's where we are going. The US would be pounding sand if they lost small business. SB represents 99.7% of US business
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Al, Bob had already made the calc from £££'s to $$$'s so it's not quite as it looks! Plus, the highest minimum wage only kicks in at 21 years of age. It's less for 18+ and even less for 16+. In the scheme of things, it would mean the average UK fast food burger slinger would only make the equivalent of less than $10 per hour given that most of them are kids anyway.
What kills our small business is property prices, rents and property taxes (read Uniform Business Rates which are a complete scam) not wages so much. Productivity is typically shit as well. I would rather pay a fewer number of highly motivated and trained staff higher wages than a bunch of spotty nose pickers lower pay. Strangely, I learned this lesson in the United States in the hospitality industry, where your kids were working their way through college doing bar, cocktail waitress, and food server roles for pretty low shift pay but big in tips. I tried to import this ethic back to the UK but failed in the best part because young people are treated like shit in the hospitality industry and there is largely no defined career path for them. Besides which it's hard graft with anti social hours and all the youngsters I come across these days are studying in 'Media Studies' and other 21st Century Really Useful Majors.
The key is to get people into work and off welfare and unemployment. One of the ways to do this is to pay a reasonable minimum wage so I am all for it at least in my industry (as was). They will have to work hard for it though!
The one that has many employers worried is the National Living Wage. The National Living Wage will be phased in between 2016 and 2020, with the aim of reaching 60% of median UK earnings by 2020. For over-25 year old employees, the wage will begin at £7.20 per hour in April 2016 and is projected to rise to at least £9 per hour by 2020.
To me this is peanuts but to many employers it is the harbinger of doom. I mean you're over 25 and you have to rely on £7.20 an hour? ($11.50 approx) Something's gone wrong if you are going to have rely on that paltry sum. That wouldn't pay my bar tab and yet employers are already screaming blue murder.
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