Ferrari issue F1 quit ultimatum
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Ferrari? Are they competing this year? :shocked:
Ferrari should stop formula one and start american competitions, being usa the best market in the world...
Ferrari is confused. They seem to think they still have a seven time world champ driving for them.
Frankly, good riddance. Would be great to see another team near the top.
Ferrari CAN'T not be in formula 1, it's much too tied to their sales and marketing needs. In short, Ferrari is full of sheit...
Frankly, good riddance. Would be great to see another team near the top.
Ferrari CAN'T not be in formula 1, it's much too tied to their sales and marketing needs. In short, Ferrari is full of sheit...
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Andrew Baker writing in the Daily Telegraph puts it succinctly:
Ferrari's board are to meet to discuss the company's future involvement in Formula One. This is a bit like the board of Imperial Tobacco getting together to discuss their future involvement in the cigarette industry: the one would not exist without the other. Ferrari is the ultimate "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" team, and the notion that they are about to can their effort at the pinnacle of motor sport does not bear serious consideration. Honda clearly decided (with appalling timing) that the sport was not for them. Toyota, BMW and even Mercedes could be excused for looking at their F1 operations with a jaundiced eye in the light of toppling global car sales.
But FIAT, which owns Ferrari, is having a tremendous time on a worldwide shopping spree for distressed assets, looking to add Chrysler and chunks of General Motors to its basket. Withdrawing its flagship brand from Formula One would hardly send a confident message.
So no. No imminent withdrawal. What is going on is the kind of puerile grandstanding that typifies Formula One politics. Ferrari wishes to continue in Formula One, but on its own terms, and with its own special rules. The FIA wants F1 to get serious about cutting costs.
Cue the bluffing, as Luca de Montezemolo of Ferrari and Max Mosley of the FIA strut their stuff in the schoolyard. Mosley says that F1 will be just fine without Ferrari - which it won't. De Montezemolo is signaling that Ferrari might be fine without F1 - which they won't. It would be pathetic if there weren't so much at stake.
Ferrari's board certainly need to discuss Formula One. But what they should be talking about is their team's sudden inability to build a reliable car, and the chronic confusion that has typified their team's tactical calls this season.
Never mind wasting money: they are wasting the talents of Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen
Ferrari's board are to meet to discuss the company's future involvement in Formula One. This is a bit like the board of Imperial Tobacco getting together to discuss their future involvement in the cigarette industry: the one would not exist without the other. Ferrari is the ultimate "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" team, and the notion that they are about to can their effort at the pinnacle of motor sport does not bear serious consideration. Honda clearly decided (with appalling timing) that the sport was not for them. Toyota, BMW and even Mercedes could be excused for looking at their F1 operations with a jaundiced eye in the light of toppling global car sales.
But FIAT, which owns Ferrari, is having a tremendous time on a worldwide shopping spree for distressed assets, looking to add Chrysler and chunks of General Motors to its basket. Withdrawing its flagship brand from Formula One would hardly send a confident message.
So no. No imminent withdrawal. What is going on is the kind of puerile grandstanding that typifies Formula One politics. Ferrari wishes to continue in Formula One, but on its own terms, and with its own special rules. The FIA wants F1 to get serious about cutting costs.
Cue the bluffing, as Luca de Montezemolo of Ferrari and Max Mosley of the FIA strut their stuff in the schoolyard. Mosley says that F1 will be just fine without Ferrari - which it won't. De Montezemolo is signaling that Ferrari might be fine without F1 - which they won't. It would be pathetic if there weren't so much at stake.
Ferrari's board certainly need to discuss Formula One. But what they should be talking about is their team's sudden inability to build a reliable car, and the chronic confusion that has typified their team's tactical calls this season.
Never mind wasting money: they are wasting the talents of Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen
Paul Thompson 'Hooligan'
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RIP F1 - long live something else....:thumbsup:
Plenty of other motorsport options out there and many would benefit immensely from a cash injection + greater exposure.
Plenty of other motorsport options out there and many would benefit immensely from a cash injection + greater exposure.
all true, but (talking against my eating pasta italiano nature) I think they just made a shitty car for this season.
Ross Brown made several M.Schumacher's car in the past,if he still will be in Ferrari staff, we will have once again a red dominance around the world,and we will be here debating about the skill of Kimi or Felipe.
It simply means..this british engeneer is better than the one working now for maranello (and also better of his mate in Mclaren..). Period.
I suppose that real good engeneers doing this serie are always the same (Brown..Neway..also if he is a shit in driving the gt40s..
),and very few other fellows.
It is honestly one of the nicest season since several years...unknown and never considered champion pilots forward to all.This is cool, finally something interesting and a chanche for other smaller teams.
Wonder really what will happen,if ferrari leaves circus (followed by renault and all the others).
this will be finally the "garagisti championship" (u should know garagisti was the nickname old Enzo use to give to british teams of the 60s cause they didnt make an own complete car..)
I still think ferrari should care more.. a LOT more of the greatest market of the world.Do they need maybe a Nascar ferrari?..lets try it..why not?they need a IRL /cart?..Dallara rejected son already wellknows a lot about this.
And I really dont think they will win so easy.
It is incredible this claimed formula one races in china..dubai..singapore,loosing France ,soon UK and Monza.
Just business?..so do it right !
If I am not wrong in Indianapolis they have 500.000 people looking race live..is a big fiesta for all..kids all over enjoying the event.Formula one is NOT such way, american wellknows that and simply dont follow the serie.
imho is insane in 2009.
The P4 we all love..remains in history for its historical brutal arrival in daytona 1967..and Daytona is not in Singapore that has really few about motorsports.
just my 2 cents..
Ross Brown made several M.Schumacher's car in the past,if he still will be in Ferrari staff, we will have once again a red dominance around the world,and we will be here debating about the skill of Kimi or Felipe.
It simply means..this british engeneer is better than the one working now for maranello (and also better of his mate in Mclaren..). Period.
I suppose that real good engeneers doing this serie are always the same (Brown..Neway..also if he is a shit in driving the gt40s..
),and very few other fellows.It is honestly one of the nicest season since several years...unknown and never considered champion pilots forward to all.This is cool, finally something interesting and a chanche for other smaller teams.
Wonder really what will happen,if ferrari leaves circus (followed by renault and all the others).
this will be finally the "garagisti championship" (u should know garagisti was the nickname old Enzo use to give to british teams of the 60s cause they didnt make an own complete car..)I still think ferrari should care more.. a LOT more of the greatest market of the world.Do they need maybe a Nascar ferrari?..lets try it..why not?they need a IRL /cart?..Dallara rejected son already wellknows a lot about this.
And I really dont think they will win so easy.
It is incredible this claimed formula one races in china..dubai..singapore,loosing France ,soon UK and Monza.
Just business?..so do it right !
If I am not wrong in Indianapolis they have 500.000 people looking race live..is a big fiesta for all..kids all over enjoying the event.Formula one is NOT such way, american wellknows that and simply dont follow the serie.
imho is insane in 2009.
The P4 we all love..remains in history for its historical brutal arrival in daytona 1967..and Daytona is not in Singapore that has really few about motorsports.
just my 2 cents..
Oh good most of the world will get to see only part of the grid race. Then they will know what a disgraceful show they put on at indy. Sour grapes maybe but this would have never been allowed to happen at on of the "premier" events.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Hi guys, I'm writing this in Athens on my way to Monaco to see Ferrari turn up and Webber win. Dave's earlier comment re the Fcars are spot on the money. No way will Ferrari pull out. Sabre rattling and media hype combined.
What we have here is a classic case of weak leadership. We have a) an old pervert who's also a closet nazi, and b) a mega-ego classless and crass ninny in the senior roles of F1 leadership. So what do we expect? Of course it's anarchy and breakdown. These two children couldn't lead their way out of a wet paper bag.
What they both have in spades is a seasoned sense of self-preservation and cut throat instincts. That's not leadership, that's just being narrow minded.
Get rid of these losers! Time for some seasoned and professional leaders who can build consensus and get the job done.
Because of their ages it won't be long before they're gone from this earth. But, they're both damaging to the sport and that will be their legacy. How is it you could get to where you are in life and sport/business and not have accumulated some greater level of life wisdom?? Remarkable.
What they both have in spades is a seasoned sense of self-preservation and cut throat instincts. That's not leadership, that's just being narrow minded.
Get rid of these losers! Time for some seasoned and professional leaders who can build consensus and get the job done.
Because of their ages it won't be long before they're gone from this earth. But, they're both damaging to the sport and that will be their legacy. How is it you could get to where you are in life and sport/business and not have accumulated some greater level of life wisdom?? Remarkable.
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