GT40s at Goodwood Revival 2013
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Another update to account for the realization that the ficticious P/1101 is actually the rebodied M3/1101 (see here).
Whitsun Trophy entrants (n=28)
#1 -- GT105 prototype -- Huff | Meins
#2 -- GT40 P/1062 -- David Hart | Hans Hugenholtz
#3 -- GT40 P/1024 -- EFX 226C -- Albuquerque | Franklin
#4 -- GT40 P/1055 -- Gavin Henderson | Henderson
#5 -- GT40 P/1010 -- VRE 777G -- Adrian Newey | Kenny Bräck
#6 -- GT40 P/1022 -- Manuel Ferrao | Martin Stretton
#7 -- GT40 P/1071 -- VKX 337E -- Finburgh | Wood
#8 -- GT40 P/1042 -- GRT 94C -- Vincent Neurisse | Tancogne
#9 -- J-9 -- Robs Lamplough | Law
#10 -- GT40 P/1069 -- AHK 940F -- Studer | Conrad Ulrich
#11 -- GEL007 -- GUN 805D -- Cuff | Soper
#12 -- GT40 P/1127 -- JMY 5 -- Newall | Young
#13 -- GT40 P/1025 -- TES 1 E -- Lynn | Pirro
#14 -- GT40 P/1006 -- Henri Pescarolo | Fabien Sarrailh
#15 -- GT40 P/1019 -- Joaquin Folch-Rusinol | Hadfield
#16 -- GT40 M3/1101 aka P/1101 -- 7 BPM -- Buncombe | Wallace
#17 -- GT40 P/1053 -- GT K 40 -- Chiles | McErlain
#18 -- GEL003 Gelscoe -- 111 JU -- Gans | Wright
#19 -- GT40 P/1080 -- Lee Maxted-Page | Prill
#20 -- GT40 P/1079 -- CS GT 40 -- Mathai | Stippler
#21 -- GT40 P/1012 -- De Dryver | Lecou
#22 -- GT40 P/1016 -- Claude Nahum | Bernard Thuner
#23 -- GT40 P/1029 -- 1 MUF -- Jimi Cottingham | Smith
#24 -- GT40 P/1113 -- Courage | Schlesinger
#27 -- GT40 P/1027 -- Devis | Dumolin
#28 -- GT40 P/1012 replica -- Lopez | Moulin
#37 -- GT40 P/1041 -- JUX 462D -- Jordan | Walker
#194 -- GT/111 roadster -- Rui Macedo Silva | Macedo Silva
Other GT40s at the Revival (n=13)
#2 -- GT40 P/1008 -- FMC 1
#2 -- GT40 P/1046
#7 -- XGT-2 -- JTR 374D
#12 -- GT40 P/1078 -- XSU 161
#14 -- M1/10002 Gelscoe replica
#17 -- GT40 P/1070 -- XBL 345E
#24 -- AM-GT2
#34 -- GT40 P/1084
n/a -- GT40 P/1007 -- LBH 416C
n/a -- GT40 P/1017 -- EPR 525D
n/a -- GT40 P/1085 -- YGV 39G
n/a -- GT40 M3/1103 -- YPE 798G
n/a -- GT40 M3/1107 -- DWC 8G
#1 -- GT105 prototype -- Huff | Meins
#2 -- GT40 P/1062 -- David Hart | Hans Hugenholtz
#3 -- GT40 P/1024 -- EFX 226C -- Albuquerque | Franklin
#4 -- GT40 P/1055 -- Gavin Henderson | Henderson
#5 -- GT40 P/1010 -- VRE 777G -- Adrian Newey | Kenny Bräck
#6 -- GT40 P/1022 -- Manuel Ferrao | Martin Stretton
#7 -- GT40 P/1071 -- VKX 337E -- Finburgh | Wood
#8 -- GT40 P/1042 -- GRT 94C -- Vincent Neurisse | Tancogne
#9 -- J-9 -- Robs Lamplough | Law
#10 -- GT40 P/1069 -- AHK 940F -- Studer | Conrad Ulrich
#11 -- GEL007 -- GUN 805D -- Cuff | Soper
#12 -- GT40 P/1127 -- JMY 5 -- Newall | Young
#13 -- GT40 P/1025 -- TES 1 E -- Lynn | Pirro
#14 -- GT40 P/1006 -- Henri Pescarolo | Fabien Sarrailh
#15 -- GT40 P/1019 -- Joaquin Folch-Rusinol | Hadfield
#16 -- GT40 M3/1101 aka P/1101 -- 7 BPM -- Buncombe | Wallace
#17 -- GT40 P/1053 -- GT K 40 -- Chiles | McErlain
#18 -- GEL003 Gelscoe -- 111 JU -- Gans | Wright
#19 -- GT40 P/1080 -- Lee Maxted-Page | Prill
#20 -- GT40 P/1079 -- CS GT 40 -- Mathai | Stippler
#21 -- GT40 P/1012 -- De Dryver | Lecou
#22 -- GT40 P/1016 -- Claude Nahum | Bernard Thuner
#23 -- GT40 P/1029 -- 1 MUF -- Jimi Cottingham | Smith
#24 -- GT40 P/1113 -- Courage | Schlesinger
#27 -- GT40 P/1027 -- Devis | Dumolin
#28 -- GT40 P/1012 replica -- Lopez | Moulin
#37 -- GT40 P/1041 -- JUX 462D -- Jordan | Walker
#194 -- GT/111 roadster -- Rui Macedo Silva | Macedo Silva
Other GT40s at the Revival (n=13)
#2 -- GT40 P/1008 -- FMC 1
#2 -- GT40 P/1046
#7 -- XGT-2 -- JTR 374D
#12 -- GT40 P/1078 -- XSU 161
#14 -- M1/10002 Gelscoe replica
#17 -- GT40 P/1070 -- XBL 345E
#24 -- AM-GT2
#34 -- GT40 P/1084
n/a -- GT40 P/1007 -- LBH 416C
n/a -- GT40 P/1017 -- EPR 525D
n/a -- GT40 P/1085 -- YGV 39G
n/a -- GT40 M3/1103 -- YPE 798G
n/a -- GT40 M3/1107 -- DWC 8G
I just came to that same conclusion! ;-)
http://www.gt40s.com/forum/original-gt40s/40454-real-m3-1101-a.html
http://www.gt40s.com/forum/original-gt40s/40454-real-m3-1101-a.html
Short summary article and absolutely fantastic photo gallery here:
Goodwood Revival 2013 - Ford GT40 Race Photos, Results, Report
Goodwood Revival 2013 - Ford GT40 Race Photos, Results, Report
Guess I should amend P/1029 to specify that the car is a replica, not an original.
Sorry to keep reposting this list with minor edits, but this forum software only allows me to edit previous posts for a limited time. Some other forums I belong to allow me to edit past posts indefinitely, which sure would cut down on the repeats. Any-hooo...
Sorry to keep reposting this list with minor edits, but this forum software only allows me to edit previous posts for a limited time. Some other forums I belong to allow me to edit past posts indefinitely, which sure would cut down on the repeats. Any-hooo...
Whitsun Trophy entrants (n=28)
#1 -- GT105 prototype -- Rob Huff | Richard Meins
#2 -- GT40 P/1062 -- David Hart | Hans Hugenholtz
#3 -- GT40 P/1024 -- EFX 226C -- José Manuel Albuquerque | ?? Franklin
#4 -- GT40 P/1055 -- Gavin Henderson | Rory Henderson
#5 -- GT40 P/1010 -- VRE 777G -- Adrian Newey | Kenny Bräck
#6 -- GT40 P/1022 -- Manuel Ferrao | Martin Stretton
#7 -- GT40 P/1071 -- VKX 337E -- Mark Finburgh | ?? Wood
#8 -- GT40 P/1042 -- GRT 94C -- Vincent Neurisse | ?? Tancogne
#9 -- J-9 -- Robs Lamplough | ?? Law
#10 -- GT40 P/1069 -- AHK 940F -- ?? Studer | Conrad Ulrich
#11 -- GEL007 -- GUN 805D -- David Cuff | Steve Soper
#12 -- GT40 P/1127 -- JMY 5 -- Andy Newall | ?? Young
#13 -- GT40 P/1025 -- TES 1 E -- Shaun Lynn | Emanuele Pirro
#14 -- GT40 P/1006 -- Henri Pescarolo | Fabien Sarrailh
#15 -- GT40 P/1019 -- Joaquin Folch-Rusinol | Simon Hadfield
#16 -- GT40 M3/1101 aka P/1101 -- 7 BPM -- Chris Buncombe | Andy Wallace
#17 -- GT40 P/1053 -- GT K 40 -- Chris Chiles | David McErlain
#18 -- GEL003 Gelscoe -- 111 JU -- Michael Gans | Jason Wright
#19 -- GT40 P/1080 -- Lee Maxted-Page | Andrew Prill
#20 -- GT40 P/1079 -- CS GT 40 -- Oliver Mathai | Frank Stippler
#21 -- GT40 P/1012 -- Bernard de Dryver | ?? Lecou
#22 -- GT40 P/1016 -- Claude Nahum | Bernard Thuner
#23 -- GT40 P/1029 replica -- 1 MUF -- James "Jimi" Cottingham | Andrew Smith
#24 -- GT40 P/1113 -- Yves Courage | Alain Schlesinger
#27 -- GT40 P/1027 -- Marc Devis | Christian Dumolin
#28 -- GT40 P/1012 replica -- ?? Lopez | Florent Moulin
#37 -- GT40 P/1041 -- JUX 462D -- Mike Jordan | Philip Walker
#194 -- GT/111 roadster -- Rui Macedo Silva | Pedro Macedo Silva
Other GT40s at the Revival (n=13)
#2 -- GT40 P/1008 -- FMC 1
#2 -- GT40 P/1046
#7 -- XGT-2 -- JTR 374D
#12 -- GT40 P/1078 -- XSU 161
#14 -- M1/10002 Gelscoe replica
#17 -- GT40 P/1070 -- XBL 345E
#24 -- AM-GT2
#34 -- GT40 P/1084
n/a -- GT40 P/1007 -- LBH 416C
n/a -- GT40 P/1017 -- EPR 525D
n/a -- GT40 P/1085 -- YGV 39G
n/a -- GT40 M3/1103 -- YPE 798G
n/a -- GT40 M3/1107 -- DWC 8G
#1 -- GT105 prototype -- Rob Huff | Richard Meins
#2 -- GT40 P/1062 -- David Hart | Hans Hugenholtz
#3 -- GT40 P/1024 -- EFX 226C -- José Manuel Albuquerque | ?? Franklin
#4 -- GT40 P/1055 -- Gavin Henderson | Rory Henderson
#5 -- GT40 P/1010 -- VRE 777G -- Adrian Newey | Kenny Bräck
#6 -- GT40 P/1022 -- Manuel Ferrao | Martin Stretton
#7 -- GT40 P/1071 -- VKX 337E -- Mark Finburgh | ?? Wood
#8 -- GT40 P/1042 -- GRT 94C -- Vincent Neurisse | ?? Tancogne
#9 -- J-9 -- Robs Lamplough | ?? Law
#10 -- GT40 P/1069 -- AHK 940F -- ?? Studer | Conrad Ulrich
#11 -- GEL007 -- GUN 805D -- David Cuff | Steve Soper
#12 -- GT40 P/1127 -- JMY 5 -- Andy Newall | ?? Young
#13 -- GT40 P/1025 -- TES 1 E -- Shaun Lynn | Emanuele Pirro
#14 -- GT40 P/1006 -- Henri Pescarolo | Fabien Sarrailh
#15 -- GT40 P/1019 -- Joaquin Folch-Rusinol | Simon Hadfield
#16 -- GT40 M3/1101 aka P/1101 -- 7 BPM -- Chris Buncombe | Andy Wallace
#17 -- GT40 P/1053 -- GT K 40 -- Chris Chiles | David McErlain
#18 -- GEL003 Gelscoe -- 111 JU -- Michael Gans | Jason Wright
#19 -- GT40 P/1080 -- Lee Maxted-Page | Andrew Prill
#20 -- GT40 P/1079 -- CS GT 40 -- Oliver Mathai | Frank Stippler
#21 -- GT40 P/1012 -- Bernard de Dryver | ?? Lecou
#22 -- GT40 P/1016 -- Claude Nahum | Bernard Thuner
#23 -- GT40 P/1029 replica -- 1 MUF -- James "Jimi" Cottingham | Andrew Smith
#24 -- GT40 P/1113 -- Yves Courage | Alain Schlesinger
#27 -- GT40 P/1027 -- Marc Devis | Christian Dumolin
#28 -- GT40 P/1012 replica -- ?? Lopez | Florent Moulin
#37 -- GT40 P/1041 -- JUX 462D -- Mike Jordan | Philip Walker
#194 -- GT/111 roadster -- Rui Macedo Silva | Pedro Macedo Silva
Other GT40s at the Revival (n=13)
#2 -- GT40 P/1008 -- FMC 1
#2 -- GT40 P/1046
#7 -- XGT-2 -- JTR 374D
#12 -- GT40 P/1078 -- XSU 161
#14 -- M1/10002 Gelscoe replica
#17 -- GT40 P/1070 -- XBL 345E
#24 -- AM-GT2
#34 -- GT40 P/1084
n/a -- GT40 P/1007 -- LBH 416C
n/a -- GT40 P/1017 -- EPR 525D
n/a -- GT40 P/1085 -- YGV 39G
n/a -- GT40 M3/1103 -- YPE 798G
n/a -- GT40 M3/1107 -- DWC 8G
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I've been to every single Goodwood Revival since it's inception. I wasn't going to go this year, but changed my mind when the all GT40 race was announced. It was quite a sight probably never to be repeated! I actually spent most of the weekend in the GT40 paddock looking at as many cars as possible in detail. The great thing about GT40's is they were all a little bit different. It is quite obvious that so many of the "original" cars have very few original parts on them. It's also obvious many have been re-tubbed have very few original parts. In fact the Gelscoe cars while recently produced are probably comparable more technically with period specification and cosmetic presentation than many of the supposed "originals"! The attention to period detail detail and workmanship is quite superb.
Dave I find this comparison pointless because Gelscoe, Superperformance, Holman and Moody, Southern GT, Tornado (etc) and every other "modern GT40" should be better than a fifty year original. If their not there something very wrong! In fact the modern GT40's panel lines and doors shuts are better than the originals had because they are hand built with no racing deadlines.
But the point you miss is that all the "modern racing GT40 cars" never had to compete in the 24 hours Le Mans in the 1960's. Even if they use original type parts they are brand new cars.
Basically whatevers left of the original car if it has an established history means obviously they were there at the time. They did not have the total development time that has built up with the GT40's now. In fact there were limited number of cars available an example would be GT40P/1004 which was converted into Gulf specs for the 1968 Spa (becoming GT40P/1084 in the process) When the JWAE team were short of a car. There must be in all forms of modern GT40 perhaps 4 or 5 times the amount of the original cars.
The "New GT40's" however, must be the future because of the Originals value and cost of the 'original parts' if you could get them in the event of a breakdown or crash.
I really like the fact that 'originals' have been retubbed or had parts changed to keep them racing.
I also like the fact that the prototype GT/105 and the GT Roadster were racing. I like the diversity. It was from the similar bodywork of the cars that raced especially the 1965 type cars that I really liked the 4 or 5 cars nose to tail racing. I still wondering what made the winners cars so much faster than the rest? As for the future what I do not want but might happen especial racing is that every 'GT40' is a Gulf spec clone.
I still cannot equate the MKIV Ford not being compedititive but this car and the MKII would have been designed for long distance racing and not sprints. They would be heavy in comparison to even the 1965 type MKI's?
Regards Allan
Allan, David, I enjoy this topic of "originality" etc although its a wee bit of a thread drift but its fascinating to me and I think amplifies what makes these cars so unique. I recall attending the Amelia Island Concours event two years ago when the 63 Ferrari GTO was the honored marque and as you can imagine some of the GTO'S in attendance were absolutely pristine. Every nut, bolt, belt, seat, fender was re-done to a tee but the one car that caught my eye and would have been the car I would take home if I had a gazillion $'s was the one with cracked paint, chicken wire in the brake ducts, worn seats, delaminated glass ding and dents etc. in my opinion this car was stunning. This car is how they should look......tattered and torn and raced to within an inch of its life and maintained enough only to keep it running. Were there any GT40's in attendance at Goodwood matching this condition?
Seymour Snerd
Lifetime Supporter
Do you really think you can reason from the results of any vintage race that the car is not competitive? What about the driver? How skillful is he, and how willing is he to risk that car in that environment (i.e. surrounded by a bunch of other questionable drivers)?
Dave
Your point about all the GT40's being in pristine condition. Were the ones that crashed and at the end of the race more to your liking? It was obviously not a 24 hour race that why they were not covered in oil.
Alan
It does not matter how skilled a driver is its in the main the car and the circuit that dictates the outcome.
Please do not quote me the 1961? Monaco GP with Moss winning in an under powered Lotus to the 156 Ferraris of Phill Hill,etc.
By all accounts if the MKIs were to pre 1966 spec they would be hard pressed to get up to 450bhp. Especially deprived of 70 bhp by not having Gurney Welslake head's,etc. Remembering in their times the later 1968/9 Gulf winning car were only on 412 bhp geared for Le Mans. I am assuming the cars now are geared and having more that that since this is a sprint race in comparison with an endurance race.
The MKIV's were on all accounts up to 530bhp. They are of course heavier than a MKI. But there was no three mile straight and no 12/24 hours to run in. Just a relatively short twisty circuit. And of course your are right that in the Whitsun Trophy were some out and out racers and some not!
Regards Allan
Your point about all the GT40's being in pristine condition. Were the ones that crashed and at the end of the race more to your liking? It was obviously not a 24 hour race that why they were not covered in oil.
Alan
It does not matter how skilled a driver is its in the main the car and the circuit that dictates the outcome.
Please do not quote me the 1961? Monaco GP with Moss winning in an under powered Lotus to the 156 Ferraris of Phill Hill,etc.
By all accounts if the MKIs were to pre 1966 spec they would be hard pressed to get up to 450bhp. Especially deprived of 70 bhp by not having Gurney Welslake head's,etc. Remembering in their times the later 1968/9 Gulf winning car were only on 412 bhp geared for Le Mans. I am assuming the cars now are geared and having more that that since this is a sprint race in comparison with an endurance race.
The MKIV's were on all accounts up to 530bhp. They are of course heavier than a MKI. But there was no three mile straight and no 12/24 hours to run in. Just a relatively short twisty circuit. And of course your are right that in the Whitsun Trophy were some out and out racers and some not!
Regards Allan
Hi Guys, can you help?
Does anyone know who rebuilt Adrian Neweys car after its huge crash, I have had a look arround the web but came to nothing. I would supose that a new gelsco or holman moody tub would have been the easy way to go or did he save what he could from the remains of the crashed tub. I sure it would be a good story.
Darrell
DRB #46
LS1 G50
Does anyone know who rebuilt Adrian Neweys car after its huge crash, I have had a look arround the web but came to nothing. I would supose that a new gelsco or holman moody tub would have been the easy way to go or did he save what he could from the remains of the crashed tub. I sure it would be a good story.
Darrell
DRB #46
LS1 G50
But the guys racing out there aren't top notch F1 stars. There was a very diverse mix of drivers, from recent top level drivers, to drivers who dabbled at the top flight many years ago down to complete amateurs.
The difference between an amateur and a pro can easily be upwards of 4-5 seconds a lap at a short track like this.
However J9, as far as I can tell, was piloted by Robs Lamplough and Justin Law, both former professional racers.
My guess is that they weren't pushing the car due to not owning the car.
From what I saw in the paddock with its preparation and in the race J-9 was being raced flat out. I asked them if the car was going to be put back to G-7A configuration and they said why!!!???? when the owner had had it built to MKIV specs.
#5 -- GT40 P/1010 -- VRE 777G -- Adrian Newey | Kenny Bräck
I thought that Brack who co-drove the winner with Newey had won the Indy 500?
Even in 1967 A.J. Foyt in Dan Gurneys winning J-5 MKIV was a rookie to endurance racing.
Regards Allan
I was surprised they it was not listed in the program. I am sure it did not have a number plate in 2010?
Regards Allan
