From what I have heard they could disable the cockpit voice recorder by pulling circuit breakers...not sure about the black box...aren't they two different pieces of machinery?
Doug
Malaysian Flight Missing
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From what I have heard they could disable the cockpit voice recorder by pulling circuit breakers...not sure about the black box...aren't they two different pieces of machinery?
Doug
Yes on both the Transponder and Cockpit Voice Recorder.
However, they would have to have had access to the Flight Data Recorder and 406MhZ Emergency Locator Beacon before the flight as both are located in the aft fuselage underneath the vertical stabilizer(tail), to physically remove electrical power. Also the FDR, CVR, and ELT have "G" switches that will activate both a radio, satellite beacons in the event of a crash. The underwater beacons are activated by submersion in water to assist in locating them.
Jim Rosenthal
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Assuming the black boxes are transmitting sound underwater, at least for the next week or two, how close to them does a towed array sonar have to be in order to hear them? Isn't the Indian Ocean about ten thousand feet deep in that area? Would the array have to be right overhead in order to detect pings, or would it be able to hear them miles off?
Good question Jim. I don't know. I do know if the ULB battery is fresh it will ping for a long time, probably a month.
What I can't get my head around is how nothing has been found. We have a B52 base @ Diego Garcia. I assume they would have been able to track 370?
I think it landed in Pakistan.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
The more I think about this, the more I'm leaning toward de-pressurization and a plane full of dead folks flying until the fuel ran out (Payne Stewart).
Its hard for me to imagine all those people just sitting there while they flew south, over ocean for hours after they should have landed. Certinally the cabin crew would have noticed that the cockpit was not answering.
I know the cockpit doors have been strengthned, but several hundred scared folks could get it open.
Now, I know the transponder stopped transmitting just before they turned and then no contact........that points to a human action....
But isn't it possable that whatever caused it to de-pressurize could also have cut out the transponder? Maybe the radio as well...
A blown out windshield, an exploding front tire/oxygen tank.......
Its hard for me to imagine all those people just sitting there while they flew south, over ocean for hours after they should have landed. Certinally the cabin crew would have noticed that the cockpit was not answering.
I know the cockpit doors have been strengthned, but several hundred scared folks could get it open.
Now, I know the transponder stopped transmitting just before they turned and then no contact........that points to a human action....
But isn't it possable that whatever caused it to de-pressurize could also have cut out the transponder? Maybe the radio as well...
A blown out windshield, an exploding front tire/oxygen tank.......
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Anything is possible Jim!
I'm told by pilot friends of mine that those in the cockpit of a commercial airliner have direct access/control of the cabin pressure if they wish to mess with it. Ditto the 'on/off' switch of the transponder...so to speak.
It would appear that the loons (one of them at least) in the cockpit of this plane probably DID.
Jim Rosenthal
Supporter
But why?
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
I think a depressurisation of the aircraft also, that doesn't explain turning of the transponder, or why Malaysia won't say what was in the cargo.
A loon is a loon, Doc. THAT's why...
I dunno, Jack. The 'loon agenda' makes more "sense"...if there's even any kind of "sense" to the whole thing at all...
Was the loon responsible for taking the target?
One would think it'd be faaaaaaar less 'complicated' to take someone down darned near anywhere w/o having to resort to bringing down an airliner (given all the logistics involved there).
'Just MHO...
I'd never thought I'd see this in China. So much for the 'inscrutable oriental'
BBC News - Malaysia Airlines MH370: Relatives in Beijing scuffles
I don't understand their motives, unless it's just an opportunity to vent their spleen on the Chinese Establishment..
BBC News - Malaysia Airlines MH370: Relatives in Beijing scuffles
I don't understand their motives, unless it's just an opportunity to vent their spleen on the Chinese Establishment..
Jim Rosenthal
Supporter
I think what this is about is that the Chinese authorities are also fed up with the Malaysians and their incompetence. So they are not interfering with their citizens protesting and they are meanwhile enjoying the view of Chinese private citizens making the Malaysians look terrible. Not that the Malaysians need any help looking foolish; they are doing fine on their own, thank you.
If the Chinese citizens were criticizing their own government the way they are the Malaysians, things might be different. Look what happened in the school collapses; the government was directly responsible for those deaths, but that didn't stop them shutting their own citizens up.
If the Chinese citizens were criticizing their own government the way they are the Malaysians, things might be different. Look what happened in the school collapses; the government was directly responsible for those deaths, but that didn't stop them shutting their own citizens up.
Considering the million's of dollars being spent by multiple countries in the attempts to find this plane (and the not inconsiderable risk taken daily, by the very brave men and women involved in the search), IF I were in control of this search effort, I would be very tempted to grab a piece of a decommissioned 777, fly it out to the south Indian Ocean in a C130 and throw it out the back, just before the next search vessel arrive on scene, call it a day and get back to other matters.
(is that the world's longest sentence ever?)
In the meantime, is it just me, or is there something very reassuring about our not being able to explain away everything that happens on our little planet?
Who would have thought that Steve Fossett could have simply flown into a down-draft and hit a mountain? Lost for years. On the mainland continent of the USA? Really? How could that be?
FFS. There are caves on Earth, that we don';t know how deep they go, Ocean floors that we possibly will never set foot on. SHIT HAPPENS people and I personally am very happy to know that we DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING and that some things are beyond our control.
There is not always someone to blame.
(is that the world's longest sentence ever?)
In the meantime, is it just me, or is there something very reassuring about our not being able to explain away everything that happens on our little planet?
Who would have thought that Steve Fossett could have simply flown into a down-draft and hit a mountain? Lost for years. On the mainland continent of the USA? Really? How could that be?
FFS. There are caves on Earth, that we don';t know how deep they go, Ocean floors that we possibly will never set foot on. SHIT HAPPENS people and I personally am very happy to know that we DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING and that some things are beyond our control.
There is not always someone to blame.
