Might have an interesting impact on high performance cars.....
- Thread starter Ron Earp
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Don't you hate seeing things like this.
The incident was a tragedy, but now it will likely affect more then those directly involved. Handling problems? Non-disclosed Handling Problems? Bad flagman? Track mis-configuration? Bad Ferrari driver?… the lawyers will have lots of fun with this for years. Where does it end?
Sandy
The incident was a tragedy, but now it will likely affect more then those directly involved. Handling problems? Non-disclosed Handling Problems? Bad flagman? Track mis-configuration? Bad Ferrari driver?… the lawyers will have lots of fun with this for years. Where does it end?
Sandy
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Motor sport is dangerous, always has been. But I would contend that any track day no matter how inept the marshals or the position of the barriers, is safer than the drive to the track.
I am sick and tired op people doing "extreme" stuff and then trying to blame someone else when it goes pear shaped.
Of course without that certain breed of lawyers known as "Ambulance chasers", this sort of litigation would not happen.
I am sick and tired op people doing "extreme" stuff and then trying to blame someone else when it goes pear shaped.
Of course without that certain breed of lawyers known as "Ambulance chasers", this sort of litigation would not happen.
these are the things we always hear in the netherlands
we always talk about using 'your commen sense' what i mean by that is that everyone is responseble for his own mistakes
if you buy a high power car you should use your commen sense, that even if your car can drive that fast can you?
here in europe if someone dies because he didn't wear his seat belt we don't say that the manufacturer should have acted as if the driver was a child to put a sticker on the dash with the words put your seatbelt on or in case of a.............we blame the driver because it's his own fault.
I know that it's not always that simple ofcourse and i feel sorry for the ones left behind but if you've got the feeling that such a car doesn't handle right you should be double as careful with such a car
I think that if enyone of you who drive powerfull cars aren't sure about the handling or don't realy trust the car are you going to drive that car then at high speed to see what happens?
its always easier to blame others and especialy if you can sew them .
frank
we always talk about using 'your commen sense' what i mean by that is that everyone is responseble for his own mistakes
if you buy a high power car you should use your commen sense, that even if your car can drive that fast can you?
here in europe if someone dies because he didn't wear his seat belt we don't say that the manufacturer should have acted as if the driver was a child to put a sticker on the dash with the words put your seatbelt on or in case of a.............we blame the driver because it's his own fault.
I know that it's not always that simple ofcourse and i feel sorry for the ones left behind but if you've got the feeling that such a car doesn't handle right you should be double as careful with such a car
I think that if enyone of you who drive powerfull cars aren't sure about the handling or don't realy trust the car are you going to drive that car then at high speed to see what happens?
its always easier to blame others and especialy if you can sew them .
frank
Howard Jones
Supporter
I have two observations.
1. The passenger had NO idea who he was riding with.
2. I generally think that armature drivers shouldn't take ride alongs at speed. Things are difficult enough without another person in the car. I don't like riding in a fast car on track and I won't do ride alongs in my car.
1. The passenger had NO idea who he was riding with.
2. I generally think that armature drivers shouldn't take ride alongs at speed. Things are difficult enough without another person in the car. I don't like riding in a fast car on track and I won't do ride alongs in my car.
Frivolous lawsuits like this one cost us all. Now the track has to hire expensive lawyers and pay more for insurance - higher track day fees. Porsche (and its insurers) have to bear the costs of litigation and any award which is made - more expensive porsches. It goes on and on....
And this comes from the wife of a (now dead) highly successful, and presumably wealthy, professional guy??? I suppose the target $award is designed to keep her in the style she has become accustomed to?? Oh no, she just might have to get a job now.....poor thing.
The bottom line is when you drive onto the track you assume all the risks (disclosed or not) of a dangerous and potentially fatal environment including stupid other drivers, blind track workers, misplaced barriers, etc. If you can't handle the risks involved then you simply shouldn't be there. Don't blame it on the lawyers - they don't create these cases. It's the plaintiff that starts this mess.
And this comes from the wife of a (now dead) highly successful, and presumably wealthy, professional guy??? I suppose the target $award is designed to keep her in the style she has become accustomed to?? Oh no, she just might have to get a job now.....poor thing.
The bottom line is when you drive onto the track you assume all the risks (disclosed or not) of a dangerous and potentially fatal environment including stupid other drivers, blind track workers, misplaced barriers, etc. If you can't handle the risks involved then you simply shouldn't be there. Don't blame it on the lawyers - they don't create these cases. It's the plaintiff that starts this mess.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
CliffBeer said:
I'm not that sure about that Cliff, there are honourable lawyers and less than honourable lawyers. Plenty in this country specialise in accident litigation and advertise on a no win no fee basis. Of course if the plaintiff wins most of the loot goes in fees.
We had a case similar to this in the UK some years back. A motorcylclist was involved on a bike only track day when he came upon a slower bike returning to the pits, on a blind bend. It either killed him or turned him into a paraplegic, I can't really remember. Nasty which ever way! However this case had far reaching consequences for track days here and the whole basis of track days changed in the subesequent years. It became nigh on impossible to get insurance cover for a while but then some sense returned and the circuit owners took action to get insurance, but we paid a price in higher track day fees and loads of paperwork for organisers. Guess you guys can now expect the same!
I hope this case gets thrown out. It is similar to buying a gun. You need to get a particular license to own/use it, but ultimately it is the responsibility of the owner to practice it's safe use.
The lawsuit claims that Keaton had been complaining of handeling issues; wouldn't it be HIS responsibility to bring this up with Porsche BEFORE doing a 145mph sales pitch? Did he think that perhaps talking to a stranger while driving nearly 3 times highway speeds during the controlled caos of a trackday event would fix the handeling issues? I think Keatons parents should be sued for producing a defective product.
The lawsuit claims that Keaton had been complaining of handeling issues; wouldn't it be HIS responsibility to bring this up with Porsche BEFORE doing a 145mph sales pitch? Did he think that perhaps talking to a stranger while driving nearly 3 times highway speeds during the controlled caos of a trackday event would fix the handeling issues? I think Keatons parents should be sued for producing a defective product.
Cliff
Beyond money..I suspect the wife is bitter/angry and looking for someone
to suffer the consequences. But as most have observed...the true
root cause was her husband buying/operating a car he was
not skillful enough to handle. But wives are funny that way...
MikeD
Beyond money..I suspect the wife is bitter/angry and looking for someone
to suffer the consequences. But as most have observed...the true
root cause was her husband buying/operating a car he was
not skillful enough to handle. But wives are funny that way...
MikeD
The analogy t o a gun is a good one Andy!
Not sure about track days in US but do officials not instruct drivers entering the track to stay off the racing line and get up to speed as quickly as possible. That is imperative and if there is something wrong with the car either pull off the circuit or stay well away from the racing line.
Also bearing in mind the nature of track days, which is not racing, and the variable skill levels and awareness that are bound to be out there, any driver overtaking a slower car should make allowance for unexpected manouvres, funny lines etc. Particularly at track entry points.
I think the blame here lies equally with both drivers. The passenger willingly put himself into a potentially dangerous situation knowing he had no control over outcomes and paid the price.
To chase anyone with lawsuits for your husbands stupidity is just as stupid. Shit happens. Learn from it and get over it!
Just my 2c
Regards
Not sure about track days in US but do officials not instruct drivers entering the track to stay off the racing line and get up to speed as quickly as possible. That is imperative and if there is something wrong with the car either pull off the circuit or stay well away from the racing line.
Also bearing in mind the nature of track days, which is not racing, and the variable skill levels and awareness that are bound to be out there, any driver overtaking a slower car should make allowance for unexpected manouvres, funny lines etc. Particularly at track entry points.
I think the blame here lies equally with both drivers. The passenger willingly put himself into a potentially dangerous situation knowing he had no control over outcomes and paid the price.
To chase anyone with lawsuits for your husbands stupidity is just as stupid. Shit happens. Learn from it and get over it!
Just my 2c
Regards
flatchat(Chris)
Supporter
Who knows ? I reckon him and his passenger formed a pact to go "out" in style -- just to get away from the Bi..., er, wife.
We've had a few incidents like this in Aus.which usually prompts more paper work and higher fees at track days.
Some have passed away at the track from a brain hemorrhage or a heart attack --- "Are you ready for the unexpected !!"
I'll go along with Russ' final coment
We've had a few incidents like this in Aus.which usually prompts more paper work and higher fees at track days.
Some have passed away at the track from a brain hemorrhage or a heart attack --- "Are you ready for the unexpected !!"
I'll go along with Russ' final coment
bravo
"I think Keatons parents should be sued for producing a defective product."
I like this idea the best.
I am reminded of an aircraft accident 20+ years ago. This is no made up story. I'm sure I could find the incident report. but the story is....
A married guy and married woman were both killed when the aircraft impacted the ground. The investigation revealed the man, who was piloting the aircraft was drunk. The woman was giving him an oral treatment. They STOLE the aircraft. the pilot was a Student Pilot, meaning he was not allowed to carry passengers at any time. they were not married to each other.
The man's wife and the woman's husband sued the aircraft manufacturer and WON!
Totally rediculous. And so is this law suit. but, my guess is the courts will rule against the car maker, track, enthusiast etc. The poor widow will get tons of money, in addition to the huge insurance check she already is getting plus the small amount from the govt. She will live the high life, find a new man, and soon forget about the first.
time will tell.
Dan
"I think Keatons parents should be sued for producing a defective product."
I like this idea the best.
I am reminded of an aircraft accident 20+ years ago. This is no made up story. I'm sure I could find the incident report. but the story is....
A married guy and married woman were both killed when the aircraft impacted the ground. The investigation revealed the man, who was piloting the aircraft was drunk. The woman was giving him an oral treatment. They STOLE the aircraft. the pilot was a Student Pilot, meaning he was not allowed to carry passengers at any time. they were not married to each other.
The man's wife and the woman's husband sued the aircraft manufacturer and WON!
Totally rediculous. And so is this law suit. but, my guess is the courts will rule against the car maker, track, enthusiast etc. The poor widow will get tons of money, in addition to the huge insurance check she already is getting plus the small amount from the govt. She will live the high life, find a new man, and soon forget about the first.
time will tell.
Dan
Danoh1 said:
Only in America!
High Performance Aircraft crash
How did the investigators determine she was servicing the pilot? Surely she must have realised she wasn't the only one going down. Perhaps she should have been piloting, she obviously has terrific concentration to the task at hand.
I agree, only in America. If only this were the case.
Cheers
Jack
How did the investigators determine she was servicing the pilot? Surely she must have realised she wasn't the only one going down. Perhaps she should have been piloting, she obviously has terrific concentration to the task at hand.
I agree, only in America. If only this were the case.
Cheers
Jack
