More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.
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Nice, logical discussion!
I'm with you 110%, Sir Mark!
Great minds think alike, right, Pete? I said as much in my post.....
One of my favorite books is an old science fiction piece called "Earth Abides"...the title was no doubt paraphrased from what I recall (and, keep in mind, I have NEVER had a good memory, much less for religious issues) as this biblical quote:
"Men may come and men may go, but earth abides."
Ecclasiastes 1:4 reads (and this is the closest I could Google up):
"Generations come and generations go, but the world stays just the same."
Long after mankind has met its demise the earth will still be here...I guess the question on all our minds is "In what condition will the earth survive?"
THAT is the essential question here, and sadly none of us will survive to find out the answer!
Before anyone grumbles about me bringing up religion, let me state emphatically that I am not a religious zealot, in fact I might not even be able to call myself a Christian, as my spirituality follows that of the Native American Indians more than anything...they were of the belief that mankind does not own the earth, that no "human being" (as they called themselves) has a right to claim ownership of any part of the earth, and that we are nothing more than caretakers of the earth during our lives...they believed in spirits, but not necessarily Gods....'nuff said!
Cheers!
Doug
I know a guy who is of Jewish-Cherokee heritage. He used to own a hod dog stand. I suggested he open a Jewish-American Indian restaurant and call it Jewronimo's!
And that is a true story.
And that is a true story.
LMAO, LB!
...and that's a true story, too!
Love a good pun...sarcasm and puns are signs of higher level cognitive skills and the ability to function within the realm of abstraction....not to mention just plain fun!
Cheers!
Doug
...and that's a true story, too!
Love a good pun...sarcasm and puns are signs of higher level cognitive skills and the ability to function within the realm of abstraction....not to mention just plain fun!
Cheers!
Doug
Just a friendly update on the Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax with a brand spankin' new article by Forbes.com (yes, craik, we know its an extreme Right Wing propaganda machine).
"Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data."
Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record - Forbes
"Indeed, none of the mainstream media are covering this important story. A Google News search of the terms Antarctic, sea ice and record turns up not a single article on the Antarctic sea ice record. Amusingly, page after page of Google News results for Antarctic sea ice record show links to news articles breathlessly spreading fear and warning of calamity because Arctic sea ice recently set a 33-year low."
"Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data."
Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record - Forbes
"Indeed, none of the mainstream media are covering this important story. A Google News search of the terms Antarctic, sea ice and record turns up not a single article on the Antarctic sea ice record. Amusingly, page after page of Google News results for Antarctic sea ice record show links to news articles breathlessly spreading fear and warning of calamity because Arctic sea ice recently set a 33-year low."
Bob,
Whilst the reasons for it can be debated the world is in my opinion (along with NASA's it would appear) getting warmer.
AOL.co.uk -Video - Nasa Video Shows How Earth Has Got Warmer Since 1880
P.S. not sure if NASA is Republican or Democrat guess it depends which view you support.
Whilst the reasons for it can be debated the world is in my opinion (along with NASA's it would appear) getting warmer.
AOL.co.uk -Video - Nasa Video Shows How Earth Has Got Warmer Since 1880
P.S. not sure if NASA is Republican or Democrat guess it depends which view you support.
Bob,
Whilst the reasons for it can be debated the world is in my opinion (along with NASA's it would appear) getting warmer.
AOL.co.uk -Video - Nasa Video Shows How Earth Has Got Warmer Since 1880
P.S. not sure if NASA is Republican or Democrat guess it depends which view you support.
I was wondering how NASA was going to show "climate change from 1880" in a video, BUT, get this, Nick, its a CARTOON! Where's their data? What proof do they have?????
p.s. NASA has been told to drop the science and concentrate on a "Muslim Outreach" which explains a lot about the budget for your cartoon link above!
we have proof from NASA that they have bin on the moon...
they were sleepwalking there ;-)
They can show a lot to us, things they want or try to make us believe or say only "half" the truett...just like some other people in power, say the oil people or the perhaps the army? or the banks etc? all very trusty people (we hope...but are they).
they were sleepwalking there ;-)
They can show a lot to us, things they want or try to make us believe or say only "half" the truett...just like some other people in power, say the oil people or the perhaps the army? or the banks etc? all very trusty people (we hope...but are they).
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Instead of getting your science from Forbes, you might want to get your science from, well, scientists.
Why Antarctic Sea Ice Is Growing in a Warmer World
Why Antarctic Sea Ice Is Growing in a Warmer World
Lots of "mights" and "ifs" and "overlooked old satellite" data to be toying with. They don't know and they are "might iffing" things the way they want them to turn out. How many times have they come up with all these "mights" and "ifs" and "overlooked old satellite" data snippets and still been wrong?
Remember, the title of this thread is, "More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax."
p.s. Forbes has their own scientific sources. Oh, and yes, National Geographic has jumped the liberal shark too.
Remember, the title of this thread is, "More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax."
p.s. Forbes has their own scientific sources. Oh, and yes, National Geographic has jumped the liberal shark too.
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
I see. So an opinion/blog piece on Forbes carries more weight with you than an explanation by climate scientists in National Geographic (that has "jumped the liberal shark?" what?)
You're hopeless.
And, while we're at it big NY Times headline that wind power is biting the dust without the one billion dollar annual subsidies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/b...-wind-power-industry.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/b...-wind-power-industry.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I have two client in Scotland currently installing Wind Turbines. Neither would bother if not for the subsidies I am sure.
And the end-user subsidies to the manufacturer's subsidies and the rest of us are getting screwed on energy costs to support a very tiny group who benefit.
Not really fair.You guys keep banging on about fairness in taxation! Really. Why bother! All those people you claim are taxed too much compared to the rich, are taxd even further through bull shit like renewables.
And the end-user subsidies to the manufacturer's subsidies and the rest of us are getting screwed on energy costs to support a very tiny group who benefit.
Not really fair.You guys keep banging on about fairness in taxation! Really. Why bother! All those people you claim are taxed too much compared to the rich, are taxd even further through bull shit like renewables.
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Explain to me what these subsidies are Bob. There is the tax credit, what else? No on is handing out money to build wind farms in the US.
This debate comes up every year and every year the credit is renewed.
Installed cost of wind is down to the same price as coal (for on sore). Off shore is more expensive but more promising. Latest study is we could power 1/2 of the Eastern grid with wind.
Never understood why "kind of power gen" is "political." Both sides should be for what works (including all costs of externalities, which coal and other fossils don't pay right now).
If all that's true, why are the companies making wind turbines in trouble? Why will they fail if they aren't subsidized? Its the NY Times, how could they be wrong????
Its political because the left has made it a priority over much more efficient means of energy delivery, which they want to eliminate.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHL404zhcU]Barack Obama Admits: Energy Prices Will Skyrocket Under Cap And Trade - YouTube[/ame]
And naturally, that's what is needed to fix the economy, skyrocketing energy!!!!
Its political because the left has made it a priority over much more efficient means of energy delivery, which they want to eliminate.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHL404zhcU]Barack Obama Admits: Energy Prices Will Skyrocket Under Cap And Trade - YouTube[/ame]
And naturally, that's what is needed to fix the economy, skyrocketing energy!!!!
Bob,
Can you confirm if this is true what the up to date figures are, and what the decommissioning costs are.
"In the United States, the federal government has paid US$74 billion for energy subsidies to support R&D for nuclear power ($50 billion) and fossil fuels ($24 billion) from 1973 to 2003. During this same timeframe, renewable energy technologies and energy efficiency received a total of US$26 billion"
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