United Kingdom In or Out?
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Ian Anderson
Lifetime Supporter
Is it United Kingdom?
Scotland still wants out
But wants to say in the EU for the handouts
Wales is pretty well the same
Ireland ... Who knows
So that leaves England, and they can never agree on anything
So it will be a close thing.
Personally I hope out as I see such a waste of money adding another level of politicians who are all on the gravy train, we could also take control of the borders after the tunnel gets flooded to stop top that route
Just my 2p worth
Ian
Scotland still wants out
But wants to say in the EU for the handouts
Wales is pretty well the same
Ireland ... Who knows
So that leaves England, and they can never agree on anything
So it will be a close thing.
Personally I hope out as I see such a waste of money adding another level of politicians who are all on the gravy train, we could also take control of the borders after the tunnel gets flooded to stop top that route
Just my 2p worth
Ian
It'll be initially a UK vote. If Scotland want to stay in following a UK outvote, then they'll have to a) secede and then b) negotiate separately for membership. However, there are a few other nations with irons in the fire, who will not be keen to see Scotland remain 'in' in the event of a Brexit, and that would be Spain, lest the Basques get ideas above their station.
I was always an 'in' kind of guy, but following Hollande's assertion that the UK should pretty much give up sovereignty over anything that's left and become a homogenised part of a border free land mass to which we are not even physically adjoined, I say enough is enough.
Adolf Hitler & Napoleon would be chuckling.....
I was always an 'in' kind of guy, but following Hollande's assertion that the UK should pretty much give up sovereignty over anything that's left and become a homogenised part of a border free land mass to which we are not even physically adjoined, I say enough is enough.
Adolf Hitler & Napoleon would be chuckling.....
It seems that part of belonging to the EU is the bailing out of monetarily irresponsible countries, in which case I would opt out.
In because with a few small tweeks it will be good for us.
Bob
Bob
Sorted :uneasy:
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Id get out, and also block the chunnel. Seriously what has being a member done for the U.K apart from an influx of immigrants who go straight on welfare?
Out
We'll take you back :laugh::laugh::laugh:
We'll take you back :laugh::laugh::laugh:
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
If the vote in 2017 is to remain in this fucking mess- that the E.u. has become ( in no small way because of Merkel and her open door policy [which has now become immigrant camps at the border crossing points sending ecomigrants back to their hovels in Pakistan and Turkey etc] ) - Cameron will have riots the like of which Britain has never seen (not even the Poll Tax riots). Watch the amount of people secreting their wealth into places
George 'funny boy'Osborne cannot hope to find prior to the 2017 vote. This is just a small taste of things to come - and look out U.S.A. and Canada - they will be arriving on your shores soon.
George 'funny boy'Osborne cannot hope to find prior to the 2017 vote. This is just a small taste of things to come - and look out U.S.A. and Canada - they will be arriving on your shores soon.
We've been a net contributor (that's our tax money) each & every year of Common Market / EEC / EU membership, there's nothing on the cards to change that.
Pretty much destroyed our fishing industry, amongst many others.
An unworkable / unsafe open borders policy.
An unstoppable juggernaut of federalism.
Crazy single currency, with net results for all to see.
Out please.
Regards Steve
Pretty much destroyed our fishing industry, amongst many others.
An unworkable / unsafe open borders policy.
An unstoppable juggernaut of federalism.
Crazy single currency, with net results for all to see.
Out please.
Regards Steve
Bumped back to the top.
Any more UK correspondents out there ?
Any more UK correspondents out there ?
Thanks Stephen, perhaps they need another 40 years to make their minds up. We really are an apathetic bunch sometimes....
Jeremy Corbin and his union paymasters are the elephants in this particular room - if it is anything like the original referendum, when the unions were vehemently opposed to the EEC and thus helped decide for many, that if the unions don't like it then it must be good! Such was the simplistic thinking that dominated the industrial strife ridden British Isles back then (that and a complete lack of pertinent information) but I have no reason to believe that in this instance, history will not repeat itself..
With one fundamental difference..if I am still around at referendum time, I personally will NOT be swayed by what the unions think - this time.
Jeremy Corbin and his union paymasters are the elephants in this particular room - if it is anything like the original referendum, when the unions were vehemently opposed to the EEC and thus helped decide for many, that if the unions don't like it then it must be good! Such was the simplistic thinking that dominated the industrial strife ridden British Isles back then (that and a complete lack of pertinent information) but I have no reason to believe that in this instance, history will not repeat itself..
With one fundamental difference..if I am still around at referendum time, I personally will NOT be swayed by what the unions think - this time.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
For those of you that think the EU is the place to be, read this:
Subject: Reason there has been a blackout on news of Asylum seekers.
This is from a retired RAF officer who served in the sixties and is now working and living in Germany.
Dear Friends,
Europe is now in total chaos and I think that you should know about it.
I have waited a week or so to see how things will develop and to glean more information before presenting the facts.
As you may know from the media, the flood of refugees cum economic immigrants into Europe has reached ridiculous proportions and to the extent that Hungary and other Balkan states have closed their borders and Turkey is considering doing the same. No news of this is forthcoming from the media’s of the countries of Europe.
Angela Merkel in an ill-advised speech to the Bundestag welcomed all refugees to Germany and the floodgates opened and, in my view, this was all pre-planned beginning with the Pope’s appeal last year for Islam to move closer to Christianity. This was then followed up via the Italian Government instructing the Italian Navy to rescue all boat refugees and bring them to Italy.
As a result, it seems that some 8000 people per day are now entering Europe via various routes. Most of these are young males between 17 and 25. The result is chaos as you can imagine.
Here in Saarland we have been overwhelmed with refugee’s mainly young males but some families In Lebach, some 10 kilometres from here, a camp for 200 was set up and a further 100 added this last week. The politicians, local government and religious leaders have fallen over themselves to bring them in and cater for them.
And so what is the result? In Ventimaglia near Monte Carlo, the refugees banded together (organized by smart phone) and over-ran the market and stole or destroyed everything and ransacked the town.
Here in Lebach, a group entered a supermarket and took what they wanted and destroyed the rest. When the Manageress confronted them, they called up their friends and smashed the place to bits. The police arrived but were overwhelmed. The supermarket is now closed.
Yesterday, my friends rang from Weissenfels near Leipzig since two supermarkets and a Kaufland store in Halle suffered the same way. More news is coming in from all over Germany of the same situations.
The media report none of this.
Many people have demonstrated against being over-run by immigrants. In Weissenfels, families were thrown out of an eight flat apartment block and 70 refugees moved in. Small towns of some 2000 to 3000 people are over-run by some 5000 to 6000 refugees.
Civil unrest is apparent and is just boiling under the surface. Europe is in chaos and the do-gooders have totally lost control of the situation. Islam has overwhelmed us.
For the Syrian and Afghan refugees, I have every sympathy and they need help. They should get it. But for the rest, in my view, the state authorities must be firm and send them back. Perhaps it is too late.
Anyway, I thought that you should know that the situation here is pretty grim and I fail to see how it can be resolved. I can only foresee a police state.
Subject: Reason there has been a blackout on news of Asylum seekers.
This is from a retired RAF officer who served in the sixties and is now working and living in Germany.
Dear Friends,
Europe is now in total chaos and I think that you should know about it.
I have waited a week or so to see how things will develop and to glean more information before presenting the facts.
As you may know from the media, the flood of refugees cum economic immigrants into Europe has reached ridiculous proportions and to the extent that Hungary and other Balkan states have closed their borders and Turkey is considering doing the same. No news of this is forthcoming from the media’s of the countries of Europe.
Angela Merkel in an ill-advised speech to the Bundestag welcomed all refugees to Germany and the floodgates opened and, in my view, this was all pre-planned beginning with the Pope’s appeal last year for Islam to move closer to Christianity. This was then followed up via the Italian Government instructing the Italian Navy to rescue all boat refugees and bring them to Italy.
As a result, it seems that some 8000 people per day are now entering Europe via various routes. Most of these are young males between 17 and 25. The result is chaos as you can imagine.
Here in Saarland we have been overwhelmed with refugee’s mainly young males but some families In Lebach, some 10 kilometres from here, a camp for 200 was set up and a further 100 added this last week. The politicians, local government and religious leaders have fallen over themselves to bring them in and cater for them.
And so what is the result? In Ventimaglia near Monte Carlo, the refugees banded together (organized by smart phone) and over-ran the market and stole or destroyed everything and ransacked the town.
Here in Lebach, a group entered a supermarket and took what they wanted and destroyed the rest. When the Manageress confronted them, they called up their friends and smashed the place to bits. The police arrived but were overwhelmed. The supermarket is now closed.
Yesterday, my friends rang from Weissenfels near Leipzig since two supermarkets and a Kaufland store in Halle suffered the same way. More news is coming in from all over Germany of the same situations.
The media report none of this.
Many people have demonstrated against being over-run by immigrants. In Weissenfels, families were thrown out of an eight flat apartment block and 70 refugees moved in. Small towns of some 2000 to 3000 people are over-run by some 5000 to 6000 refugees.
Civil unrest is apparent and is just boiling under the surface. Europe is in chaos and the do-gooders have totally lost control of the situation. Islam has overwhelmed us.
For the Syrian and Afghan refugees, I have every sympathy and they need help. They should get it. But for the rest, in my view, the state authorities must be firm and send them back. Perhaps it is too late.
Anyway, I thought that you should know that the situation here is pretty grim and I fail to see how it can be resolved. I can only foresee a police state.
I was under the impression that Germany desperately needs more young people. There is a baby shortage and an increasingly large elderly population. I think they see the short term immigration problem as a long term gain. I suppose when these migrants are trained and dispersed into the Germans manufacturing industries they will become an asset, at the very least they will become much needed tax paying citizens.
A Land Without Children: Why Won't Germans Have More Babies? - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Bob
A Land Without Children: Why Won't Germans Have More Babies? - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Bob
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