Webber Vs. Holly

[Seymour Snerd]

Weber looks and sound, modern performance. Best of both worlds?

When I look at that even deliberately blurring my vision I don't see webers, I see fuel injection although it's mostly the manifold's and trumpets' fault.

I do know of one Lamborghini Espada owner who "drilled-out" his DCOE-40s to use them as throttle bodies.

 

[Mike Huddart]

When I look at that even deliberately blurring my vision I don't see webers, I see fuel injection although it's mostly the manifold's and trumpets' fault.

I do know of one Lamborghini Espada owner who "drilled-out" his DCOE-40s to use them as throttle bodies.

Manifold and trumpets, what's wrong with them ? They're the original Weber bits.
Maybe if you're vision is THAT blurred you should consider glasses ! ( joke ).......... ( sort of )

Mike

 

[Keith]

Manifold and trumpets, what's wrong with them ? They're the original Weber bits.
Maybe if you're vision is THAT blurred you should consider glasses ! ( joke ).......... ( sort of )

Mike

I have been staring at the picture for quite a long time and I must admit, I thought they were Weber parts too! What's not to like?

Thank God I'm not going blind, but you know what causes blurred vision don't you Mike?

 

[Mike Huddart]

I have been staring at the picture for quite a long time and I must admit, I thought they were Weber parts too! What's not to like?

Thank God I'm not going blind, but you know what causes blurred vision don't you Mike?

I never did do those school boy things, far too busy with my Hot Rod mag.

Hang on,......did I just say that !

Mike

 

[Seymour Snerd]

They're the original Weber bits.

Sorry, I'm used to seeing something like the below as a weber carb intake on a GT40. Don't know what I was thinking (sort of).

 

[Mike Huddart]

Sorry, I'm used to seeing something like the below as a weber carb intake on a GT40. Don't know what I was thinking (sort of).
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Have to admit, esthetically, I would probably prefer the " less is more " version in your pic but have a look at the photo in Martin Pott's post in "All GT40 " today.
By the way, you're traditional look is standard for the EFI kits, the angled "carbs " are a " no charge " option.
Mike

 

[Seymour Snerd]

Have to admit, esthetically, I would probably prefer the " less is more " version in your pic but have a look at the photo in Martin Pott's post in "All GT40 " today.
By the way, you're traditional look is standard for the EFI kits, the angled "carbs " are a " no charge " option.
Mike

Good. So in answer to your question "manifolds and trumpets, what's wrong with them?" the answer is "they're ugly and they look like modern fuel injection installations."

 

[JimmyMac]

'Looks like a great set-up mate.

 

[Mike Huddart]

Good. So in answer to your question "manifolds and trumpets, what's wrong with them?" the answer is "they're ugly and they look like modern fuel injection installations."

So reproductions of a manifold and trumpets as fitted to a '65 GT40 look like fuel injection ? Hmmm, I don't think we're going to get anywhere here.

Mike

 

[Seymour Snerd]

So reproductions of a manifold and trumpets as fitted to a '65 GT40 look like fuel injection ? Hmmm, I don't think we're going to get anywhere here.

I'm not trying to "get anywhere" but if it helps to understand I was making a purely subjective and statstically based point, not a technical or historical one. "Most" GT40s (and for that matter, '60s american V-8s with webers) have zero bank angle on the carbs and tall thin trumpets. "A lot" of EFI systems have short stubby horns and banked throttle bodies. So yes, to me, esthetically and subjectively that particular installation "reminds me of" or "looks like" fuel injection. I doubt it's worth the electrons to discuss any further. Probably shouldn't have said anything in he first place...

 

[Jac Mac]

I'm not trying to "get anywhere"
"Most" GT40s (and for that matter, '60s american V-8s with webers) have zero bank angle on the carbs and tall thin trumpets.
Probably shouldn't have said anything in he first place...

Depends on how hard you look, most of the 'proper' 427 Cobras had the inclined setup to bring the trumpets within the 'hood scoop' size, Dean Moon made Hemi Chrysler IDA intakes with incline, Lamborghini inclined the four triple barrel carbs on one of its early V12's. Most car builders lean in one direction or another, some are easily swayed...some are are not....

 

[JimmyMac]

Most of the Gurney Weslake engines that I have seen, have canted Webers.

 

[Seymour Snerd]

Lamborghini inclined the four triple barrel carbs on one of its early V12's. ..., some are easily swayed...some are are not....

OK I'm swayed.... although bringing up Lamborghini is a little out of bounds unless you chop 4 cylinders, throw away three camshafts and build it in Detroit.

 

[Jerry]

Have you thought of a pair of 660 center squirters. They have a 1 to 1 ratio and would work very well. I remember reading something where FORD tried 660s. they made more hp and tq, but used webbers? A Holley specialist who tuned for Holley recommends 600 vac secondaries, because 660s hit so quick and claims I'll end up against a tree. Anyway i installed the 600s because I have them. They worked well but could not get a good enough vacuum signal. Reworked the carbs now they work. I'm installing the 660s anyway. I've used them in the past and want them again. I will post hp and tq spec between a pair of 600s vac secondaries and 660 center squirters.

 

[Ron Earp]

Alex,
I have a little 289 Ford with a 600vac sec Holley and 4 speed in a very early Ford falcon and would never change the carb.They are fantastic in that application.Originally designed by Smokey Yunick but thats another story

I missed this earlier - is there anything that Smokey Yunick DIDN'T claim to invent or do first? No offense to him, he was a clever and interesting guy, but if all the stories you hear about him are true there wouldn't be anything left for anyone else to do.

I'm off to do some research on who invented the "Holley style" 4bbl carb.

 

[Jac Mac]

Ive read a fair bit of Smokey related literature & while I might have forgotten any Holley invention connection, It would appear that Henry Ford might have been more instrumental in the evolution of the Holley carb, way back in early 1900's Holley produced a small car called the 'Motorette' , Henry who might have felt slightly threatened by this little 'car' is reputed to have 'suggested' to Holley that he 'Ford' would not build carburettors if Holley stopped building cars..

 

[JimmyMac]

I read that Holley built the first 4 barrel carb for the 1953 Lincoln.
This was Model 2140 and was a 370cfm unit.
1955 saw the release of the Model 4000 for the 292 "Y" block, also 370cfm.