What's happening in the USA ?

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I never really understood what gaslighting was until I read this thread.

The leader of the free world is banned from Twitter while the Ayatollah Khamenei remains. Let that sink in...
When the Ayatollah manages to convince thousands of Americans to gather, overrun the capital building, and kill a police officer, then we can ban him, too.
 

Larry L.

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When the Ayatollah manages to convince thousands of Americans to gather, overrun the capital building, and kill a police officer, then we can ban him, too.
He's already "convinced" thousands of terrorists to behead people, blow people up, or murder them by immolation...so...
 
Isn't time to close this thread ?
I was just humbly thinking that we are on a nice builder and fans forum so speaking of welds , tubes , uprigths isn' it more interesting than listening or watching what all TV news are reporting anyway ??????
Isn't better to concentrate on our passion , toys and family safetey ?
Beg pardon to all previuos posters ... it is only my 2cts ....... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)
 
And what makes this even more hurtful for me, is that there were multiple Republican candidates very worthy of this countries votes....but instead the party chose what will probably go down in history as the worst candidate, and then elected President of all time. Just mind boggling. We ask ourselves, how could a person (for a more extreme example, Hitler) possibly be a popularly supported person placed into a leadership role, and then all we have to do is look back to 2016, and look in the mirror.
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Isn't time to close this thread ?
I was just humbly thinking that we are on a nice builder and fans forum so speaking of welds , tubes , uprigths isn' it more interesting than listening or watching what all TV news are reporting anyway ??????
Isn't better to concentrate on our passion , toys and family safetey ?
Beg pardon to all previuos posters ... it is only my 2cts ....... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)
Some times there is a need to go beyond uprights etc. Our country is in a difficult period and we NEED to start listening and understanding each other to make it " A more perfect union". Having a common interest in our cars should tell us we have a common interest in each other as well.
 

Howard Jones

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With all respect. The same thing that happened to England in the 70s is what is happening to the US now. I just hope we can get past socialism without violence but I dought it. Gonna need a Margret of our own methinks.
 
Does anyone care about the truth anymore? I am not a Trumpist or whatever the term is. I do love the Constitution of the United States.
When the Ayatollah manages to convince thousands of Americans to gather, overrun the capital building, and kill a police officer, then we can ban him, too.
Are you just trying to be inflammatory?
Is it possible to be blinded by hatred?
Yes, he obviously 'convinced thousands of Americans to gather'. This is true.
Yes, the media keeps telling us the narrative that you are pushing, but I have yet to see footage or hear audio of this "incitement". We all know that when Trump so much as mis-speaks, the media runs clips of it 24-7. Please enlighten me. The entire rally speech transcript is easily found online.
Here's the portion where he mentions the Capitol building:
"We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course, a much … I thought four more years. I thought it would be easy. We created-
Donald Trump: (19:03)
Four more years, I thought it would be easy. We created the greatest economy in history. We rebuilt our military. We get you the biggest tax cuts in history. We got you the biggest regulation cuts. There’s no President, whether it’s four years, eight years, or in one case more, got anywhere near the regulation cuts. It used to take 20 years to get a highway approved. now we’re down to two. I want to get it down to one, but we’re down to two."
 

Terry Oxandale

Skinny Man
String slowly turning south. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that goes for politics and ideology. We believe something, then find what supports that, with no further review or consideration that others don't think the same way we do, or place emphasis on the same values (environment vs profits for example). We are at the point of diminishing returns on this string, which we all suspected was going to happen and starting to remind me of all the climate change banter years ago, which thankfully was ended.
 
Does anyone care about the truth anymore? I am not a Trumpist or whatever the term is. I do love the Constitution of the United States.

Are you just trying to be inflammatory?
Is it possible to be blinded by hatred?
Yes, he obviously 'convinced thousands of Americans to gather'. This is true.
Yes, the media keeps telling us the narrative that you are pushing, but I have yet to see footage or hear audio of this "incitement". We all know that when Trump so much as mis-speaks, the media runs clips of it 24-7. Please enlighten me. The entire rally speech transcript is easily found online.
Here's the portion where he mentions the Capitol building:
"We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course, a much … I thought four more years. I thought it would be easy. We created-
Donald Trump: (19:03)
Four more years, I thought it would be easy. We created the greatest economy in history. We rebuilt our military. We get you the biggest tax cuts in history. We got you the biggest regulation cuts. There’s no President, whether it’s four years, eight years, or in one case more, got anywhere near the regulation cuts. It used to take 20 years to get a highway approved. now we’re down to two. I want to get it down to one, but we’re down to two."
Fair enough Dave, I was a bit flippant, especially in the light of that afterglow - an event that will live in infamy.
I feel you have cherry picked here - quoting his speech, which undoubtedly was viewed and washed beforehand by speech writers and helpers to be a) publishable b) not exhibit A in a subsequent law suit.
The bigger point is that there is a straight line from a) "I'll accept election results if I win" b) "stand back, stand down" c) invitation to gather on the 6th and "be wild" d) creation of the slogan "Stop the Steal" to weaponizing said slogan. Anyone who made it out of adolescence understands "risk". You gather that many people together with a constant stream of invective via twitter, and bad things are likely to happen - no matter which side of the political aisle. The President either didn't understand it, or he sought to profit from it - both are bad. If you don't see it that way. I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. Peace out.
 
I feel you have cherry picked here - quoting his speech, which undoubtedly was viewed and washed beforehand by speech writers and helpers to be a) publishable b) not exhibit A in a subsequent law suit.
I only quoted his speech because that is what the 'News Channels' are specifically pointing at when they say Trump incited the riot. And what Twitter and Facebook are pointing at for trampling 1st Amendment rights.
Idiots and vandals entered the Capitol building. I can assure you that there are idiots and vandals on both sides of the political spectrum. It is counterproductive to have politicians who cheer on one group of idiots and vandals while demonizing another. Wrong is wrong, at least that's how it used to be in this country.
 
Can this thread be ended please? There are literally thousands of sites on the interenet to "debate" about this. That is not what, I hope, this site is about.

Already, two other enthusiast sites I used to like have degraded to the point of not being worth visiting. I personally do not care about anyone elses religious or political feelings...I mind my own in private. I wish others did as well.

Cars, cars, cars - please.
 
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