Lets go boys get your teeth into this.

[Pete McCluskey.]

Barack Obama appeals to two races to help fight the males of a third:

In the video message to his supporters, Obama said his administration’s success depends on the outcome of this fall’s elections and warned that if Republicans regain control of Congress, they could “undo all that we have accomplished.”
“This year, the stakes are higher than ever,” he said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by Democratic officials. “It will be up to each of you to make sure that young people, African Americans, Latinos and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again...”
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How would it have played in the media had George Bush appealed to “whites to stand together once again” in the next election?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh-yR1HWkbM

 

[Cliff Beer]

Well, everyone gets to say their piece....that's just part of the whole democratic process.....

 

[Pat Buckley]

Pete - he would have been run out of town on a rail.

I think it sucks.

Maybe it's time for a candidate with some balls to do just that.

 

[Ron R.]

Obama cut his political teeth as a "community organizer" in Chicago. I would suppose that race baiting would be de rigueur for him.

 

[Doug S.]

Well, at least Obama knows the demographics of the people who put him into office, but don't fool yourself for a moment thinking that Bush didn't, also. Bush's supporters, however, were more economically different than culturally different--he called on them for help, no doubt in my mind.

I don't think Obama will be elected to a second term, in fact I'll be a bit surprised if he even runs. I think he's OK with being a one-term president and allowing the nature and magnitude of the changes he brings about to be his legacy.

As much brouhaha as there has been about those changes, I must admit that I've developed a bit of respect for him.....he promised health-care change in his campaign and got it through, he seems to be vitally interested in bringing about financial reforms that will protect the public rather than leave them at the mercy of the blood-sucking bankers.....regardless of how I feel about the nature of his accomplishments, he seems to be honoring most of the promises he made when he ran his campaign.

In the end, though, the majority of the American people were just ready for a change from the havoc the Republicans had wreaked for 8 years. That's why Obama was elected......and IMHO the American people will be just as tired of the havoc wreaked by the Obama administration when the next election comes about.

Pat, I'm with you on this one, though.....everyone has their "cultural pride day" except for the very ethnicity that started this great country. IMHO, the reason that the caucasian race is becoming a minority in this country has to do in large part with the effects of the illegal invasion we've been enduring from our southern border. It's just too bad that the only "white pride" organizations we hear about on the news are the radical, violent ones......we need somebody to organize caucasians for positive impact, but I don't think I'll be holding my breath for that....not PC :thumbsdown: .

Doug

 

[Jeff Young]

Actually, George Bush once famously stood in front of a group of rich white folks and said (on camera) "some people call you the power elite, I call you my base." Not that any of that matters, because it was a truism and not racist in any way.

Getting worked up about what President Obama said above is stupid, closed minded and silly. Disagree with him for his policies, don't be a closeted bigot and claim that a nod to the young (who could be white by the way), African Americans, Latinos and women (some of whom are also, gasp, white!) who helped get him elected (a truism) is some sort of race baiting.

Seriously. If you oppose the President, do so reasonably and honorably. Being a scary rightwing nutjob doof is self-defeating -- you scare off the moderates and independents who voted for Mr. Obama.

 

[Roark_John]

So Jeff...are you a scared left-wing nutjob doof?

He appealed to people on the basis of RACE...and threw women in for good measure, to boost HIS cause.

That is RACIST, homey

Sorry your Liberal White Guilt is getting in the way of your common sense and reason...

Actually, George Bush once famously stood in front of a group of rich white folks and said (on camera) "some people call you the power elite, I call you my base." Not that any of that matters, because it was a truism and not racist in any way.

Getting worked up about what President Obama said above is stupid, closed minded and silly. Disagree with him for his policies, don't be a closeted bigot and claim that a nod to the young (who could be white by the way), African Americans, Latinos and women (some of whom are also, gasp, white!) who helped get him elected (a truism) is some sort of race baiting.

Seriously. If you oppose the President, do so reasonably and honorably. Being a scary rightwing nutjob doof is self-defeating -- you scare off the moderates and independents who voted for Mr. Obama.

 

[Jeff Young]

Uh no.

I do find it rather stupid that you, and others, would consider that statement "racist" or "race-baiting" and, honestly, indicative of your own personal views on race.

Be that as it may...the really interesting part about posts like yours and others is that it convinces moderates and independents that the "right" (not even sure what that means anymore, I miss the principled, intelligent conservatism of the 60s/70s) is full of lunatics.

Hence, President Obama.

Seriously. You guys really need to wise up. Crazy is not attactive.

 

[Roark_John]

Jeff...honey, baby, sweetheart...

Buy a dictionary...now use it.

Racism and racist mean to base a philosophy and/or course of action on RACE.

When the President of the USA (who happens to have a darker shade of skin that I do...or the majority of LEGAL American citizens) makes a call SPECIFICALLY to anyone but WHITE MALES...

How in the hell can you not see that as RACISM?

Or is racism a unique product only of the adult white male population?

That's not crazy...that's called pointing out hypocrisy.

Uh no.

I do find it rather stupid that you, and others, would consider that statement "racist" or "race-baiting" and, honestly, indicative of your own personal views on race.

Be that as it may...the really interesting part about posts like yours and others is that it convinces moderates and independents that the "right" (not even sure what that means anymore, I miss the principled, intelligent conservatism of the 60s/70s) is full of lunatics.

Hence, President Obama.

Seriously. You guys really need to wise up. Crazy is not attactive.

 

[Howard Jones]

Most of the people he is taking to won't even know there is a election going on in November. No "Historic 1st" to vote for.

The right on the other hand is chomping at the bit, can't wait to throw the bums out.

My projection. 70 house seats and 7 in the senate. If OB pushed cap and tax and a make the illegal aliens legal bill then it may be 80 and 8.

He's out in 2012 for sure.

 

[Jeff Young]

Two quick questions for you, and then I'm a-movin' on.

1. Do you personally believe that President Obama is a racist, meaning he has animosity towards others due to their race/skin cooler, and harbors prejudices against them in his decision making? C'mon now, fess up!

2. What is it with the peculiar fascination of the "right" (although it's not the right per se so much as it is angry middle age white males for the most part) with trying to turn the tables and always claiming any reference by blacks to race is racism? Don't you find your fascination with that to be rather odd?

And aren't we playing pretty fast and loose with what people perceive to be the meaning of racism?

Racism: a systematic barring folks of a particular color from schools, voting, property ownership, and deprivation of their civil rights in the criminal and civil justice systems such that an underclass of poor, uneducated and politically franchised people of a particular race are created. See, e.g. apartheid in South Africa, Jim Crow in the American South, etc.

NOT racism: Saying "thanks" to the people of color who voted for you.

Jeff...honey, baby, sweetheart...

Buy a dictionary...now use it.

Racism and racist mean to base a philosophy and/or course of action on RACE.

When the President of the USA (who happens to have a darker shade of skin that I do...or the majority of LEGAL American citizens) makes a call SPECIFICALLY to anyone but WHITE MALES...

How in the hell can you not see that as RACISM?

Or is racism a unique product only of the adult white male population?

That's not crazy...that's called pointing out hypocrisy.

 

[Roark_John]

Two quick questions for you, and then I'm a-movin' on.

1. Do you personally believe that President Obama is a racist, meaning he has animosity towards others due to their race/skin cooler, and harbors prejudices against them in his decision making? C'mon now, fess up!

1. This is where your own prejudices are showing...you assume that racism must be animosity based. Racism is about DISTINGUISHING between races, not just when someone uses race to deny others an equal opportunity. Exploitation is still exploitation.

2. What is it with the peculiar fascination of the "right" (although it's not the right per se so much as it is angry middle age white males for the most part) with trying to turn the tables and always claiming any reference by blacks to race is racism? Don't you find your fascination with that to be rather odd?

2. First of all, I am not on the "right" (nor am I "wrong") and I am most certainly NOT an angry middle age white male...I am a concerned, 31 year old white male. So other colors (insert your favorite here...) can "turn the tables" and use the same methods that they accuse one specific color (aka WHITE) of using...and that's ok, for them? My fascination, as you call it, is that I am supposed to somehow feel guilty that I was born this color (as if I had any control over that one!) and that I have somehow been blessed with gifts by virtue of MY race. Which I assure you I have not. In fact, I was born to what most people would consider "white trash" parents. I have busted my ass to get where I am. Nothing has ever been handed to me.

Now get off your high-horse, put down your rose-colored glasses...and see what is actually going on in the real world.

And aren't we playing pretty fast and loose with what people perceive to be the meaning of racism?

Racism: a systematic barring folks of a particular color from schools, voting, property ownership, and deprivation of their civil rights in the criminal and civil justice systems such that an underclass of poor, uneducated and politically franchised people of a particular race are created. See, e.g. apartheid in South Africa, Jim Crow in the American South, etc.

I wish you would get an older version of a dictionary, not one that has changed it's meaning based on Political Correctness and the Liberal White Guilt factor. Because none of that is occuring any more, now is it? So effectively, according to the definition you have supplied, racism should be considered for all purposes DEAD.

NOT racism: Saying "thanks" to the people of color who voted for you.

That would be sweet...if there weren't also WHITE MALES who had voted for Obama. The inclusion of SOME, with the exclusion of OTHERS (based on their skin color and gender) is still RACIST and SEXIST.

 

[Doug S.]

Most of the people he is taking to won't even know there is a election going on in November. No "Historic 1st" to vote for.

The right on the other hand is chomping at the bit, can't wait to throw the bums out.

My projection. 70 house seats and 7 in the senate. If OB pushed cap and tax and a make the illegal aliens legal bill then it may be 80 and 8.

He's out in 2012 for sure.

Well, Howard, I must admit I think you're right about some of this.

The radical right is truly up in arms and mad as hell.

Most others are fairly happy and when people are happy they tend to be a bit apathetic, not to mention surprised when things change in a manner that they didn't expect.

However, I'd hope the American people are smart enough to not throw the baby out with the bath water.....there ARE decent representatives out there in both parties (even the "....Party of NO!"), and while I almost think we ought to vote ALL incumbents out and replace them all with freshmen who might be scared enough to actually listen to their constituents, that isn't what true informed voting is all about. We need to keep the ones that seem inclined to represent the opinions of the majority of their constituents and get rid of the rest.....they are, after all, REPRESENTATIVES, no?

However, having said all of that, I have also said that I think it is a good idea if different parties have control of the legislative and the executive branches. Neither should have a "...supermajority", not even the bums (many of whom, IMHO, are in the "radical conservative" category)!!!!

I am in high hopes that Obama's plea for activism galvanizes many whom might be apathetic into action (my 26 year old daughter included, who is both young and white).....I for sure don't want the direction of the country to be controlled by a mad-as-hell minority, no matter how right they think they are! Only by encouraging and achieving high voter turnouts can we be sure that the will of "....the people" is being demonstrated.

Doug

 

[Jeff Young]

Mr. Wyoming, just as I expected.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Roark_John]

Oh goody...a game?

Ok...so tell me...what differences are there REALLY between whites, blacks, yellow, reds, browns (and any other colors I might have missed)?

Because last time I checked, we are all human. We all have the same needs...shelter, food, water, sanitation, medical treatment.

In fact, whites & blacks can procreate together and have children (I present for evidence, your favorite example...Mr. Obama...half-black, half-white...though conveniently, he never makes a big deal about his own mother being white...suspicious?)

That tells me that we are all ONE race.

Hell, look at George Hamilton...that boy is orange, but you would tell me he is white. My eyes don't deceive me...he is just an overgrown Oompa Loompa

So, if we all have the same needs, and we can interbreed...why do people keep using something as superficial as skin pigmentation to differentiate themselves?

Who is really racist?

What agenda do you have? Surely you have one, since you insist on lumping me in with Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists and the KKK (as those organizations are de facto RACIST)

As much as I hate to do this, I will divulge some of my personal information. My late brother (who was KIA in Fallujah) was married to a black woman. My niece and nephew are half-black, half-white (much as Mr. Obama). If I were indeed racist, I wouldn't be able to claim them as family, nor would I be able to love them. In fact...I love them very much. They are my last remaining connection to my brother, a man I served with in the military for a number of years.

I don't want them growing up in a world where a disingenuous excuse like skin color is used for exploitation or avoiding personal responsibility. I don't want them victimized because of their "tan".

I want people to wake up and grow up. Recognize acts and attitudes for what they are. Use reason and logic, not emotion and irrationality.

Mr. Wyoming, just as I expected.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Jeff Young]

And yet you have an emotional and irrational response to any mention of race by persons holding different political and social viewpoints than you. Interesting...the plot thickens.

 

[Roark_John]

Ok, Mr. Psychologist...how have I behaved irrationally?

Yes, I get a little emotional when someone uses my skin color to denote me as an enemy...as in, if you aren't with us, you're against us. It's kinda hard to go out in public and not be recognized as white. I mean do you seriously think Mr. Politico is going to out & out advocate for violence on whites? It's not what you say...it's how you say it. Don't be naive.

Politics has always been a popularity contest. The more people you have on your side, whether they believe the rhetoric or not, the more influence you wield.

I don't want to live in a socialist nation. That is where this all comes from. I like living in a Capitalist, Democratic Republic. I like knowing that the harder I work, the more it benefits ME. I do not want to be repressed by anybody, regardless of their skin color, size of their bank account, or their political leanings.

And yet you have an emotional and irrational response to any mention of race by persons holding different political and social viewpoints than you. Interesting...the plot thickens.

 

[Cliff Beer]

Let's not forget about the total shite-storm that Obama inherited coming into his term: an economy in the toilet and on the brink of complete collapse, non-existent foreign relations and the US generally villified around the globe, rampant partisanship and a malfunctioning US Congress. Most of all this has improved, although it's debatable with regard to partisanship and broken US Congress.

Anybody coming into the office with that load of shite on his back is going to have a tough time of it. Frankly, just holding things generally together, and avoiding a major implosion of economy and government is some success in itself.

Even if he's a one-time President, I think history will treat him kindly.

Besides, we're focusing on the wrong thing here - Obama isn't the problem....he will come and go....the bigger problem is with career politicians in DC who can be bought through back-office power brokering and campaign contributions, and have forgotten they a) serve by the grace of the citizenry, and b) need to be held to standard of care and trust appropriate of an elected official.

Related, partisanship is all about retaining control and power w/in a group....and has nothing to do with representing citizens in a balanced and transparent manner. When I see a Republican voting in favor of a Democratic sponsored piece of legislation (and the reverse) I immediately think "hey, here's a person who might actually be using their head" and voting for what's right rather than what keeps one party in control over another.

 

[Jeff Young]

P.S. So you understand what "racism" and "racist" mean before you insert foot in mouth again:

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.

The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

 

[AdrianBurton]

Let's not forget about the total shite-storm that Obama inherited coming into his term: an economy in the toilet and on the brink of complete collapse, non-existent foreign relations and the US generally villified around the globe, rampant partisanship and a malfunctioning US Congress. Most of all this has improved, although it's debatable with regard to partisanship and broken US Congress.

Anybody coming into the office with that load of shite on his back is going to have a tough time of it. Frankly, just holding things generally together, and avoiding a major implosion of economy and government is some success in itself.

Even if he's a one-time President, I think history will treat him kindly.

Besides, we're focusing on the wrong thing here - Obama isn't the problem....he will come and go....the bigger problem is with career politicians in DC who can be bought through back-office power brokering and campaign contributions, and have forgotten they a) serve by the grace of the citizenry, and b) need to be held to standard of care and trust appropriate of an elected official.

Related, partisanship is all about retaining control and power w/in a group....and has nothing to do with representing citizens in a balanced and transparent manner. When I see a Republican voting in favor of a Democratic sponsored piece of legislation (and the reverse) I immediately think "hey, here's a person who might actually be using their head" and voting for what's right rather than what keeps one party in control over another.

Cliff,

I agree with you 100%. Our President is trying to put out a forrest fire with a garden hose, it wont be fun nor will it be easy.

And I think that Doug has hit the nail on the head, Obama is trying to follow thru with the things that he ran on. The sad part is that the polititions are not used to the idea that someone (a politician) would actually do what they said they would do.....

Novel idea isint it