2011 5.0 Crate Engine

[Fran Hall RCR]

Here is one at the RCR shop already set up for mid engine installation

 

[Jason]

Price dropping already?

M-6007-M50 MUSTANG FORD RACING CRATE ENGINE 5.0 412HP

Ian

I for one wouldn't complain :thumbsup:

 

[Howard Jones]

The 302 based 450HP top of the line engine based on a iron Boss block has a "package weight" of 560 Lbs. The 4 valve 302, package weight is 553 lbs. Given that a alum block would be about 50-70 lbs lighter (the FMS alum block is lighter than a DART alum block as I understand it) than a iron one then the old school pushrod motor is lighter.

4v twin cam 302 M-6007-M50 $6999 + PCM and harness @ $1799 = $8798

Pushrod 347 Boss block M-6007-2347 $7999 + $700 Holley = $8699

Pretty much a wash.

 

[Jim Craik]

Howard, thanks!

 

[Maxwell]

I read that the 2011 4v 5.0 crate wt is 445 lbs. Thats without engine cover and alternator kit.

I thought that DART a while back was looking at designing a new FORD head and that 4v tech was one of the options. This on their blocks would of been interesting.

 

[Mike Huddart]

I thought that DART a while back was looking at designing a new FORD head and that 4v tech was one of the options. This on their blocks would of been interesting.[/QUOTE]


And what would be REALLY interesting would be a Chevy LS series head on a Ford, the bore spacing and head bolts are virtually identical and the 351 deck height is the same as the LS.

I suppose this is where I get asked to leave the forum !
Mike

 

[Maxwell]

I thought that DART a while back was looking at designing a new FORD head and that 4v tech was one of the options. This on their blocks would of been interesting.

And what would be REALLY interesting would be a Chevy LS series head on a Ford, the bore spacing and head bolts are virtually identical and the 351 deck height is the same as the LS.

I suppose this is where I get asked to leave the forum !
Mike[/QUOTE]


I wont ask you to leave Mike. I did not know this about the LS head.

 

[Mike Huddart]

And what would be REALLY interesting would be a Chevy LS series head on a Ford, the bore spacing and head bolts are virtually identical and the 351 deck height is the same as the LS.

I suppose this is where I get asked to leave the forum !
Mike

I wont ask you to leave Mike. I did not know this about the LS head.[/QUOTE]

The Ford and LS bore spacing are the same and two head bolts are slightly off but if you drill the LS bolt holes to 1/2 inch this is corrected.
The LS deck height is only .040 taller than a 351C or any of the after market 9.200 blocks so in theory you could bolt together an LS/ 351 with nearly all stock parts.
Some of the aftermarket LS heads pass a huge amount of air and can be had with very small chambers, the exhaust ports can't be far off either, just the bolt pattern differant. All good fun !
Mike

 

[Rick Muck- Mark IV]

I thought that DART a while back was looking at designing a new FORD head and that 4v tech was one of the options. This on their blocks would of been interesting.

And what would be REALLY interesting would be a Chevy LS series head on a Ford, the bore spacing and head bolts are virtually identical and the 351 deck height is the same as the LS.

I suppose this is where I get asked to leave the forum !
Mike[/QUOTE]

It has been done.....

 

[Troy]

Here is one at the RCR shop already set up for mid engine installation

Fran, since I see you have one there, one of my questions looks like it might be allready answered. It looks like the intake is symmetrical and can be rotated 180 deg. with no problem. The other question is, since the transmission mounting is the same as previous modular motors I assume that the Ricardo will mount directly with no adaptation. Can the stock 5.0 flywheel be utilized with the stock starter and perhaps even the clutch or will the GT clutch still be required? :idea:

 

[Sam]

The other question is, since the transmission mounting is the same as previous modular motors I assume that the Ricardo will mount directly with no adaptation. Can the stock 5.0 flywheel be utilized with the stock starter and perhaps even the clutch or will the GT clutch still be required? :idea:

X2 :huh:

 

[Ian Anderson]

I thought that DART a while back was looking at designing a new FORD head and that 4v tech was one of the options. This on their blocks would of been interesting.

And what would be REALLY interesting would be a Chevy LS series head on a Ford, the bore spacing and head bolts are virtually identical and the 351 deck height is the same as the LS.

I suppose this is where I get asked to leave the forum !
Mike[/QUOTE]

Mike

That sounds interesting
Do all the oil and water passages line up too?

Cheers
Ian

 

[Rick Muck- Mark IV]

And what would be REALLY interesting would be a Chevy LS series head on a Ford, the bore spacing and head bolts are virtually identical and the 351 deck height is the same as the LS.

I suppose this is where I get asked to leave the forum !
Mike

Mike

That sounds interesting
Do all the oil and water passages line up too?

Cheers
Ian[/QUOTE]

Ian,

It has been done.

The passages take some tweaking and other items require modification. I was told that it comes from a midwest racing series that requires "stock production block and heads" but one of the more enterprising racers decided that the rule didn't specify that the block AND heads had to be from the same manufacturer!

 

[Mike Huddart]

Ian,
actually the water passages are amazingly similar, the LS has more but the extra ones would be blanked off by a Ford Gasket. The oil is the same as a Ford, pushrod fed.
The fact that all the major bits, head bolts, bore spacing etc are the same really makes the swap intriguing, but whether that makes it worth it I don't know. .
Pistons, cam are easy but unless somebody starts doing manifolds or conversions then it's probably a non starter.
Mike

 

[BDP]

The new Coyote engine seems like a great option for the GT40. Now Ford has a bolt on supercharger kit that makes 624 horsepower with an ecu tune ready to go! :shocked:

Ford Racing Performance Parts


Produces 624 SAE hp @ 6900 rpm and 536 SAE lb-ft @ 4700 rpm, at approximately 9 psi of boost with 93 octane fuel
Calibration eliminates "skip-shift" feature
For optimum engine performance, Ford Racing recommends M-12405-M50 Ford Racing spark plugs.
Kit Includes:

• 2.3L Twin Screw Whipple Supercharger Assembly
• Intake manifold
• Complete air-to-liquid intercooler system
• Drive Belt: FEAD 6-rib system
• 47 lb/hr, 6-hole, high-impedance fuel injectors M-9593-LU47
• Ford Racing ProCal tool with performance calibration for significantly improved throttle response and performance feel.

So with the Coyote crate motor, this supercharger kit and harness you are right around $15,000, or about $7000 less than the 550 horsepower 5.4 SVT crate motor. Nice! :thumbsup: