No. You did it because you're a socialist...and because Bob obviously must have bribed you with a pint and crisps! :love:
Another piece of the B.O. Win Puzzle!
- Thread starter lonesomebob
- Start date
No. You did it because you're a socialist...and because Bob obviously must have bribed you with a pint and crisps! :love:
If the shoe fits, wear it!
You failed to notice that I also defended your conviction that your beliefs are right, to which you are no less entitled than those on the opposite end of the spectrum...is there some reason that credit due is not acknowledged?
Just curious...
Cheers!
Doug
'Kinda like saying, 'You don't sweat much for a fat person', isn't it?
'Wov U anyway, Doug! :thumbsup:
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Hang on terms of endearment it the Paddock.....shame Larry shame. You're not changing sides I hope?
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Larry, Al,
You guys may have missed this, but earlier today Ron Earp repeated the Posting Guidelines, take a good look at Guideline (b)
Posting Guidelines:
(b) Do not post topic involving Race, Religion................
You have all sorts of reasons to put down President Obama, but who and what his parents were is irrelevant and a cheap shot, even by your standards.......
You guys may have missed this, but earlier today Ron Earp repeated the Posting Guidelines, take a good look at Guideline (b)
Posting Guidelines:
(b) Do not post topic involving Race, Religion................
You have all sorts of reasons to put down President Obama, but who and what his parents were is irrelevant and a cheap shot, even by your standards.......
Last edited:
THERE WERE NO CHEAP SHOTS FIRED.
WANT PROOF? I HAVEN'T HEARD A WORD FROM RON REGARDING YOUR >ACCUSATIONS< OR ANY OTHER DARNED THING - EVER. PERIOD. NOT ONE BLEEPIN' WORD. ZERO. NADA. ZIPOLA. GOOSE EGG. N-O-N-E. AND I KNOW DARN WELL I WON'T. WHY? 'CAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN WARRANTED. He'd have to be as big of a spin artist as you to do so.
From what I've witnessed so far, he has a far better grasp on reality.
Please. Give this kinda stuff a rest already.
Guys...I've said it time and time again...these exchanges will probably not change anyone's mind about the issues or political persuasions...but...
...and that is a big BUT!
...they could be an avenue to exchange of ideas...no need to feel like one must convince anyone, no need to threaten anyone with personal harm if they don't adopt your own idealogy...just honest exchange of ideas and nothing else.
Depends on what you want....if you want to change minds, chances are you won't.
If you want to impact impressions, I can attest to the fact that these discussions HAVE had that effect on me.
If you just want to discuss different perceptions...well, this is the place for it.
I like Ron's ideas a lot....:idea:
Cheers!
Doug
...and that is a big BUT!
...they could be an avenue to exchange of ideas...no need to feel like one must convince anyone, no need to threaten anyone with personal harm if they don't adopt your own idealogy...just honest exchange of ideas and nothing else.
Depends on what you want....if you want to change minds, chances are you won't.
If you want to impact impressions, I can attest to the fact that these discussions HAVE had that effect on me.
If you just want to discuss different perceptions...well, this is the place for it.
I like Ron's ideas a lot....:idea:
Cheers!
Doug
marc
Lifetime Supporter
I don't need to convince you. I just want you to be civil regarding the Tea Party and the blatant fact that name calling doesn't work in this day and age. I have no problem with your ideology, you believe what you believe. Being a homofobic gun touting redneck is your belief, so then I am that. As for perceptions, lets keep it to the subject. In 30 days or so we have a couple of issues coming before Congress, 1. Amnesty for illegals, which you can imagine, I am against. My family came to America legally, worked in the sweat shops of New York, then was orphaned by auto accident. My parents had it tough. But that's what America is about, but the missing component now is the legaleses of it. 2nd is the debt limit will again be on the table with BO pushing for more debt. We started with BO at 6T when he got in office and were looking at 17T limit now. What your perception, impression, and ideology of that?
If that were Romney's mother, you would not have a problem with it. It's public knowledge.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Haha I never really doubted that:thumbsup:
All hail Volunteer Moderator Craik....:book:
Pat
Supporter
I agree with Jim on this one. Mr. Obama's mother, his race and family needs to be off limits as it should be for any candidate (see Martin Brashir and David Letterman).
There, as Jim suggests, all sorts of reasons to take fair shots.
Let’s review the most recent:
There was the 2009West Point speech telling the Taliban when they would win.
Then the Cairo apology speech.
And a $940 BILLION stimulus with nothing to show for it except full union coffers.
Fast and Furious.
"You didn’t build that.”
The Libya fiasco and leading from behind.
More than 46 million on food stamps.
Drone strikes against Americans.
Nearly 1,000 executive orders.
Benghazi.
The number of Americans age 16 or older who decided not to work or even to seek a job increased by 8,332,000 to a record 88,839,000 in President Obama’s first term -Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The Benghazi cover-up, including the President lying to the American public.
The IRS scandal.
The Administration lying to the American people regarding IRS scandal.
The Justice Department phone record subpoena scandal.
The North Korea saber-rattling fiasco.
The NSA surveillance scandal.
The HHS extortion scandal.
The 2013 Egypt fiasco.
The Syria “red line” fiasco.
A shambles of a foreign policy.
Emboldened adversaries and worried allies.
Unilateral nuclear disarmament.
Sequestration and the President’s lies about its origins.
14% true unemployment rate.
Radical political indoctrination of our Armed Forces.
Afghanistan, (Mr. Obama's Afghanistan was the “good war.” )
Afghanistan rules of engagement that are killing more Americans than enemy
Economic stagnation.
The Iran nuclear negotiation fiasco.
A continued Benghazi cover-up.
The Obamacare roll-out fiasco and Obama’s lies to the American public.
-If you like your plan, you can keep it.
-You can keep your doctor
-Obamacare will save the average family $2,500 per year
-Obamacare will not raise taxes
-His campaign pledge of no tax increases
And for me the most troubling, disdain for our Constitution and the Separation of Powers but that's me.
Other than these few things, he's the best president EVER!
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Well that is quite a record. :furious:
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
How much is true Jim?
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Like I said, "some".
Here is an example, in his third line, the first that is not subjective, Pat said this:
"And a $940 BILLION stimulus with nothing to show for it except full union coffers".
President Obama signed the stimulus bill in Feb 2009, If you look at the chart, the incredable job loss under BushII slowed and then stopped with the stimulus, today its down to 7%. To try and claim that the stimulus had absolutly nothing to do with this immidiate turn around is absurd.
Here is an example, in his third line, the first that is not subjective, Pat said this:
"And a $940 BILLION stimulus with nothing to show for it except full union coffers".
President Obama signed the stimulus bill in Feb 2009, If you look at the chart, the incredable job loss under BushII slowed and then stopped with the stimulus, today its down to 7%. To try and claim that the stimulus had absolutly nothing to do with this immidiate turn around is absurd.
Last edited:
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Pete,
Pat also commented on "Drone strikes against Americans". He said this was a failing by President Obama, killing these poor inocent "Americans". Lets look at who was killed........
Who were the 4 U.S. citizens killed in drone strikes?
Anwar Al Awlaki
Anwar al-Awlaki was an articulate, charismatic Muslim orator and jihadist. He was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico in 1971; he died on Sept. 11, 2011 at age 40. He was called by some "the emir of the Internet" because of his abilities as an orator -- often seen with his hand raised, his finger pointing, his long, thin black beard, sitting-crossed legged behind a podium, preaching, lecturing and calling for jihad against America.
The killing of Anwar al-AwlakiThe CIA drone strike that killed al Qaeda's leader of external operations, Anwar al-Awlaki, also apparently killed al Qaeda's top bomb-maker and ...
Who was Anwar al-Awlaki?
Because Anwar al-Awlaki was an American-born U.S. citizen, some civil rights groups are questioning the government's right to track him down and ...
Anwar Al-Awlaki received a B.S. degree in civil engineering from Colorado State in 1994. He reportedly spent one summer while a student living in Afghanistan with the Mujahideen -- former American allies in the Afghan-Soviet War who later became corrupt and gave rise to the Taliban. Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan at that time and al-Awlaki, with his command of Arabic and English, might have become radicalized then.
When he was killed, on Sept. 30, 2011, in Yemen, it was the first known time that a U.S.-controlled drone strike deliberately targeted and killed an American citizen. Obama called it a "major blow to al Qaeda's most active operational affiliate." But many condemned this extra-judicial killing.
Al-Awlaki said that he felt close to Sayyid Qutb, the Egyptian-born writer, and intellectual force of the Muslim Brotherhood. Osama bin Laden was also influenced by Qutb.
Al-Awlaki said that he taught and trained Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian-born "underwear bomber, who was going to bomb Northwest Airlines Flight #523 on Dec. 25, 2009. But he said that he did not order the attack.
Samir Khan, a U.S. citizen of Pakistani heritage and formerly a resident of Charlotte, N.C., was killed in the CIA-directed drone strike in Yemen that also killed U.S.-born cleric and al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki.
WBTV
Samir Khan
Also killed in the same drone attack that claimed Al-Awlaki was Samir Khan, a U.S. citizen of Pakistani heritage. Khan was born in Saudi Arabia in 1986 and grew up in Queens, New York, in a typical middle-class family. His parents are said to have become worried that as a teenager he was becoming too religious. His family moved to North Carolina and he lived with them until at least 2007. It was during this time, U.S. officials say, that Khan began to help violent jihadist groups online, using his skills on the Web. He seemed to be operating on his own and didn't appear to be tied to any terrorist group.
In 2009, Khan left home for Yemen and became a part of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. It was here, again using his computer and literary skills, that Khan started "Inspire," the influential online jihadist magazine. Khan was killed in the same air strike that killed Anwar al-Awlaki.
"I am proud to be a traitor," he told ABC News in 2010.
Jude Kenan Mohammad
According to the Justice Department, Jude Kenan Mohammad was killed by a U.S. drone in Pakistan. He was a U.S. citizen and former resident of North Carolina. He was born in Florida of a Pakistani father. He went to high school in North Carolina, dropped out in 2006, but later received a GED. In 2008, he left the U.S. to visit his father, who had moved back to Pakistan. He later disappeared into the tribal areas of Pakistan, along the Afghanistan border. There he was trained, most probably by al Qaeda.
In 2009, a North Carolina jury indicted him and others on conspiracy charges to commit terrorism. As an American citizen, with a U.S. passport and American accent, he was the type of person U.S. authorities feared -- and al Qaeda sought -- to wage jihad in America.
Abdulrahman al-Awlaki
Anwar al-Awlaki and his Egyptian-born wife, Gihan Mohsen Baker, had an American son, born on Sept. 13, 1995, in Denver, while al-Awlaki was a student at Colorado State. His son's name Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki. He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
***********
I dont know about you, but these guys stopped being "Americans" long ago.
I guess Pat thinks we would be better off with these traitors alive, I disagree.
Pat also commented on "Drone strikes against Americans". He said this was a failing by President Obama, killing these poor inocent "Americans". Lets look at who was killed........
Who were the 4 U.S. citizens killed in drone strikes?
Anwar Al Awlaki
- On Wednesday, the Obama administration publicly acknowledged for the first time as part of U.S. counterterrorism activities surrounding al Qaeda . Of the four, only one of them, Anwar al-Awlaki, was targeted, according to Attorney General Eric Holder in a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy. The following are descriptions of the four men killed in drone operations.
Anwar al-Awlaki was an articulate, charismatic Muslim orator and jihadist. He was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico in 1971; he died on Sept. 11, 2011 at age 40. He was called by some "the emir of the Internet" because of his abilities as an orator -- often seen with his hand raised, his finger pointing, his long, thin black beard, sitting-crossed legged behind a podium, preaching, lecturing and calling for jihad against America.
The killing of Anwar al-AwlakiThe CIA drone strike that killed al Qaeda's leader of external operations, Anwar al-Awlaki, also apparently killed al Qaeda's top bomb-maker and ...
Who was Anwar al-Awlaki?
Because Anwar al-Awlaki was an American-born U.S. citizen, some civil rights groups are questioning the government's right to track him down and ...
Anwar Al-Awlaki received a B.S. degree in civil engineering from Colorado State in 1994. He reportedly spent one summer while a student living in Afghanistan with the Mujahideen -- former American allies in the Afghan-Soviet War who later became corrupt and gave rise to the Taliban. Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan at that time and al-Awlaki, with his command of Arabic and English, might have become radicalized then.
When he was killed, on Sept. 30, 2011, in Yemen, it was the first known time that a U.S.-controlled drone strike deliberately targeted and killed an American citizen. Obama called it a "major blow to al Qaeda's most active operational affiliate." But many condemned this extra-judicial killing.
Al-Awlaki said that he felt close to Sayyid Qutb, the Egyptian-born writer, and intellectual force of the Muslim Brotherhood. Osama bin Laden was also influenced by Qutb.
Al-Awlaki said that he taught and trained Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian-born "underwear bomber, who was going to bomb Northwest Airlines Flight #523 on Dec. 25, 2009. But he said that he did not order the attack.
WBTV
Samir Khan
Also killed in the same drone attack that claimed Al-Awlaki was Samir Khan, a U.S. citizen of Pakistani heritage. Khan was born in Saudi Arabia in 1986 and grew up in Queens, New York, in a typical middle-class family. His parents are said to have become worried that as a teenager he was becoming too religious. His family moved to North Carolina and he lived with them until at least 2007. It was during this time, U.S. officials say, that Khan began to help violent jihadist groups online, using his skills on the Web. He seemed to be operating on his own and didn't appear to be tied to any terrorist group.
In 2009, Khan left home for Yemen and became a part of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. It was here, again using his computer and literary skills, that Khan started "Inspire," the influential online jihadist magazine. Khan was killed in the same air strike that killed Anwar al-Awlaki.
"I am proud to be a traitor," he told ABC News in 2010.
Jude Kenan Mohammad
According to the Justice Department, Jude Kenan Mohammad was killed by a U.S. drone in Pakistan. He was a U.S. citizen and former resident of North Carolina. He was born in Florida of a Pakistani father. He went to high school in North Carolina, dropped out in 2006, but later received a GED. In 2008, he left the U.S. to visit his father, who had moved back to Pakistan. He later disappeared into the tribal areas of Pakistan, along the Afghanistan border. There he was trained, most probably by al Qaeda.
In 2009, a North Carolina jury indicted him and others on conspiracy charges to commit terrorism. As an American citizen, with a U.S. passport and American accent, he was the type of person U.S. authorities feared -- and al Qaeda sought -- to wage jihad in America.
Abdulrahman al-Awlaki
Anwar al-Awlaki and his Egyptian-born wife, Gihan Mohsen Baker, had an American son, born on Sept. 13, 1995, in Denver, while al-Awlaki was a student at Colorado State. His son's name Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki. He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
***********
I dont know about you, but these guys stopped being "Americans" long ago.
I guess Pat thinks we would be better off with these traitors alive, I disagree.
Last edited:
Nice chart "Chart Jim" WTF does it represent? There are no values.