Covid19 vaccine- report your progress
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An unfortunate side effect of our litigious culture. It may also be that your Cardiologist is trying to avoid making any definitive absolute statement on the subject because many people have a tendency to turn off when hearing something contrary to their belief system, and maybe he/she prefers to make sure communication channels stay open.MY CARDIOLOGIST SUGGEST THE SHOT.. FOLLOWS UP TO SAY THIS IS NOT HIS SPECIALTY .
HERE IS INFO RIGHT FROM PFIZERS OWN DOCUMENTS WORTH LISTENING TO:
I won't get into the moral imperative of the vaccination. Fact is that, depending on where you live, there is a high likelihood of COVID finding you eventually, it's just math/geometric progression. With your pre-existing conditions, do you think you will escape with a mild bout? Furthermore, will the standard of available care be good, or will the ICUs be full? Will they be shuffling you off to a hospital 300 miles away where your family can't see you?
To really boil it down, you can be in charge of your own destiny and take an infinitesimal risk, or you can trust the fates that COVD won't find you.
I've been driving a long time, and haven't crashed a car since I was 21. I still exercise caution, and wear a seatbelt.
This is a fair point. While a pre-existing health concern may make someone legitimately concerned about side effects from the vaccine, society is in a position where it’s highly likely Covid will be enwe’ll all get Covid at some point whether we know it or not.
The question then is how much of a gamble is someone willing to take with Covid.
Gamble that they’ll get off easy with a few days of aches and a sore throat, get a more serious case like a bad flu (I’ve had the swine flu, and if Covid is like a bad one of these…f**k that. The swine flu was awful. ), or worse yet, hospitalization. One would have to weigh the potential risks of the vaccine vs the odds of how bad the disease might affect them.
Bingo.
I believe I mentioned before that the Mrs and I looked at the odds of catching C-19 at our age (late seventies) and knowing for a FACT what could happen if we did... vs. the unknown odds of the vaccine causing a limb-or-two to fall off down the road 20 years or so.
'Choice was a no brainer.
Of course if we've been lied to all along about the efficacy of the vaccines...well, that's a horse of a different color...
The hospital admittance,icu care and death statistics in this state clearly show that the vaccines work as they said they would in from VERY beginning. They are effective as stated. Its the non vaxxers who are tying up the hospitals. Sure there are breakthrough cases but they said that would happen from the very beginning.
They are a VERY small percentage of those that are vaccinated. I dont see how you can fake all these statistics from THOUSANDS of hospitals and DRs. Yet there are still talking heads who preach that everyday.
Misinformation that is repeated long enough and loud enough is interpreted by some as being correct.
IM getting the third shot.I dont believe you can have enough anti bodies. AS Remo said in Casino. "Why take a chance"
They are a VERY small percentage of those that are vaccinated. I dont see how you can fake all these statistics from THOUSANDS of hospitals and DRs. Yet there are still talking heads who preach that everyday.
Misinformation that is repeated long enough and loud enough is interpreted by some as being correct.
IM getting the third shot.I dont believe you can have enough anti bodies. AS Remo said in Casino. "Why take a chance"
A bit of encouragement to drive business up. Although fake, I hope people get the message. On a recent trip to Indianapolis, I saw ad on the back of a truck from a casket maker. It said. " text and drive, and you may be our next customer".
Mike Pass
Supporter
Had my booster jab on Friday. It was Pfizer. The first two were Astra Zeneca. Slightly sore arm for a couple of days but no other issues. As I am part of the 400.000 person Oxford research program I get tested for Covid every month, get asked lots of questions and also get tested for antibodies. Interestingly my last antibody test came up negative so it looks like the booster timing was spot on.
cheers
Mike
cheers
Mike
My Mrs and I have an appointment with our family doctor on the 18th of this month to get authorization to be tested for vaccine-created C-19 antibodies. WHY we need "authorization" for that is beyond me. We both have our vaccine records cards. That ought to be all the "authorization" needed.
As I've mentioned before, if our anti-body levels are found to be 'good-to-high' we'll be foregoing our boosters for now. I'm not too 'thrilled' about the prospect of having to get boosters every six months-or-so from now until The Second Coming. Buuut, better that than dead, I guess.
As I've mentioned before, if our anti-body levels are found to be 'good-to-high' we'll be foregoing our boosters for now. I'm not too 'thrilled' about the prospect of having to get boosters every six months-or-so from now until The Second Coming. Buuut, better that than dead, I guess.
Mike, not sure I understand the science here quite right... You mean that you had no antibodies because the AZ immunization wore off?
Mike Pass
Supporter
It is about 6 months since I had the second AZ jab. The last test for antibodies reported negative. I don't know the level of antibodies that the test reports as negative but I assume that my level was too low to trigger the test. As there are 400,000 people in the Oxford research group I assume that they will soon have good data on the rate of decay of antibody levels for AZ and Pfizer in a range of people so they can determine the point at which a booster will be needed. Even if the level of antibodies drops there are still cells which will kick in to produce more antibodies when exposed to the virus. In the case of the original Sars these cells are still present and active after 17 years. It seems to be that the severity of infection is a balance between the initial viral load and the level of body defences.
Cheers
Mike
Cheers
Mike
Ian Anderson
Lifetime Supporter
My Mrs and I are seeing our family physician tomorrow to get the 'red tape-mandated' authorization for the blood test that determines what our vaccine-produced C-19 anti-body levels are. Hopefully were can then get our tests done tomorrow as well.
As I've mentioned before, if our anti-body levels are found to be in the mid range-to-higher end of the scale, we'll be foregoing the boosters...for now anyway.
As I've mentioned before, if our anti-body levels are found to be in the mid range-to-higher end of the scale, we'll be foregoing the boosters...for now anyway.
Pat
Supporter
Wife and I just received the Pfizer 3rd jab booster. Wife had a little site soreness and nothing else. Like the second shot, I had some shot arm lymph node underarm swelling that was uncomfortable for a day but noticeable for the better part of a week. No fever or anything like the fatigue with the second shot. Surprizingly, we were one of the only two cars in line at the county facility.
'Just returned from the Doctor's office.
He told us the generally available test for vaccine-produced anti-bodies only reveals whether or not said anti-bodies ARE PRESENT. It does not reveal the amount/level/strength thereof. Bottom line: there's no way to know if the anti-bodies present exist in sufficient numbers to 'get the job done' by having the generally available test. The test that actually does all that is a prohibitively expensive one only used in research projects. Needless to say, we're foregoing the test that's available to us. 'Waste of effort.
So, I asked his professional opinion as to whether the two of US (he knows our specific medical histories) should be getting the booster shots or not.
His answer was an EMPHATIC "yes"...and then he explained all the reasons why that was the case.
So, 'care to guess what my Mrs and I will be doing tomorrow???
