That's very compelling science Brian....Where do I join up?
More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.
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That's very compelling science Brian....Where do I join up?
That's a very telling observation Ian. I am similarly confused so I will become a swing voter, not that they're ever going to ask us to vote on this stuff anyway. They already seem to have made up their minds..
I saw a headline in the Daily Express today (I didn't buy it, it was on a chair in the Hospice. They seem to encourage newspapers with gloomy headlines to, er, hasten the process). Anyway, it alluded to "Britain's wacky weather".
Well, hello, it was about -2 degrees today and a beautiful bright & sunny winters day, typical of the British Isles at this time of year.. and yet.. such is the soporific drip drip effect of such banner headlines, that this "phenomena" was comprehensively discussed over coffee amid frowns and tut tuts.
What fucking phenomena? It's fucking WINTER! Get over it.:furious:
The point is, this "thing" has gained so much momentum that no ordinary person can, hand on heart, make a value judgement anymore, and so we will be dragged into God knows what legislation to "correct" the "situation" without so much as a whimper.
In the business world you'd go to jail for such munipulation of data.
The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph
The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph
Pete McCluskey.
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I'll tell you why it matters, because the U.N. and administrations around the World are manipulating you with their lies, so the greedy bastards can make $$$.
Personally I hate being manipulated and taxed because of false data.
If you don't mind that by all means go build your cars.
...and despite all the "warming", we have record snow with more to come:
Latest New England snowstorm sets new records as forecasters warn more on the way | Fox News
Hasn't that been pretty much what we've had for the last 3-4 years now in many places 'round the world?
Oh! Wait a sec! That proves global warming is happening, duzzinit. I keep forgetting that no matter what the weather does - it's proof global warming is real.
Condemnation of the sources/articles/info in the links above (not to mention the conclusions drawn from same) in 5...4...3...2...1...
:dozey:
G'night, all.
marc
Lifetime Supporter
we have been manipulated since the doc slapped you coming out of your mom. And when you stand up to the manips, they slap you down again
If you think global climate change won't be a chronic problem in our lifetimes (I'm 47) then you don't understand just how quickly the problem is progressing.
It doesn't really matter if it's caused by man or not. It's way past that at this point. Regardless, us (man) needs to be managing the issue right now with some life-changing and culture-changing solutions.
And if you think the scientific community (ie. the people who know something about climatology) is still debating whether climate change is real and a life threatening reality...then you need to get into the 21st Century. That debate is long over in the scientific community. That debate has been over for years.
But in the end, you don't need to believe me or people a lot smarter than me, ultimately, all you gotta do is wait.
It doesn't really matter if it's caused by man or not. It's way past that at this point. Regardless, us (man) needs to be managing the issue right now with some life-changing and culture-changing solutions.
And if you think the scientific community (ie. the people who know something about climatology) is still debating whether climate change is real and a life threatening reality...then you need to get into the 21st Century. That debate is long over in the scientific community. That debate has been over for years.
But in the end, you don't need to believe me or people a lot smarter than me, ultimately, all you gotta do is wait.
Pete McCluskey.
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Err where have I heard the science is settled before? read post #1471, while I shake my head and ride into the sunset!
'From the "warmers". And you'll CONTINUE to hear that from them.
You'll CONTINUE to hear that - AND you'll continue to be labeled a LOON for pointing out the DEMONSTRATABLE BULL PUCKY that their side is continually trying to pass off as "fact" is actually "bull pucky (even though unbiased/unaltered evidence suggests you're dead-on.)
I about PUKED today when Obama said CLIMATE CHANGE is a bigger threat than terrorism!!!!!!!? :stunned: :rolleyes2: :beadyeyes::beadyeyes::beadyeyes:
In WHAT parallel universe does that man reside, exactly??????????????
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Pete McCluskey.
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Hang on Larry a good Muslim will always say that.
Pete McCluskey.
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So the science is settled......just like butter.:laugh:
SO BUTTER IS GOOD FOR YOU. JUST LIKE GLOBAL WARMING, THEN.
The big story in all the papers this week is that butter is good for you, after all.
I say “after all” because for most of my life butter has been widely touted by the Health Establishment as the dietary equivalent of Polonium-210. That’s why, when you go to the supermarket, every other product on the shelves screams at you about how healthily “low fat” it is; why, at some high-street coffee chains, you can’t get your latte made with full-fat milk even if you ask because they only do “skimmed” or “semi-skimmed”; and why, perhaps most damningly, we’re currently experiencing an epidemic of obesity and type 2 diabetes.
It all goes back to some now discredited ‘research’ conducted in the 1950s by an American dietician called Ancel Keys. This was inspired, in turn, by a Russian researcher Nikolaj Nikolajewitsch Anitschkow who in 1913 fed large quantities of animal fats to rabbits and noted that their cholesterol levels went through the roof. Keys postulated that the key to a healthy diet was to pursue a “Mediterranean” lifestyle – high on olive oil, low on saturated animal fats.
Keys’s research was seized on eagerly by the bansturbators of the Nanny State and their allies in the medical and food industries. From 1957 the American Heart Association began targeting animal fats as public enemy number one. In 1977, fat-avoidance became US government policy with the launch of the McGovern dietary guidelines. Britain later followed suit.
As a result, the lifestyles of many in the West were transformed quite radically. Food products that hitherto been associated with comfort, homeliness and abundance – eggs, butter, cream, bacon, succulent fatty meat, beef dripping (which I remember my grandparents spreading thickly on toast in the 1970s) – now began to be seen as forbidden pleasures, best consumed in moderation, or better still – for the really virtuous – not at all.
Meanwhile, the food industry grew fat on exploiting our neuroses with new healthy products like “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter” and Flora (posh margarine, basically), low fat yoghurts and low fat everything else. Another beneficiary was the sugar and corn syrup industry. One of the great advantages of fat is that it is a carrier of flavour (which is why novice vegetarians so sorely miss bacon sandwiches). Once fat was out of the mix, something else had to be put in to make food taste of something. So relatively harmless fat began being replaced by sugar which research increasingly suggests is the real culprit responsible for all that obesity and type 2 diabetes.
Not all experts in the field, however, were persuaded by the ‘evidence’ that animal fats were the problem. As early as 1977 Dr George Mann, in the New England Journal of Medicine, described the cholesterol myth as ‘the greatest scam in the history of medicine’. In 1997, a massive trial of 350,000 men at high risk of heart disease found that drastically cutting down their cholesterol and saturated fat consumption did not improve their survival prospects. Worse, according to an earlier study in Finland, men who continued to follow a low-saturated-fat diet were twice as likely to die of heart disease as those who didn’t. In fact no trial has ever demonstrated the benefits of reducing dietary fat.
Mann, of course, was ridiculed and marginalised for his outrageous rejection of the Consensus.
Does any of the scenario I’ve just outlined above sound at all familiar?
Let me offer a brief summary of the salient points.
1. Scientist hypothesises novel scare-theory which, if true, will require radical action to prevent the Bad Thing happening.
2. Government seizes on this theory because “Why not?”. It seems to be becoming a fashionable area of public concern and, hey, new regulation will demonstrate how caring the government is for little financial outlay and with beneficial consequences for the common weal.
3. Puritans and rent-seekers have a field day. The puritans – like the American Heart Foundation – get to moralise, regulate and prevent people doing what they enjoy. The rent-seekers rush in to make money out of this newly-invented, artificial “low-fat” market which, remember, would probably have never existed without government intervention.
4. Dissenting scientists are mocked and marginalised.
5. The consequences turn out not to be beneficial or cost-free. Health problems, far from being resolved, seem to increase. People have been needlessly frightened out of doing things they would have preferred to do (eg put butter on their toast rather than ruddy Flora). Crony-capitalists (the wrong sort of capitalists) have thrived at the expense of the right sort.
6. Many years later, the ugly truth begins to emerge. But the low fat religion is so heavily embedded in the culture that resistance from the Health Establishment is bitter. And, of course, no heads roll for the decades’ worth of damage inflicted by government regulation and false advice on a population which foolishly trusted the government because government’s don’t pass laws without first doing their due dilligence do they?
SO BUTTER IS GOOD FOR YOU. JUST LIKE GLOBAL WARMING, THEN.
The big story in all the papers this week is that butter is good for you, after all.
I say “after all” because for most of my life butter has been widely touted by the Health Establishment as the dietary equivalent of Polonium-210. That’s why, when you go to the supermarket, every other product on the shelves screams at you about how healthily “low fat” it is; why, at some high-street coffee chains, you can’t get your latte made with full-fat milk even if you ask because they only do “skimmed” or “semi-skimmed”; and why, perhaps most damningly, we’re currently experiencing an epidemic of obesity and type 2 diabetes.
It all goes back to some now discredited ‘research’ conducted in the 1950s by an American dietician called Ancel Keys. This was inspired, in turn, by a Russian researcher Nikolaj Nikolajewitsch Anitschkow who in 1913 fed large quantities of animal fats to rabbits and noted that their cholesterol levels went through the roof. Keys postulated that the key to a healthy diet was to pursue a “Mediterranean” lifestyle – high on olive oil, low on saturated animal fats.
Keys’s research was seized on eagerly by the bansturbators of the Nanny State and their allies in the medical and food industries. From 1957 the American Heart Association began targeting animal fats as public enemy number one. In 1977, fat-avoidance became US government policy with the launch of the McGovern dietary guidelines. Britain later followed suit.
As a result, the lifestyles of many in the West were transformed quite radically. Food products that hitherto been associated with comfort, homeliness and abundance – eggs, butter, cream, bacon, succulent fatty meat, beef dripping (which I remember my grandparents spreading thickly on toast in the 1970s) – now began to be seen as forbidden pleasures, best consumed in moderation, or better still – for the really virtuous – not at all.
Meanwhile, the food industry grew fat on exploiting our neuroses with new healthy products like “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter” and Flora (posh margarine, basically), low fat yoghurts and low fat everything else. Another beneficiary was the sugar and corn syrup industry. One of the great advantages of fat is that it is a carrier of flavour (which is why novice vegetarians so sorely miss bacon sandwiches). Once fat was out of the mix, something else had to be put in to make food taste of something. So relatively harmless fat began being replaced by sugar which research increasingly suggests is the real culprit responsible for all that obesity and type 2 diabetes.
Not all experts in the field, however, were persuaded by the ‘evidence’ that animal fats were the problem. As early as 1977 Dr George Mann, in the New England Journal of Medicine, described the cholesterol myth as ‘the greatest scam in the history of medicine’. In 1997, a massive trial of 350,000 men at high risk of heart disease found that drastically cutting down their cholesterol and saturated fat consumption did not improve their survival prospects. Worse, according to an earlier study in Finland, men who continued to follow a low-saturated-fat diet were twice as likely to die of heart disease as those who didn’t. In fact no trial has ever demonstrated the benefits of reducing dietary fat.
Mann, of course, was ridiculed and marginalised for his outrageous rejection of the Consensus.
Does any of the scenario I’ve just outlined above sound at all familiar?
Let me offer a brief summary of the salient points.
1. Scientist hypothesises novel scare-theory which, if true, will require radical action to prevent the Bad Thing happening.
2. Government seizes on this theory because “Why not?”. It seems to be becoming a fashionable area of public concern and, hey, new regulation will demonstrate how caring the government is for little financial outlay and with beneficial consequences for the common weal.
3. Puritans and rent-seekers have a field day. The puritans – like the American Heart Foundation – get to moralise, regulate and prevent people doing what they enjoy. The rent-seekers rush in to make money out of this newly-invented, artificial “low-fat” market which, remember, would probably have never existed without government intervention.
4. Dissenting scientists are mocked and marginalised.
5. The consequences turn out not to be beneficial or cost-free. Health problems, far from being resolved, seem to increase. People have been needlessly frightened out of doing things they would have preferred to do (eg put butter on their toast rather than ruddy Flora). Crony-capitalists (the wrong sort of capitalists) have thrived at the expense of the right sort.
6. Many years later, the ugly truth begins to emerge. But the low fat religion is so heavily embedded in the culture that resistance from the Health Establishment is bitter. And, of course, no heads roll for the decades’ worth of damage inflicted by government regulation and false advice on a population which foolishly trusted the government because government’s don’t pass laws without first doing their due dilligence do they?
marc
Lifetime Supporter
The stuff you said seems right. But the fact is only death and taxes are enevitable. Unfortunately one of them seems to be increasing faster than global warming, that is global taxation. Governments all over the world are more interested in paying themselves and their agendas than whats good for their people. Don't they always say... Follow the money.
Pete McCluskey.
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Absolutely freakin keerect, that is all it's about the $$$$$$$
Pete McCluskey.
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Speaking of which, Al Gore predicts Arctic to be ice free by 2014.
http://youtu.be/MsioIw4bvzI.
http://youtu.be/MsioIw4bvzI.
Pete McCluskey.
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Climate sceptic blasts attempts to silence him...Climate skeptic blasts 'shameless attempt to silence' research | TheHill
Pete McCluskey.
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And the Syrian war was caused by Climate Change WTF?
Global Warming Helped Spur Syrian War, Study Says - NBC News
Global Warming Helped Spur Syrian War, Study Says - NBC News
Typical. 'Pathetic, arrogant, duck-and-dodge non answers.
She "doesn't know" a darned thing...except exactly how much more tax money she wants her agency to get.
'Truly amazin', ain't it... :evil3:
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