Doug
(quote)Gotta love the way you love to wince words, Marc. At the risk of being abraisive (not that you mind doing so), I call BS on your comments. Those who have found loopholes are the wealthy who can afford "dancing horses", and the large corporations like GE....and who managed to get favorable tax laws for themselves because of their affluence and influence. Wouldn't you like to see GE divvy up some of that $5B they received last year?
I don't think that you understand that everyone should pay taxes that includes the wealthy. I am for a flat tax that only has a single loophole that incentives home ownership. That way local taxes can pay local govts to have police fire and schools, not to mention your trash picked up and your sewer take your waste away.
Since Corporations are considered an entity they should pay up like all of us do. Don't think that the Tea Party created this BS. This is done by Dems and Repubs, and I don't like it.
(quote)And the TEA party is a bunch of radical right wingers....anyone who says elsewise ought to look at who is pointing fingers these days....you'll find that the vast majority of TEA Partiers are the ones pointing fingers, or at least those who the TEA party has in their pocket, like Boehner. Are the TEA partiers trying to reach a resolution or just belly-aching and talking bullshirt? I suspect that they are enjoying both. I'm tired of their bullying and so are the vast majority of Americans...you're a very vocal minority, but the voting public is the "silent majority" and they spoke loud and clear in the last election...let's hope they speak even louder in the next election and get rid of the obstructionist Republicans altogether. I sure would like to see this TEA party issue be the Republican Party's Waterloo!!!!!
You are so full of bs that we are RADICAL. We want transperency, ethics in govt, lower taxes, no corruption, and a whole lot less spending. We give away money to every country, employ 1 in 10 people of the country in the government (all govt) or servicing the government and keep afloat govts that should have failed. Detroit, has no business getting a bailout because they have ruined their city with corruption and poor negotiation. And speaking of negotiation that is what Boehner is trying to do. Tea Party does not have deep pockets, we have phones, email, and letters that are communicating that we are not happy. The majority you speak of does not get off the couch unless its time to collect their welfare checks.
(quote)Time for more reasonable actions and less big talk....find a way to resolve the problems at hand instead of being the anchor on the boat.
Reasonable actions in your mind is raise the debt limit to be unlimited, pass a continuing resolution to keep blowing money and sink the boat. Negiotiation is just not happening because the Senate, Harry Reid, will not negotiate. P..Obama will not negotiate. The is not negotiating. When Obama called that Reps to the White House, what do you think happened? Obama said My way or the Highway. Sound like negotiation to you?
(quote)Don't like what I said? I don't expect you to, but like the other radical right wing TEA Partiers, you're so blinded by your distrust and dislike for our government that you can't see the forest for the trees. You all ought to be ashamed.
Radical, Extremeist, Nutters is all you got? Do you like paying more taxes? Do you like the fact that Obamacare has created a windfall for insurance companies by double or tripling healthcare costs and insurance? We let the govt take over the rails and it cost the taxpayers Trillions over the years. The postal service is losing money left and right and cannot meet its pension costs. The printing of money is another loss leader. Our military are scrapping brand new planes that are bought from other countries.
(quote)No cheers for the TEA party, oh, no!!!
Doug,
I would like to ask you and your democrat friends.
Do YOU want to pay more money for getting worse service?
Do You want to pay more money out of your pocket for more taxes?
Do You like paying for elected officials to make millions off lobbiests and get free healthcare at your expense for life?
Don't change the subject, answer the questions honestly and I think you will realize that you maybe an possible Tea Party member or a complete Utopian, Eliteist, Communist (understand what communism is before you rant).
Marc
I am going to go out on a limb and say I pretty much agree with most everything said here. Except in reality he TEA party does not present or act that way. In addition if you have someone like Michelle Bachman potificating on your behalf its hard for a sentient being to take it seriously, or take seriously the people who elected someone like that.
There are two issues where I would take issue with what you said. The first is that the majority are not all on couch collecting welfare. The majority of the so called majority go to work and slog through from paycheck to paycheck.
What the so called suffering working majority fail to undertsand is that the only way to change that possibility is through a vibrant economy.. Now a government taxing small buisness and professionals to oblivion while letting corporations walk and handing out sweets to the medical and insurace industry will not make a vibrant economy, what it makes is a parasitical gov with some wealthy(who grow richer) feeding of the government teat. And is this regard the tea party is spot on.
On the same theme. peopole talk of opportunity like its an escalator or elevator somehting some people got on for free through good fortune and rode to the top. Maybe some inherited and did. But opportunity is actualy a long long flight of very narrow stairs that has to be laboriously climbed and negotiated. Not everyone is prepared to or even wants to make the full climb. Lack of opportunity is when the stairs are blocked. Ironicaly its Gov doing most of the stair blocking these days while promising an escalator ride.
The other area where I take issue with Tea party is on foreign policy. We are not nor should we be an isolationst country. We are not going back to the gold standard nor can we. Our wealth postr ww2 comes from international trade, having the dollar as the worlds reserve currency and being engaged. Without that we can go back to a 1930's semi depression agrarian state, and that is not going to happen.
But yes otheriwse you are right. Everyone should pay something, its easy to always raise taxes on someone else.. The loophole free ride for corps should be over. Loopholes gotta go. The insurace industry in cahoots with gov is bleeding us dry. And yes those of us who do pay taxes, the 45% who do, are fed up. We work we pay and we see it being wasted, and wasted by both parties.
Those who denigrate the tea party should also see that it is corretly tapping into a raw nerve. 99% of working families making more than 150k are not offshore loopholed, they pay a now 39% tax rate, another .9% for obaba care state payroll etc in the end they are left with 50% if they are lucky. Try running let alone growing a buisness when 50% is taken in good times, nothing is put back in bad and you and your family have to eat etc.
I looked the other day I have 4 employees we provide full medical, it costs $100k per year. Now I get my taxes raised and pay for obabab care too. Its funny because they said that we were subsidising the 30% who had no medical with higher premiums to cover hospital costs. So in theory Obabab care lowers premiums now that everyone is in, except that is not the case, we just get more taxes.
Now I will bet any of you $1000 that like every other gov program, 10 years from now obabab care will be in fiscal crisis, like medicare medicaid social security any military procurement you care to name, in fact like asnything gov does, this program will be in fiscal crisis and underfunded taking on the liabiliy of more debt, that is a certainty. And as anation we will be even less able to afford it. This si my logical rational objection to the whole thing.
I was talking to a feind in aAustralia, which really is a near socialst country. Their tax burden fed state equiv is lower. They pay 1.5% for full medical. In the Uk now the max tax rate is 45%. Here in real rate taking fed state soc security, obabab city etc its over 50% and close to 60% in califronia. The system is not working folks. I am all for providing medical within reason to everybody, what human is not. But another bloated program from a technicaly bankrupt state is surely not agood plan, especialy as its special interest loopholed giving billions to insurance comapanies lawyers and lobbyist.
The Tea party though needs to mature also, being represented by religious loonies is not the way. But yeah I do applaud people who do things because they remeber why they were elected, as opposed to all the other who do things to get elected again.
I would say that we ignore the tea party message at our peril. They will be elected again and grow, comming back to bite, but also their core economic gripe no matter how inarticulate is correct and the doom reality they forsee is not wrong. look at Greece and Spain It can and will happen here, only we are too big to bail out. Its excessive hubris to think we can go on as we are and the muisic will always play. Those who think that way are fooling us and themselvs, its maths in the end, and maths is cold and calculating, it does not play politics. I would likje to leave a healthy vibrant country for my chilldren and grandchilldren not a smouldering debt ridden heap.
