Spot the car...
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1) Tipo 60/61 Maserati birdcage
2) a racing car
3) Drug induced suspension design.....
2) a racing car
3) Drug induced suspension design.....
Mike Pass
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Maserati Birdcage is right. This example is owned by the Minshaws of Demon Tweeks fame.
A couple of clues on the others - they are both from small english race car or sports car makers. One is a new one and one does back to the sixties - both are still in business.
Cheers
Mike
A couple of clues on the others - they are both from small english race car or sports car makers. One is a new one and one does back to the sixties - both are still in business.
Cheers
Mike
Chevron?
Very good call Rick, I would say it's the Chevron GR8 but would have to say if it is, it's a shame they used that moniker, as that name will always belong to Gulf Racing, John Wyer and John Horsman and their Le Mans winning GR8 (nee Mirage).
Still it's a nice looking piece I've only ever seen one from the front and it looks even better from the back (if indeed it is one).
Cosworth what?
Still it's a nice looking piece I've only ever seen one from the front and it looks even better from the back (if indeed it is one).
Cosworth what?
The only brothers I can think of are the Millikens (of Amazon.com: Race Car Vehicle Dynamics (R146) (9781560915263): William F. Milliken, Douglas L. Milliken: Books fame.)
Actually, Doug is Bill's son. I have known them for 40 years. I last saw Bill at the Watkins Glen Motor Racing Library a year ago this past weekend. He was talking about his book, the autobiography, not the Race Car Dynamics one (I checked that out of the library once, looked at all the pictures, and when I saw the formulas and charts returned it.....WAY over my head).
I had the pleasure of visiting their home many years ago and seeing the suspension test single seater in the flesh as well as pictures of it running with some very interesting geometries! Brilliant people and nice too.
I guessed the birdcage, was wrong on the second. That suspension upsets me. Theoretically workable if strength OK, but it is too leveraged away from the pivots for my liking; doesn't fundamentally follow a simple, logical positioning.
Just dumb luck, they live in the area and Doug (Bugs Dillikan was his nickname to some) was a friend of a friend of mine.
I didn't understand when I was younger what Bill had done nor the level of expertise. Of course, that Bill was Clerk of the Course at Watkins and could get me into the track and allow me to get Jimmy Clark's autograph WAS a bonus. Google "Milliken's corner" at Watkins Glen for more info.
Mike Pass
Supporter
I guess no one is going to get the last one.
The answer is that it is a Ginetta G16 and is the Ginetta built opponent of the Chevron B6/B8. It went very well against the Chevrons in the race and at the time was ahead in the championship. The front suspension is very unusual and I have never seen anything like it before. Why the rear pivot is not the other side of the strut as normal I don't know but the Walklett brothers did things their own way.
We used to run a Ginetta G4 in Modsports in the early seventies and we were told at the time that they designed their cars by drawing chalk lines on the garage floor and then built up from there. The car was however very quick as it weighed less than 900lbs and had a Cosworth MAE screamer engine stroked out to 1,150cc (the class limit) - 132bhp and 10,000rpm.
Cheers
Mike
The answer is that it is a Ginetta G16 and is the Ginetta built opponent of the Chevron B6/B8. It went very well against the Chevrons in the race and at the time was ahead in the championship. The front suspension is very unusual and I have never seen anything like it before. Why the rear pivot is not the other side of the strut as normal I don't know but the Walklett brothers did things their own way.
We used to run a Ginetta G4 in Modsports in the early seventies and we were told at the time that they designed their cars by drawing chalk lines on the garage floor and then built up from there. The car was however very quick as it weighed less than 900lbs and had a Cosworth MAE screamer engine stroked out to 1,150cc (the class limit) - 132bhp and 10,000rpm.
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike,
The Ginetta G12 ran against the Chevron B6/B8 the G16 was design to run with the Chevron B16 and Lotus 45 which it did fairly well.
The G16 front suspension triangulation is not that difficult to understand when one considers that the biggest single force are the brakes and to minemise front wheel tracking under braking they put two top triangulation points equaldistance to the steering rack.
Ex mechanic to Ian Tee's G16
Roel Hellemans
The Ginetta G12 ran against the Chevron B6/B8 the G16 was design to run with the Chevron B16 and Lotus 45 which it did fairly well.
The G16 front suspension triangulation is not that difficult to understand when one considers that the biggest single force are the brakes and to minemise front wheel tracking under braking they put two top triangulation points equaldistance to the steering rack.
Ex mechanic to Ian Tee's G16
Roel Hellemans
The suspension in photo 3, I was trying to understand how exactly the pliers and wrenches helped with the geometry.
