Will There Be a Paddock on the New GT40s.com?

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Either drop it all together or don't restrict it at all.

However...……. I have a second less attractive position (to me) and that is restrict all political (including guns) social, and religious threads from the paddock as well as other pages/ discussion categories.

Why? We simple don't need them. The value of GT40s is the technical and resource information as well as the build logs which may be the most valuable, especially to home builders. The discussion's about Obama, Trump, guns, etc. don't add value to the core asset and frankly don't add viewers with questions and helpful information related to our core subject and interest...…….GT40s, other mid engine prototypes, and home built high performance street and track cars.

Now, I personally would miss the jokes and the other interesting news/subjects such as the aviation related perspective that a few members have added to aircraft centric threads from time to time. The other threads that I tend to drift off to from time to time are interesting funny takes on life that defy description but we all know what they are.

On the whole I would advise that you keep the fun and informative stuff and drop the divisive threads. After all there are countless other forums for the religious, political, and social subjects.

Ron. You know how much I value this forum. If it's in the best interest of the forum then I trust you to make the best decision you can.



As has been mentioned ad nauseam, one need not go to Paddock threads one finds 'offensive' for this or that reason...in fact, w/o the required password currently being considered, NOBODY could. So, I fail to see the actual 'problem' either from the standpoint of 'offending' current/future visitors to this site OR offending 'sensitive' paid-up and/or non-supporting members.

Personally, I could not care less which way the 'issue' may be decided. I just find the whole debate leading up to it a bit more than somewhat 'pretentious'/'unnessary' in more ways than one.

'Bottom line IMHO: 'Seems to me the "password" option should provide the best all-around 'solution'.
 

Randy V

Staff member
Admin
Lifetime Supporter
What about this (which I have seen before and it works well)
Paddock - basically an Off Topic forum that is open to all members.
The Pub - a restricted forum where politics, guns, et al polarizing topics can be discussed. The Pub would have little moderation and few rules or restrictions.

One thing I would like to caution on though -
We have had discussions get out of control in the past including - Personal attacks, threats of physical violence, exposure of personal and confidential information. I would like to make sure that we limit threats and confidential information for certain and to discourage personal attacks.

Yeah, you may think that the other guy is an idiot - but if he truly is, an intelligent person would realize pretty quickly that he is not going to change the idiot’s mind..

Someone once said -
“While it is possible to win an argument with an intelligent person, it is impossible to win an argument with an idiot...”
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
'Makes perfect sense to me...


...perhaps have a "password"-controlled entry into "The Pub" to avoid "offending" ANYBODY who didn't purposely intend to enter therein?
 

Randy V

Staff member
Admin
Lifetime Supporter
Precisely Larry... The Pub would be password protected, thereby restricted... We could reserve access to this area to forum supporters also.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
"We could reserve access to this area to forum supporters also."

'Perfect. That would eliminate the "visitors (et al) might be offended" issue.
 
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Mike

Lifetime Supporter
Worthless political tripe has ruined the forum and chased away many of the real GT40 enthusiasts. This site and domain should be owned and operated by people who love & own a GT40. Everyone else can take a hike...
 

Ron Earp

Admin
Worthless political tripe has ruined the forum and chased away many of the real GT40 enthusiasts. This site and domain should be owned and operated by people who love & own a GT40. Everyone else can take a hike...
Awww, so I have to leave too?

Don't worry Mr. Mike. When we swap over to the new forum software all you're going to see is GT40s all the time. No political threads, no alternative facts, nothing that would disturb your world view. Believe me, you're going to love it. GT40s 24/7.
 

Mike

Lifetime Supporter
I am not able to query the forum database but I would be willing to wager that the top 5 most active users in the last 12 months, don't own, have never owned, have no interest in owning, nor give a rats ass about GT40s. Seems odd on a site named GT40s...

Anyone here for world views must have gotten lost.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Mike please sell your car and go away. A number of good GT40 owners have left because of you. Alan Watkins a very knowledgeable guy with two 40s but left because of you. He just had Hulman build him a GT40 clone that would have been great a great build to watch, but because of Mike we don’t get to see it. I Left the paddock because of politics but I stopped posting about cars because of you. Yes Mike I have a GT40 and a Le Mans Prototype but you won’t hear about them.
 
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Mike

Lifetime Supporter
Not sure who you are and why you would stop posting about cars because of me. My guess is you are looking at me through some political colored glasses because I made the mistake of getting sucked into that nonsense and sharing a position. I think you are making my point for me since my position has always been once politics pollutes the forum, everyone here from that point forward will despise those with whom they disagree with politically in the absence of any other differences.

It’s good Alan had someone build him a car because while he was never lacking in the complaining dept, over the course of several years he was never able to make much progress building his car. His car 2160 was the sister to my car. I had my own issues with SPF but unlike Alan, I worked to a resolution rather than sit on my ass and trash the brand ad nauseam. If you remember there were a number of people who finally got tired of Alan doing nothing but complain and finally called him in it. Nobody asked Alan to leave. His own bitterness drove him away.

As to others leaving, you are full if shit. I’m great friends with several people on this site who are true GT40 enthusiasts and builders. Whether I sell my car or keep it, I will not spend much time here. This site has devolved into mostly bitter old men spending their final time on this earth sitting behind a keyboard insulting each other over things they have no control over. No thanks.
 

Randy V

Staff member
Admin
Lifetime Supporter
Mike - I would encourage you to step swiftly so the door doesn’t hit you in the arse!
 

Mike

Lifetime Supporter
Wow Randy some time back you threatened to ban me when I pointed out the damaging nature of political diatribes on this a car site. I then signed off and left the forum for a couple months. You recently contacted me and asked me to please return, that my contribution was missed and that you had closed down the politics as it had become too vitriolic. I had been gone and played no part in that. Now you are contemplating bringing it back? I think that’s a horrible idea and now you want me to leave again for saying so? I’ll say publicly what I said awhile back. Please refund my lifetime membership and that will be the last you ever hear from me.
 

Ron Earp

Admin
Whether I sell my car or keep it, I will not spend much time here. This site has devolved into mostly bitter old men spending their final time on this earth sitting behind a keyboard insulting each other over things they have no control over. No thanks.
You don't seem to care for the forum much at all. That's perfectly acceptable since everyone is entitled to an opinion. But when you continue to return to a place you don't like and disparage it and its members, well, that's illogical behavior.

You've been on the site since 2011 so with your Lifetime Supporter status that to date is about 14.6 cents a day or 13.7 cents a post. Seems like a good deal.

Oh, and the top five posters on the site in the last twelve months, or top posters overall, have all had or currently have GT40s.
 

Mike

Lifetime Supporter
It’s a great deal and I would send you double my original donation if the place was not being turned into a political hate site. You the owner along with several others including Randy the lead admin clearly do not like the current political landscape. It’s evident in that you allow a couple of very decisive individuals to day in and day out trash people and perspectives you disagree with. Had politics and all the divisiveness that goes with it not been allowed I would not know nor care about your political leanings nor you mine. The only people I have disparaged are those that are here to attack and insult others over politics who have no interest in contributing anything to the GT40 community.
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
Someone once said -
“While it is possible to win an argument with an intelligent person, it is impossible to win an argument with an idiot...”
Bill Barwick says it well in a song he named “George’s Rule”:

“Never argue with someone more stupid than you.
It’ll just make ‘em mad if you do.
Just leave ‘em believing what they know to be true.
Never argue with someone more stupid than you!”

I have the bumper sticker on the case for my road guitar, regularly posted a photo to answer a lot of “drivel” by a member with forum name initials L.B.

Onward! Thru the fog!!!

Cheers from Doug
 

Randy V

Staff member
Admin
Lifetime Supporter
It’s a great deal and I would send you double my original donation if the place was not being turned into a political hate site. You the owner along with several others including Randy the lead admin clearly do not like the current political landscape. It’s evident in that you allow a couple of very decisive individuals to day in and day out trash people and perspectives you disagree with. Had politics and all the divisiveness that goes with it not been allowed I would not know nor care about your political leanings nor you mine. The only people I have disparaged are those that are here to attack and insult others over politics who have no interest in contributing anything to the GT40 community.
One thread ((ONE)) was maintained for Political discussion out of over 40,000 threads (see stats below) and suddenly we’re a Political Hate Site?
Mike I had hopes to try and get you turned around since you were a supporter and contributor to the site both monetarily as well as content (in the past).

Instead, over the last year, you have managed to become the number ONE Aggravating pimple on my posterior.... Someone who apparently thinks he can throw his weight around by continuing to disparage and threaten members as well as the staff here.
YOUR dissatisfaction with the Politics Thread as well as the direction of this site means very little. Certainly not enough to cause me or any other moderator to pull that thread or make any other changes solely based on your demands...
I have wasted enough bandwidth on you...
 

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Mike

Lifetime Supporter
I’ve threatened nobody. You asked me to come back. I did and have just stated I think bringing politics back is a bad idea. Others can make their own judgement as to who has remained calm and collected.
 
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