Climate change
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My wife's former army hospital in Germany had to host Tipper for a while when the Gore's son was sick there - apparently Tipper was a MAJOR b&%ch to most everyone. I've heard from other folks that have met her that's she's pretty cold and rude.
If that's what your wife is like, then indeed it's more enjoyable to be alone.
If that's what your wife is like, then indeed it's more enjoyable to be alone.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Sounds like they would be perfect for each other then!
Maybe Tipper is tired of the genius Al.
It seems that he "invented the internet". It seems that the book 'Love Story' was written about him and Tipper (Not!) Maybe Al's delusions are worse in private and she can see that he is going off of the deep end. She might be smarter than she looks.
Garry
It seems that he "invented the internet". It seems that the book 'Love Story' was written about him and Tipper (Not!) Maybe Al's delusions are worse in private and she can see that he is going off of the deep end. She might be smarter than she looks.
Garry
LOL...
I'm having fun with this thread...
Who wrote the Book Of Love?
Lyrics -
I wonder wonder who, oouu who
Who wrote the book of love
Tell me, tell me, tell me
Oh who wrote the book of love
I've got to know the answer
Was it someone from above
I wonder wonder who, be-do-do who
Who wrote the book of love
I, I love you darlin'
Baby you know I do
But I've got to see this book of love
Find out why it's true
I wonder wonder who, be-doooo who
Who wrote the book of love.....
((HINT))
I don't think it was Big-Al !!!! :lipsrsealed:
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
No it was the Monotones. YouTube - The Monotones: Who Wrote The Book Of Love
Pat Buckley
GT40s Supporter
That would be that last name I would choose if I were starting a band.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Yeah, I reckon the Off keys, or the tone deafs would be much better.:thumbsup:
The Washington Post
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen , Norway . Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelt which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.
I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 . As reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 88 years ago!:laugh:
Inside the Beltway - Washington Times
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen , Norway . Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelt which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.
I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 . As reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 88 years ago!:laugh:
Inside the Beltway - Washington Times
I think tree-hugging should be banned, as it gets the trees all hot and sappy.
Ooops, sorry for that. I think the warming climate (floods?) is getting to me.
Ooops, sorry for that. I think the warming climate (floods?) is getting to me.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
The Australian Government is trying to push through a tax on carbon, you know CO2, that's one part carbon and two parts Oxygen, the stuff we were taught in school is the staff of life, the stuff we breath. This is despite the Prime Minister Juliar Gillard stating categorically prior to the last election that there would be no such tax.
She has appointed a chap at a salary of $180,000. P.A. to convince us why a carbon tax is necessary. Tim Flannery is his name.
Below is an article by Andrew Bolt that points out his track record.
It pays to check out Tim Flannery's predictions about climate change
Andrew Bolt
February 12, 2011 12:00AM
Tim Flannery has had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking human-made climate change will destroy Earth, says Andrew Bolt.
TIM Flannery has just been hired by the Gillard Government to scare us stupid, and I can't think of a better man for the job.
This Alarmist of the Year is worth every bit of the $180,000 salary he'll get as part-time chairman of the Government's new Climate Commission.
His job is simple: to advise us that we really, truly have to accept, say, the new tax on carbon dioxide emissions that this Government threatens to impose.
This kind of work is just up the dark alley of Flannery, author of The Weather Makers, that bible of booga booga.
He's had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking our exhausts are turning the world into a fireball that will wipe out civilisation, melt polar ice caps and drown entire cities under hot seas.
Small problem, though: after so many years of hearing Flannery's predictions, we're now able to see if some of the scariest have actually panned out.
And we're also able to see if people who bet real money on his advice have cleaned up or been cleaned out.
So before we buy a great green tax from Flannery, whose real expertise is actually in mammology, it may pay to check his record. Ready?
In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney 's dams could be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains, leaving the city "facing extreme difficulties with water".
Check Sydney 's dam levels today: 73 per cent. Hmm. Not a good start.
In 2008, Flannery said: "The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009."
Check Adelaide 's water storage levels today: 77 per cent.
In 2007, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam-filling rains, as global warming had caused "a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot, "so even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and river systems ... ".
Check the Murray-Darling system today: in flood. Check Brisbane 's dam levels: 100 per cent full.
All this may seem funny, but some politicians, voters and investors have taken this kind of warming alarmism very seriously and made expensive decisions in the belief it was sound.
So let's check on them, too.
In 2007, Flannery predicted global warming would so dry our continent that desalination plants were needed to save three of our biggest cities from disaster.
As he put it: "Over the past 50 years, southern Australia has lost about 20 per cent of its rainfall, and one cause is almost certainly global warming ...
"In Adelaide , Sydney and Brisbane , water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months."
One premier, Queensland 's Peter Beattie, took such predictions - made by other warming alarmists, too - so seriously that he spent more than $1 billion of taxpayers' money on a desalination plant, saying "it is only prudent to assume at this stage that lower-than-usual rainfalls could eventuate".
But check that desalination plant today: mothballed indefinitely, now that the rains have returned.
(Incidentally, notice how many of Flannery's big predictions date from 2007? That was the year warming alarmism reached its most hysterical pitch and Flannery was named Australian of the Year.)
Back to another tip Flannery gave in that year of warming terror. In 2007, he warned that "the social licence of coal to operate is rapidly being withdrawn globally" by governments worried by the warming allegedly caused by burning the stuff.
We should switch to "green" power instead, said Flannery, who recommended geothermal - pumping water on to hot rocks deep underground to create steam.
"There are hot rocks in South Australia that potentially have enough embedded energy in them to run Australia's economy for the best part of a century," he said.
"The technology to extract that energy and turn it into electricity is relatively straightforward."
Flannery repeatedly promoted this "straightforward" technology, and in 2009, the Rudd government awarded $90 million to Geodynamics to build a geothermal power plant in the Cooper Basin , the very area Flannery recommended. Coincidentally, Flannery has for years been a Geodynamics shareholder, a vested interest he sometimes declares.
Time to check on how that business tip went. Answer: erk.
The technology Flannery said was "relatively straighforward" wasn't.
One of Geodynamics' five wells at Innamincka collapsed in an explosion that damaged two others. All had to be plugged with cement.
The project has now been hit by the kind of floods Flannery didn't predict in a warming world, with Geodynamics announcing work had been further "delayed following extensive local rainfall in the Cooper Basin region".
The technological and financing difficulties mean there is no certainty now that a commercial-scale plant will ever get built, let alone prove viable, so it's no surprise the company's share price has almost halved in four months.
Never mind, here comes Flannery with his latest scares and you-beaut fix.
His job as Climate Commission chief, says Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, is to "provide an authoritative, independent source of information on climate change to the Australian community" and "build the consensus about reducing Australia 's carbon pollution".
That, translated, means selling us whatever scheme the Government cooks up to tax carbon dioxide, doing to the economy what the floods have done to Flannery's hot-rocks investment.
See why I say Flannery is the right man for this job? Who better to teach us how little we really know about global warming and how much it may cost to panic?
She has appointed a chap at a salary of $180,000. P.A. to convince us why a carbon tax is necessary. Tim Flannery is his name.
Below is an article by Andrew Bolt that points out his track record.
It pays to check out Tim Flannery's predictions about climate change
Andrew Bolt
February 12, 2011 12:00AM
Tim Flannery has had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking human-made climate change will destroy Earth, says Andrew Bolt.
TIM Flannery has just been hired by the Gillard Government to scare us stupid, and I can't think of a better man for the job.
This Alarmist of the Year is worth every bit of the $180,000 salary he'll get as part-time chairman of the Government's new Climate Commission.
His job is simple: to advise us that we really, truly have to accept, say, the new tax on carbon dioxide emissions that this Government threatens to impose.
This kind of work is just up the dark alley of Flannery, author of The Weather Makers, that bible of booga booga.
He's had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking our exhausts are turning the world into a fireball that will wipe out civilisation, melt polar ice caps and drown entire cities under hot seas.
Small problem, though: after so many years of hearing Flannery's predictions, we're now able to see if some of the scariest have actually panned out.
And we're also able to see if people who bet real money on his advice have cleaned up or been cleaned out.
So before we buy a great green tax from Flannery, whose real expertise is actually in mammology, it may pay to check his record. Ready?
In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney 's dams could be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains, leaving the city "facing extreme difficulties with water".
Check Sydney 's dam levels today: 73 per cent. Hmm. Not a good start.
In 2008, Flannery said: "The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009."
Check Adelaide 's water storage levels today: 77 per cent.
In 2007, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam-filling rains, as global warming had caused "a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot, "so even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and river systems ... ".
Check the Murray-Darling system today: in flood. Check Brisbane 's dam levels: 100 per cent full.
All this may seem funny, but some politicians, voters and investors have taken this kind of warming alarmism very seriously and made expensive decisions in the belief it was sound.
So let's check on them, too.
In 2007, Flannery predicted global warming would so dry our continent that desalination plants were needed to save three of our biggest cities from disaster.
As he put it: "Over the past 50 years, southern Australia has lost about 20 per cent of its rainfall, and one cause is almost certainly global warming ...
"In Adelaide , Sydney and Brisbane , water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months."
One premier, Queensland 's Peter Beattie, took such predictions - made by other warming alarmists, too - so seriously that he spent more than $1 billion of taxpayers' money on a desalination plant, saying "it is only prudent to assume at this stage that lower-than-usual rainfalls could eventuate".
But check that desalination plant today: mothballed indefinitely, now that the rains have returned.
(Incidentally, notice how many of Flannery's big predictions date from 2007? That was the year warming alarmism reached its most hysterical pitch and Flannery was named Australian of the Year.)
Back to another tip Flannery gave in that year of warming terror. In 2007, he warned that "the social licence of coal to operate is rapidly being withdrawn globally" by governments worried by the warming allegedly caused by burning the stuff.
We should switch to "green" power instead, said Flannery, who recommended geothermal - pumping water on to hot rocks deep underground to create steam.
"There are hot rocks in South Australia that potentially have enough embedded energy in them to run Australia's economy for the best part of a century," he said.
"The technology to extract that energy and turn it into electricity is relatively straightforward."
Flannery repeatedly promoted this "straightforward" technology, and in 2009, the Rudd government awarded $90 million to Geodynamics to build a geothermal power plant in the Cooper Basin , the very area Flannery recommended. Coincidentally, Flannery has for years been a Geodynamics shareholder, a vested interest he sometimes declares.
Time to check on how that business tip went. Answer: erk.
The technology Flannery said was "relatively straighforward" wasn't.
One of Geodynamics' five wells at Innamincka collapsed in an explosion that damaged two others. All had to be plugged with cement.
The project has now been hit by the kind of floods Flannery didn't predict in a warming world, with Geodynamics announcing work had been further "delayed following extensive local rainfall in the Cooper Basin region".
The technological and financing difficulties mean there is no certainty now that a commercial-scale plant will ever get built, let alone prove viable, so it's no surprise the company's share price has almost halved in four months.
Never mind, here comes Flannery with his latest scares and you-beaut fix.
His job as Climate Commission chief, says Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, is to "provide an authoritative, independent source of information on climate change to the Australian community" and "build the consensus about reducing Australia 's carbon pollution".
That, translated, means selling us whatever scheme the Government cooks up to tax carbon dioxide, doing to the economy what the floods have done to Flannery's hot-rocks investment.
See why I say Flannery is the right man for this job? Who better to teach us how little we really know about global warming and how much it may cost to panic?
I think the "tone deafs" would have been a great name for the "Red Hot Chili Peppers. Their first tune hurt my ears.
Sounds to me like Al Gore has found a disguise and his alter ego is this Flannery guy!
From another site:
"Let's put this into a bit of perspective for laymen!
ETS is another tax. It is equal to putting up the GST to 12.5% which would be unacceptable and produce an outcry.
Read the following analogy and you will realize the insignificance of carbon dioxide as a weather controller.
Pass on to all in your address book including politicians and may be they will listen to their constituents, rather than vested interests which stand to gain by the ETS.
Here's a practical way to understand Julia Gillard Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme.
Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let's go for a walk along it.
The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.
The next 210 metres are Oxygen.
That's 980 metres of the 1 kilometre. 20 metres to go.
The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.
9 metres are argon. Just 1 more metre.
A few gases make up the first bit of that last metre.
The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre - that's carbon dioxide. A bit over one foot.
97% of that is produced by Mother Nature. It’s natural.
Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 12 millimetres left. Just over a centimetre - about half an inch.
That’s the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity puts into the atmosphere.
And of those 12 millimetres Australia puts in .18 of a millimetre.
Less than the thickness of a hair. Out of a kilometre!
As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia 's contribution to what Julia Gillard calls Carbon Pollution.
Imagine Brisbane 's new Gateway Bridge , ready to be opened by Julia Gillard. It's been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of workers till its 1 kilometre length is surgically clean. Except that Julia Gillard says we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted - there's a human hair on the roadway. We'd laugh ourselves silly.
There are plenty of real pollution problems to worry about.
It's hard to imagine that Australia 's contribution to carbon dioxide in the world's atmosphere is one of the more pressing ones. And I can't believe that a new tax on everything is the only way to blow that pesky hair away."
"Let's put this into a bit of perspective for laymen!
ETS is another tax. It is equal to putting up the GST to 12.5% which would be unacceptable and produce an outcry.
Read the following analogy and you will realize the insignificance of carbon dioxide as a weather controller.
Pass on to all in your address book including politicians and may be they will listen to their constituents, rather than vested interests which stand to gain by the ETS.
Here's a practical way to understand Julia Gillard Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme.
Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let's go for a walk along it.
The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.
The next 210 metres are Oxygen.
That's 980 metres of the 1 kilometre. 20 metres to go.
The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.
9 metres are argon. Just 1 more metre.
A few gases make up the first bit of that last metre.
The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre - that's carbon dioxide. A bit over one foot.
97% of that is produced by Mother Nature. It’s natural.
Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 12 millimetres left. Just over a centimetre - about half an inch.
That’s the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity puts into the atmosphere.
And of those 12 millimetres Australia puts in .18 of a millimetre.
Less than the thickness of a hair. Out of a kilometre!
As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia 's contribution to what Julia Gillard calls Carbon Pollution.
Imagine Brisbane 's new Gateway Bridge , ready to be opened by Julia Gillard. It's been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of workers till its 1 kilometre length is surgically clean. Except that Julia Gillard says we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted - there's a human hair on the roadway. We'd laugh ourselves silly.
There are plenty of real pollution problems to worry about.
It's hard to imagine that Australia 's contribution to carbon dioxide in the world's atmosphere is one of the more pressing ones. And I can't believe that a new tax on everything is the only way to blow that pesky hair away."
Altho I believe the Earth has more to do with it's own global warming than any inhabitant of the planet , and the Sun also might have a warming effect of some sort ( feels warm , even burns my skin ) , I try to do my part to help .
I found this stuff called 'sea salt' , what a great idea , using more sea salt means less salt in the sea . Doesn't salt melt ice ? So it stands to reason that less salt in the sea means less of the polar ice will melt ! Just trying to do my part !
My wife has suggestions also . Just today while traveling on the interstate we came across one of those small mixed up gas/electric cars that people buy for their energy savings , only to find out it really doesn't quite work-out so well on the highway . In fact it turns out my BIG diesel pick-up gets better milage at speed . Pryus , or what ever ! The self absorbed driver had a vanity plate that read " MY PART ".
My wife's suggestion ? ...to do our part ?.... To pull along side and blast them with my air horns to scare them off the road . I almost ran them off the road laughing at her !
I found this stuff called 'sea salt' , what a great idea , using more sea salt means less salt in the sea . Doesn't salt melt ice ? So it stands to reason that less salt in the sea means less of the polar ice will melt ! Just trying to do my part !
My wife has suggestions also . Just today while traveling on the interstate we came across one of those small mixed up gas/electric cars that people buy for their energy savings , only to find out it really doesn't quite work-out so well on the highway . In fact it turns out my BIG diesel pick-up gets better milage at speed . Pryus , or what ever ! The self absorbed driver had a vanity plate that read " MY PART ".
My wife's suggestion ? ...to do our part ?.... To pull along side and blast them with my air horns to scare them off the road . I almost ran them off the road laughing at her !
I'm with ya, there! I was watching the recent coverage of the tsunami in Japan, which resulted from tectonic plate movement, and it occured to me that we are not only seeing increased earthquake activity, we also seem to be increasing volcanic activity on the planet.
Is it possible that the earth undergoes periods of "climate change" that is related to geological issues? The issue of periodic "climate change" is already proven, ice ages come and go, separated by periods of increased temperate zones on the earth. Perhaps we humans are as inconsequential as the smallest of ants when it comes to the "global warming" that is scaring so many of the environmentalists....pehaps if we were to suddenly stop using any form of fossil fuels it would not make any difference....perhaps there is NOTHING we can do, and anything we try to do is inadequate to make a smidgeon of difference considering the magnitude of the power that is within the earth. Perhaps the warmth that is inside the earth, which is often released as magma from volcanic vents, is migrating slowly toward the surface of the earth as part of a regular and recurring cyclic event, triggering the increased volcanic activity we see as well as stimulating greater movement of the tectonic plates. If that is the case, we're powerless to have any effect, whether with out all-electric cars (ever wonder how much ozone and other atmospheric pollutants are produced as electricity is generated? Perhaps it is greater than that produced by the operation of a properly tuned and maintained gasoline engine in a car?), diesel pickups, hybrid cars, whatever.
There is an old saying, I think it might be biblical, to the effect that "Man may come and man may go, but earth abides". In fact there is a science fiction book by the name of "Earth Abides" that is quite intriguing, apparently a global pandemic wipes out most of the population of earth and the book chronicles the manner in which the technology on which we all depend to such a great degree gradually falls into disrepair and stops functioning, as well as how we adapt. It's quite a good read, because even though it doesn't really relate to "climate change" specifically it does focus on mankind's ability to adapt to change in general.
The tactic with the horn of the pickup seems a little like bullying, though...not quite sure you should think it is so funny as so shameful :thumbsdown: .
Cheers from Doug!!
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
N.A.S.A. agrees with me,and most of you. But Juliar is still going to tax us.
NASA admits all previous warming trends caused by sun - by Terrence Aym - Helium
Or DUH! The sun effects temperature.
NASA admits all previous warming trends caused by sun - by Terrence Aym - Helium
Or DUH! The sun effects temperature.
Pete, I'm something of a fence sitter when it comes to this issue, but I'll tell you where I agree with you 100% :- It is arrogance in the extreme to think that we have an effect on our climate that comes within a millionth of the influence of the Sun...
We've gone from "Global Warming" to "climate change". I believe the real issue that we need to deal with is pollution, not the trendy ones listed above that keep hundreds of thousands of people in cushy jobs...:thumbsdown:
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