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Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
On October 10, 2007, The National Enquirer, an American supermarket tabloid newspaper, published an article claiming that Edwards had engaged in an extramarital affair with an unnamed female campaign worker.....

You reference the National Enquirer and expect to be taken seriously?

Really?

I'm not saying that Edwards was innocent, in fact it appears that the truth was the opposite, but, come on, the National Enquirer only needs Brittain's 3rd page cuties to be soft porn.

There were plenty of more reputable sources you could have quoted.....every now and then a rag rushes to press with an allegation that turns out to be correct in the end, but if you would look at the overall picture, that's just incredible good luck, most of their stories turn out to be just sensationalist lies.

Thanks for the laugh!

Cheers from Doug!!!!!
 

Pat

Supporter
You reference the National Enquirer and expect to be taken seriously?

Really?

I'm not saying that Edwards was innocent, in fact it appears that the truth was the opposite, but, come on, the National Enquirer only needs Brittain's 3rd page cuties to be soft porn.

There were plenty of more reputable sources you could have quoted.....every now and then a rag rushes to press with an allegation that turns out to be correct in the end, but if you would look at the overall picture, that's just incredible good luck, most of their stories turn out to be just sensationalist lies.

Thanks for the laugh!

Cheers from Doug!!!!!


No, that's not true Doug. At the time there were no other sources that would cover the story except a passing mention by Fox News. That was my point (re-read the representative quote from Bob Schieffer). The media was covering it up until the National Enquirer broke the story and they could no longer suppress it. Given Edwards admission, it was factual. Had they run it in a timely way, we may very well have a different president. The facts sustain the blatant media bias. And it is indeed a sad day when journalists turn a blind eye to that level of hypocrisy.
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
No, that's not true Doug. At the time there were no other sources that would cover the story except a passing mention by Fox News. That was my point (re-read the representative quote from Bob Schieffer). The media was covering it up until the National Enquirer broke the story and they could no longer suppress it. Given Edwards admission, it was factual.

And you think the major media outlets ran it b/c the National Enquirer did?

They laugh harder at the N.E. than I did at your last post.

You obviously do not understand the incredibly competitive nature of the national/international broadcast medias.....there is a fine line between running a story too quickly (before it is propperly validated) and running one too late, the reputable major news networks are constantly attempting to be the first to run a story, but "reputable" and "responsible" can be used interchangably here.

The very fact that Fox Op-Ed ran the story at the same time that National Enquirer did merely serves to reinforce my assertion that Fox does not adequately validate its stories, and particularly when they do not support FNN's political agenda. In this case BOTH of those outlets got lucky, nothing more. Believe me, the "reputable/responsible" news outlets were busy validating the story, that's why they postponed reporting it, considering the personal ramifications it might have had were it proven wrong (as I admitted it was not).

For me, I'll endure a few hours, even a few days, delay in getting a story out to the general public to make sure our news is accurate, and that's the purpose of validating the stories before they are reported.

One lucky "mistake" (which it was for FNN to report the story based on what the National Enquirer had to say) does not make them a responsible/reliable news outlet.

Having said that, though, I am reminded of the scene in MIB in which Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith went in search of a National Enquirer, based on the belief that they would find the truth there first......but, then, I am also reminded that the film was in fact a comedy and had no basis in reality. Sometimes the issues reported by National Enquirer and FNN remind me of MIB in terms of their effect and validity.

Again, VEEK.....thanks for the laugh! I needed that!

Cheers from Doug!
 
It may seem so, Al, but I worked in the broadcast journalism field and I know how things work. Everyone is competing with everyone else for that "scoop", the news story of the day that draws the greatest viewer ratings. However, responsible journalism requires that stories go through their own sort of "vetting" process, which requires independent verification as well as scrutiny regarding the source. If anything doesn't pass the smell test, it doesn't go on air.

Those networks you mentioned are just being more selective than Fox Op-Ed, and in addition it is not only news features in the political arena that don't make the "cut", so to speak....it just seems so to you b/c of your intense anti-BO orientation. I can assure you stories in the Sports field are often dropped for the same reasons as are stories in the political field.

This all goes on behind the scenes, reporters calling frantically to reliable sources, hoping for independent verification of an interesting/juicy story. After all, we are a society in which sensationalism draws attention, the networks all know it, so to me it just means the other networks you mentioned must have a little more sensitive noses than does Fox Op-Ed, but then Fox does seem to have a vested interest in anything which would cast the Bee-OH administration in a bad light, so they might not sniff around as much before they put it on the air.

In the end, though, it is all about veracity, and it is a well-recognized fact that Fox's veracity has been significantly damaged by this vendetta they have mounted. They have high viewership ratings for the same reason that WWW does, not that the content is more believable (you don't really think those WWW matches aren't fixed, do you :idea: ), just that their content seems to make it over the "excitement" threshold that our society, with it's ever-increasing desire for thrills, seems to crave.

From what I've seen, it's more entertanment (and who wouldn't be entertained by some of the antics on Fox Op-Ed?) than true journalism, and in the journalistic circles I frequent (which, probably to your surprise, are much more conservative than liberal) the difference is not only noticable but also lamented.

Cheers from Doug!

I agree with most of what you say, but i think ABC, CBS, NBC, and not quite as much CNN, tend to be very liberal leaning and don't air pieces that would put this administration in a bad light. For skipped pieces, just for instance, GWB was at DFW airport with Laura Bush on the 11th of this month greeting troops coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan. You didn't hear about that anywhere, nice gesture. Of course Jim will have something negative to say.
 

Keith

Moderator
Having said that, though, I am reminded of the scene in MIB in which Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith went in search of a National Enquirer, based on the belief that they would find the truth there first......but, then, I am also reminded that the film was in fact a comedy and had no basis in reality. Sometimes the issues reported by National Enquirer and FNN remind me of MIB in terms of their effect and validity.

Again, VEEK.....thanks for the laugh! I needed that!

Cheers from Doug!

Whaaat? Doug are you telling me that the story of the one armed Amazon pygmy giving birth to a two headed baboon is possibly NOT true? :shocked:
 

Pat

Supporter
Doug, you continue to reinforce my point and allow me further opportunities to provide you merriment. This isn’t about the National Enquirer. It’s about the mainstream media and their selective and biased coverage.
The facts:
National Enquirer runs the full story when others wouldn't. That's agreed.
They are simply a supermarket tabloid and yet they had photos and e-mails on Mr. Edwards illicit relationship that were irrefutable . (It was Mr. Clinton and Monica’s stained blue dress all over again. Had she not saved the dress, he never would have been impeached.)
So neither the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, nor even the LA Times, on whose patch the whole sordid business occurred, chose to initially report it but instead activily supressed it (as did the Journolist group about Jerimiah Right’s rantings and their potential impact on Mr. Obama’s campaign). On 25 July, Mickey Kaus at Slate published a 24 July e-mail from Tony Pierce, an editor at the Los Angeles Time, to the Times in-house bloggers, which referred to the Edwards allegations and said "...I am asking you all not to blog about this topic until further notified." Kaus portrayed the e-mail as a "gag" order. Again, this story was not just an under-reported story, it was suppressed. Their old-fashioned reticence seems quaint, given their open season on Ms. Palin and her family. But it's also depressing: one of the reasons America's newspapers are dying and mainstream media’s viewership is in the tank is their perceived pomposity (see Keith Obermann). Readers say they are too timid to rock the boat; right-wingers complain (with some justification) that they conspire to suppress damaging stories about Democrats. Birds of a feather: you obscure the fact that the Edwards story was true and goes to the character of someone aspiring to the highest office professing is undying love for his cancer stricken wife. It is also a fact that Fox, was the only TV network to report it. In ignoring the affair, the media repeats the mistakes of the 1990s, where they loftily decided against reporting Bill Clinton's many bedroom misdeeds, allowing internet sites to claim the Monica Lewinsky "scoop." (How many know he settled with Paula Jones for $850,000?). The facts also bear out that Mr. Edwards is truly a despicable human being so unfit for office that in August 2006 several staffers (Josh Brumberger, Kim Rubey, and David Ginsberg) had strong suspicions about the affair (which had according to testomonly begun early that year) and left the campaign over concerns about Rielle Hunter, Mr. Edwards liason. Rubey and Ginsberg later discussed their obligation to the party to come forward with what they knew after finding Andrew Young's paternity claim for Ms. Hunters child unconvincing. A federal grand jury is investigating whether any Edwards campaign funds were misspent on covering up the affair.
But as the apologists for Mr. Clinton continue to profess, sex and lies don’t really matter. Would it matter if it were George Bush or Mr. Obama???
Take for example CBS (re-read my quote from Bob Schieffer indicating CBS was not going to pursue the Edwards story). You indicate “ there is a fine line between running a story too quickly (before it is properly (sic) validated) and running one too late, the reputable major news networks are constantly attempting to be the first to run a story, but "reputable" and "responsible" can be used interchangeably(sic) here”.
On July 12, 2001, Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center cited the failure of CBS News to run a single story regarding the disappearance of former Congressional intern Chandra Levy was evidence of "media bias". According to Bill Press, Dan Rather of CBS chose to avoid covering the Levy story because he preferred what he called "decent, responsible journalism". CBS News eventually ran a single story about the Levy disappearance the following week. Had the Congressman been Republican would there have been the same reticence?
Did you feel the same way when the very same, reputable-and-responsible-to-wait CBS ran on September 8, 2004, (Dan Rather reported 60 Minutes) that a series of memos critical of President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service record had been discovered in the personal files of Lt. Bush's former commanding officer, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian? The authenticity of these documents was quickly called into question. This led to evidence that the memos were forgeries. The forgery accusations then spread over the following days into mainstream media outlets including The Washington Post, New York Times and the Chicago Sun-Times. Mr. Rather and CBS initially defended the story, insisting that the documents had been authenticated by experts. CBS was immediately contradicted by some of the experts it originally cited. CBS later reported that their source for the documents, former Texas Army National Guard officer Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, had misled the network about how he had obtained them. So it would appear that the “wait to authenticate” only would apply to Democrats but not Republicans.
The whole sorted mess was best summed up by CBS executive Leslie Moonves, "The bottom line is that much of the Sept. 8 broadcast was wrong, incomplete or unfair."
At least they admit it.

As repugnant as the National Enquirer may be, they have a successful track record of remarkable outing of political cads in a non-partisan manner. The Enquirer has been reliable in regards to scandal reporting, noting their reporting on Republican Larry Craig, Gary Hart/Donna Rice affair, the O. J. Simpson murder case, Jesse Jackson 's out-of-wedlock child, and Rush Limbaugh's prescription drug addiction. Several pundits stated that Edwards was "fair game" for reporting on the allegations, because he had been identified as a potential candidate for Vice President or Attorney General for Mr. Obama, and that Edwards himself had made his marital fidelity an issue in his campaign.
David Carr, news media communist for The New York Times wrote in 2008 that while The National Enquirer can be inaccurate, it’s revelations about the Edwards affair were a service to the public.

There are some stories, especially ones that occur in the bedroom, where mainstream media outlets sometimes can’t venture — or at least they can’t find it in themselves to lead the charge. But it would be hard to argue that the body politic is not enriched by the recent revelations that Mr. Edwards is not who we thought he was, even balanced against the many stories the Enquirer gets wrong. (Even in his confession, Mr. Edwards wrinkled his nose and suggested that the allegations had originated with "supermarket tabloids", as if the method of conveyance absolved him of the deeds described.)

Doug, you want to mock me, Fox news, and others that are more conservative, that’s certainly your prerogative but apparently you are willing to do so to obscure the truth.

What ever happened to the Bat Boy anyway?
 
Jim lets start of with you addressing any one of the multiple issues / facts that I brought up in the other thread that I have been going at with you in (since there is a def. thread merge). You have never answered anything that I asked or even addressed the facts that I posted.

Even in this thread you refuse to comment on why you and your like minded friends have NEVER SAID ANYTHING before your propagandist (like you like to insinuate about Beck) Stewart brought it to light and actually had to QUOTE FOX NEWS :thumbsup: . Where were you during the rime preceding his rant?

Listen you're obvious attempt to redirect the issue is not going to work. Start to answer the questions asked of you in either this or the other thread and than we can talk.

Now as a matter of point NO ONE HERE is ganging up on you or hunting for you (I am but not others) so stop with that. The fact that like minded people who have FACT on their side are actually taking the time out of their day to try to help educate you should make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. See Jim we don't want you to look foolish to others that just don't understand that you live your life according to what the TV puts out there. Again go back and start by answering any one of my questions where my conclusions have been BASED IN FACT and I will respond in kind. You keep playing the hurt little kid that just doesn't understand why no one likes him and you will start to come off as pathetic. AGAIN Address the facts that I posted in the other thread or address what I wrote about you and your cohorts being band wagon politicians and we can talk.
 
Veek I agree with you completely. We actually started to hit on this issue in the other thread. Sorry for the thread jack on my previous rant guys!
 
+1 Veek. You have nailed the problem in news reporting today. I don't want to say that they are closet liberals butactions speak louder than words in this case.
Garry
 

Keith

Moderator
Here is what Media Matters says about Rupert Murdoch's donation to the republican governors' fund:
Schultz: Fox "dup[ed] folks into thinking they're a real news organization" and got front-row WH briefing room seat | Media Matters for America

Here's what the Guardian UK says about it:
Rupert Murdoch donates $1m to Republicans | Media | The Guardian

Sounds to me like Media Matters has deliberately confused the issue between Rupert Murdoch and Fox News.

Republicans should hand it right back. They don't need his tainted cash...:furious:
 
Made a mistake guys, it sounds like the donation was from News Corp, not Fox News:
washingtonpost.com

Note the Washington Post is a Murdoch newspaper.

This is interesting and shows donations by a number of large corporations. The Democrats come out with more bucks than the republicans.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...akes-heat-for-news-corporations-gop-donation/

Read the last letter from Paul8616 and how MSNBC is seen:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008200031

No wonder we are so screwed up.

The more I listen to Media Matters, the more I am convinced they are running scared of Fox News !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
Whaaat? Doug are you telling me that the story of the one armed Amazon pygmy giving birth to a two headed baboon is possibly NOT true? :shocked:

No, Keith, that one IS true.

She's now running a radical right wing conservative political blog for Fox "News" Network.

The two headed baboon is being vetted for the Republican Party's next vice-presidential candidate......apparently it is twice as smart as the last one the Republicans had in that position.

Cheers from Doug!
 
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Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Well guys, it apparent that I have been having a war of words with an unarmed foe,
they continually say they have facts that will show how wrong, how stupid, and uninformed I am.

Just wait, we'll show you..........................

You say my facts are wrong, that I lie, that I do not know what I'm talking about.

I have continually asked you to prove it, show me were I'm wrong.....................you say nothing just call me names.

I ask you simple straight forward questions.......................... you say nothing.

We've been waiting and waiting and we are still waiting.

Are all consevative as lame as you, or are you guys the best there is?

You guys got no game. You can call people names, you can tell me to go away, but in the end you got nothing, a big fat nothing!

Damian in the end 10 to 1 odds do appear to be unfair.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

I posted this yesterday,

Domtoni, the 10 to 1 odds are not fair to you, you moron. I'm done with this crap have a nice life.
 

Pat

Supporter
No, Keith, that one IS true.

She's now running a radical right wing conservative political blog for Fox "News" Network.
The two headed baboon is being vetted for the Republican Party's next vice-presidential candidate......apparently it is twice as smart as the last one the Republicans had in that position.

Cheers from Doug!

I though Joe Biden had a job...
 
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