Is the right to bear arms outdated.

[Keith]

Don't ever ban guns guys. There is one person on here, that one day I may just be forced to shoot, if only to do this forum a favour!

Ha ha! Nah, do it with a spoon - it will hurt more

Anyway, a man goes into a crowded bar with a loaded assault rifle and 2 big clips.

"Who the fuck has been sleeping with my wife?" He shouts.

A small voice at the back calls back "You didn't bring enough ammo."

 

[Mark]

Hahahahaha

 

[David Morton]

Mark, the general consensus would be that you would be wasting a round.
Though -having said that- I would be glad to buy it for you.
In fact you would need a few. A whole magazine as there are a couple more I ignore, and just in case you miss one as well.

 

[Jim Craik]

It's more than obvious why Brits and other crazy shouldn't have guns! Good by!

 

[Jack]

Be nice now! I thought we all had agreed to disagree, politely.

 

[David Morton]

e on the end of good bye. Bye now........

 

[Chris]

So the basic concept is that an armed population will be able to defend its liberties. We hope that the threat of force or a bluff is enough to keep our government in line. This may have worked at one time, but it does not seem as effective 230 years later. The powers that be have called your bluff. It seems pointless to argue that you need weapons to defend against tyranny now. We are certainly armed, but most likely with the wrong weapons. Maybe the right to a better education should replace the right to bear arms.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." - T.J.

 

[Chris]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y]Alex Jones Piers Morgan Part 1. 1776 Will Commence Again' If Guns Taken Away - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf-i3Y5iRYo]Alex Jones Piers Morgan Part 2. 1776 Will Commence Again' If Guns Taken Away - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Keith]

Crazy or not, an ex CIA Field Agent said that we, as a nation, have the perfect defence strategy. Apparently, (he says) we deliberately act weak, lose and then arm the population with pitchforks and broomsticks, and then wait for the Yanks to come in and save us with all their 3 billion guns blazing!

Apparently, this has worked at least twice..

 

[Tom P]

Quote Chris
We have a militia. Its our armed forces. They are well trained, organized, and commanded by the great patriot Obama. What are you worried about? You should be melting your guns down right now to make a set of spinners for your Fiberfab.


Obama may be remembered as a lot of things, but Patriot won't be in the mix. He doesn't like the Constitution, National Anthem, Pledge of Allegiance, to mention a few, in fact, there's not whole a lot about this country he does like. I guess that explains "Change". "Dear Leader" comes to mind when you speak of him.

 

[Danimal W]

Quote Chris
We have a militia. Its our armed forces. They are well trained, organized, and commanded by the great patriot Obama. What are you worried about? You should be melting your guns down right now to make a set of spinners for your Fiberfab.


Obama may be remembered as a lot of things, but Patriot won't be in the mix. He doesn't like the Constitution, National Anthem, Pledge of Allegiance, to mention a few, in fact, there's not whole a lot about this country he does like. I guess that explains "Change". "Dear Leader" comes to mind when you speak of him.

Thank you!! Obama and his Chicago style of politics would rather wipe his rear with the Constitution than actually uphold and defend it.

 

[Danimal W]

Thank you!! Obama and his Chicago style of politics would rather wipe his rear with the Constitution than actually uphold and defend it.

Well loose lips Biden said that Obama may issue an executive order about gun ownership... This would violate the Constitution proving my above statement true.

 

[Larry L.]

Well loose lips Biden said that Obama may issue an executive order about gun ownership... This would violate the Constitution proving my above statement true.

Even HE has to know better than to even think about trying something like that. He could end up being the second Democrat in the last 20 years to be impeached.

 

[Jim Craik]

Released Thursday, a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found that 49 percent of Americans now believe that controlling gun ownership is a bigger priority than protecting the right to own firearms, while 42 percent said the opposite./QUOTE]

Gee a politician who actually represents the people. What a concept.

If the NRA and gun owners had done ANYTHING to control the millions of guns, if you do not make it so easy for nuts to get guns, this would not be happening.

Its your fault! Live with it!

 

[Danimal W]

Well sorry but polls can get any answer you want depending on who they ask.

And speaking of polls... They just flashed poll results on CNBC to the question what is worth more... Cockroaches or Congress.... 45% for cockroaches and 43% for congress....

You really think that 45% of respondents would put more worth on a disgusting bug?

 

[Jim Craik]

As Congress is mostly do nothing, fight everything and in the end, give in Republicans, yes I'll go with the bugs!

 

[Larry L.]

Gee a politician who actually represents the people. What a concept.

He has to "represent" the people in a CONSTITUTIONAL manner. He wasn't elected the emperor OR Caesar of the U.S. And as regards your "poll" - I'd like to see the questions it asked.

If the NRA and gun owners had done ANYTHING to control the millions of guns, if you do not make it so easy for nuts to get guns, this would not be happening.

Pettifogging again. It's not the duty of, nor is it the right of the NRA to do anything of the sort! Neither are they to blame whenever a criminal or loon gets his hands on a gun. That's like blaming the NTSB for car thefts and drunk driving deaths.


Man, Jim, you really need to 'defog' at bit...

 

[Tom P]

How many killers were there involved in the 12,000+ firearm deaths last year?

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.

Source: Howard Nemerov, "Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban," D.C. Examiner, April 8, 2009.

 

[Jim Craik]

Pete,

This data seems to show a different story


LOS ANGELES — Twelve days after the worst mass murder in Australian history, when 35 people were shot to death at Tasmania state’s Port Arthur tourist mecca in 1996, the government issued sweeping reforms of the country’s gun laws. There hasn’t been a mass shooting since, and suicides, deaths by firearms and robberies at gunpoint have plummeted.

Homicides involving firearms dropped by 59 percent in the decade following Australia’s gun-law reforms, Harvard University researchers reported last year in an analysis of the Australian statistics.

“In the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102 deaths,” Howard noted. “There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur laws.”

So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law’s effectiveness.