More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

marc

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Anyone who is a car fanatic should be banned from discussing global warming / change and its evils until they give up all their cars (including the ones you are building) and use no electricity unless they get it from solar or wind power.

Okay, fair enough?





LOL! just kidding resume bickering.
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
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...and no smoking, either....we've been over this before....:idea:

Cheers!

Doug
 

Pete McCluskey.

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From a mate of mine Viv Forbes.

Once again, the high priests of the UN/IPCC have forecast world starvation unless we mend our wicked ways. According to them, unless we curb our use of oil, gas, coal and meat, the carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere will soar, the globe will heat up, and food production will plummet.
This is just a rerun of their previous failed forecasts based on academic theories and computer models.
They should have asked practical nurserymen, farmers and meteorologists.
Nurserymen would tell them that if you pump carbon dioxide into a greenhouse the plants grow faster, bigger, more drought-tolerant and more heat-tolerant. Therefore more carbon dioxide will produce more food.
Farmers would tell them that plants grow faster in the warmth of spring and summer and slower in winter. Any warming by carbon dioxide would tend to warm the higher latitudes so the snow line will shift, thus creating more arable land. It would also tend to produce warmer nights, thus reducing frost damage to crops and opening more land to frost-sensitive crops.
Meteorologists would tell them that if global temperatures increase, evaporation from the vast oceans must also increase. What goes up with more evaporation, must come down as more rain or snow. While some areas may become drier, a warmer world is on average a wetter world, producing more food.
There is also no evidence that extra carbon dioxide and warmth will make weather more erratic – in fact the reverse should occur as the global temperature gradient which drives winds and storms will be reduced with more warming at the poles.
Finally, there is no evidence that their climate scares will occur “much earlier than expected”. With global temperatures flat for 17 years, how can warming occur faster than in their previous failed forecasts?
There is no rational basis for claims that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will add to world starvation – history and science tell us that it would produce a productive green and bountiful world. It is global cooling we have to fear.
On the other hand, there is no doubt that foolish climate POLICIES will produce less food. Policies on ethanol, biomass, carbon-credit forestry and the Kyoto bans on regrowth control, either directly consume food, or reduce the land available for food production.
Encouraging and protecting trees at the expense of grasslands is threatening the production of low-cost food from marginal grazing lands and water restrictions are driving irrigators out of business.
And to top it off, their taxes and regulatory wars on carbon energy will push marginal farmers and fishermen out of production. The world may indeed see hungry years, but carbon dioxide will not be the cause.
Already they advocate “Meat-free Mondays”. Their anti-food anti-carbon policies will soon result in “Food-free Fridays
 
We perhaps need not worry about this as much as we do. We would do more to help the environment if we culled the population a little, so, hunger seems a good way to go about it. Therefore, food shortage could do us a big favour. 'They' could sneak it in without anyone thinking it was deliberate! ;)
 

Pete McCluskey.

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The missing jet has shown how much we pollute the oceans, maybe we should concentrate on stopping that? Hang on says the U.N. To hard to redistribute the wealth that way....
Back to taxing carbon.
 

Pete McCluskey.

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Most of us pay some attention to the weather forecast. If it says it will rain in your area tomorrow, it probably will. But if it says the same for a month, let alone a year, later, it is much less likely to be right. There are too many imponderables.

The theory of global warming is a gigantic weather forecast for a century or more. However interesting the scientific inquiries involved, therefore, it can have almost no value as a prediction. Yet it is as a prediction that global warming (or, as we are now ordered to call it in the face of a stubbornly parky 21st century, "global weirding") has captured the political and bureaucratic elites.

All the action plans, taxes, green levies, protocols and carbon-emitting flights to massive summit meetings, after all, are not because of what its supporters call "The Science". Proper science studies what is - which is, in principle, knowable - and is consequently very cautious about the future - which isn't.

No, they are the result of a belief that something big and bad is going to hit us one of these days.

Read more:
• Editorial: Climate report a wake-up call for global action • Academics warn human survival on the line • UN scientist: Look on bright side of climate change

Some of the utterances of the warmists are preposterously specific. In March 2009, the Prince of Wales declared that the world had "only 100 months to avert irretrievable climate and ecosystem collapse". How could he possibly calculate such a thing?

Similarly, in his 2006 report on the economic consequences of climate change, Sir Nicholas Stern wrote that, "If we don't act, the overall costs and risks of climate change will be equivalent to losing at least five per cent of global GDP each year, now and forever." To the extent that this sentence means anything, it is clearly wrong (how are we losing five per cent GDP "now", before most of the bad things have happened? How can he put a percentage on "forever"?). It is charlatanry.
Like most of those on both sides of the debate, Rupert Darwall is not a scientist. He is a wonderfully lucid historian of intellectual and political movements, which is just the job to explain what has been inflicted on us over the past 30 years or so in the name of saving the planet.

The origins of warmism lie in a cocktail of ideas which includes anti-industrial nature worship, post-colonial guilt, a post-Enlightenment belief in scientists as a new priesthood of the truth, a hatred of population growth, a revulsion against the widespread increase in wealth and a belief in world government. It involves a fondness for predicting that energy supplies won't last much longer (as early as 1909, the US National Conservation Commission reported to Congress that America's natural gas would be gone in 25 years and its oil by the middle of the century), protest movements which involve dressing up and disappearing into woods (the Kindred of the Kibbo Kift, the Mosleyite Blackshirts who believed in reafforestation) and a dislike of the human race (The Club of Rome's work Mankind at the Turning-Point said: "The world has cancer and the cancer is man.").

These beliefs began to take organised, international, political form in the 1970s. One of the greatest problems, however, was that the ecologists' attacks on economic growth were unwelcome to the nations they most idolised - the poor ones. The eternal Green paradox is that the concept of the simple, natural life appeals only to countries with tons of money. By a brilliant stroke, the founding fathers developed the concept of ``sustainable development''. This meant that poor countries would not have to restrain their own growth, but could force restraint upon the rich ones. This formula was propagated at the first global environmental conference in Stockholm in 1972.

The G7 Summit in Toronto in 1988 endorsed the theory of global warming. In the same year, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was set up. The capture of the world's elites was under way. Its high point was the Kyoto Summit in 1998, which enabled the entire world to yell at the United States for not signing up, while also exempting developing nations, such as China and India, from its rigours.

The final push, brilliantly described here by Darwall, was the Copenhagen Summit of 2009. Before it, a desperate Gordon Brown warned of "50 days to avoid catastrophe", but the "catastrophe" came all the same. The warmists' idea was that the global fight against carbon emissions would work only if the whole world signed up to it. Despite being ordered to by President Obama, who had just collected his Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, the developing countries refused. The Left-wing dream that what used to be called the Third World would finally be emancipated from Western power had come true. The developing countries were perfectly happy for the West to have "the green crap", but not to have it themselves. The Western goody-goodies were hoist by their own petard.

Since then, the international war against carbon totters on, because Western governments see their green policies, like zombie banks, as too big to fail. The EU continues to inflict expensive pain upon itself. Last week, the latest IPCC report made the usual warnings about climate change, but behind its rhetoric was a huge concession. The answer to the problems of climate change lay in adaptation, not in mitigation, it admitted. So the game is up.

Scientists, Rupert Darwall complains, have been too ready to embrace the "subjectivity" of the future, and too often have a "cultural aversion to learning from the past". If they read this tremendous book they will see those lessons set out with painful clarity.

- Daily Telegraph UK

By Charles Moore
 

Jim Craik

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Pete,

You do know there are just as many articles by outraged folks on the other side that are just as sure as you and Al Gore.......

You and Al Gore only pass along articles that support your side, totaly discounting any data that does not support your already made up mind.

Somewhere between Pete and Al Gore's absolute belief, is the truth...
 
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Jim Craik

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Pete, keep in mind that it is not possible for you and Al Gore to both be right...

But it is likely that you are both wrong.
 
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Larry L.

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Pete, keep in mind that it is not possible for you and Al Gore to both be right...

But it is likely that you are both wrong.

I'd go with Pete looooooooong before believing anything Gore says.

Isn't Gore the one who said he invented the internet???


Here's the latest. And BTW, Jim, et al, before you start the anti-FOX, "kill the messenger" diatribe, McKelway & FOX didn't write this report - they only reported on it:

Deepening divide over climate change sparks fierce debate | Fox News


^^^"The debate is settled. Climate change is a fact," Obama said in his 2014 State of the Union Address."

Oh, really? Just because HE says so? Isn't he the one who also told us we could keep our doctor...'keep out plan - PERIOD???...not to mention something to do with a "red line in the sand" and a host of other whoppers???


"...Hillary Clinton said to vigorous applause, "Climate change is a national security problem, not just an environmental problem."

Isn't SHE also the one who said she "dodged sniper fire", and "...what difference NOW does it make"...Benghazi was a "spontaneous demonstration caused by an Anti-Islamic video"...not to mention her "Whitewater " & "Travelgate" scandals, et al?


"Secretary of State John Kerry said of global warming, "All of the predictions of the scientists are not just being met, they're being exceeded."

Isn't he the guy who said "I voted VOTE the $87 billion before I voted against it"...not to mention accusing our troops of committing a host of atrocities in 'Nam?


'Just askin'...
 
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Pete McCluskey.

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I'd go with Pete looooooooong before believing anything Gore says.




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Well thanks Larry although I don't think believing me before Gore is much of a compliment.....
And Jim is correct of course when he says I only post stuff that supports my argument. Why the fuck would I post anything that supports his argument?
That would be silly.:laugh:
 

Jim Craik

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Well thanks Larry although I don't think believing me before Gore is much of a compliment.....
And Jim is correct of course when he says I only post stuff that supports my argument. Why the fuck would I post anything that supports his argument?
That would be silly.:laugh:

So Pete, now you admit that you see this as an "argument", where you only take one side.

Like I said, you have no interest in the truth, no interest in finding facts, you just want to win the "argument".

Pete, you say:

"Why the fuck would I post anything that supports his argument?"

My argument is that I do not know..........

Since Pete admits that he does not care about the truth, he only want to win the "argument"....

I think any post by Pete should be taken for what he says they are.....

One sided, cherry picked data only designed to win an "argument".
 
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So Pete, now you admit that you see this as an "argument", where you only take one side.

Like I said, you have no interest in the truth, no interest in finding facts, you just want to win the "argument".

Pete, you say:

"Why the fuck would I post anything that supports his argument?"

My argument is that I do not know..........

Since Pete admits that he does not care about the truth, he only want to win the "argument"....

I think any post by Pete should be taken for what he says they are.....

One sided, cherry picked data only designed to win an "argument".

And there are numerous posts where you support both sides...............that's one of the more silly things you've said. A person normally believes one side of a subject, the only people that go both ways are politicians.
 
Just to help you guys lighten up (and this not a joke) in the UK parliament yesterday a right honourable member, having heard the fact that the UK eats more baked beans than any other European country, tabled a question to the house, asking if therefore UK citizens were contributing to global warming.

The only smell that I can detect is the likelihood of a tax on certain food products.

Surely the answer is simple ….. levy a fee on all countries with volcano's.

So, Iceland please wire $10,000,0000 to my bank account in the Cayman's.
 
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