My RCR "DPE-962X" 8500 RPM -1500HP Engine Build *lots of pics*

[Roark_John]

Perry, no such luck on finding that add-on OBD II port.

Given the number of inputs and the amount of data-transfer that OBD II collects, it would be something along the lines of a standalone piggy-back unit that interfaces with all the sensors and the ECU.

 

[Perry]

John, Thanks for checking bud.
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At the bottom are a bunch of pics I just took of the Beck Intake that will be going on this motor. It is port matched perfectly to the All Pro Heads. The Top of the Intake will be Powder coated Red then milled with length wise fins and 962X Logo that will also be on the car.


Below is one of the IKO roller Cam bearings that will help the cam with over 750 lift spin the Jesel valve trane effortlessly past 8500 rpm.

This is the SX fuel pump and filter that will be feeding this thirsty motor.

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[Ken Hahn]

That's a nice looking sheetmetal intake. Can't wait to see this motor start to come together.

 

[Brian Hamilton]

Dude, you are throwing some SERIOUS bucks into this build!! Keep it up man and congratulations on your success. This is kinda like a gearhead's wet dream. LOL

 

[Ricardo Montalvo]

Hey Perry, I miss your build threads on CF, they were some of my favorites. Good to see you here, and still building sick setups. I can't wait to see what you do with this.

 

[Perry]

That's a nice looking sheetmetal intake. Can't wait to see this motor start to come together.

Thanks Ken,
Can't wait to get going on it.
I have some pretty cool mods drawn up for this car and it will definitely be a one of a kind. Enjoy the thread.

Dude, you are throwing some SERIOUS bucks into this build!! Keep it up man and congratulations on your success. This is kinda like a gearhead's wet dream. LOL

Thanks Brian,

" a gearhead's wet dream " LOL
That's a good one !!

Hey Perry, I miss your build threads on CF, they were some of my favorites. Good to see you here, and still building sick setups. I can't wait to see what you do with this.

RM, thanks bro,

Nice to see you here too. You feel like family, cheers !! :chug:
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Guys and Art girl

For a dash, I will be fabricating an aesthetically pleasing unit consisting of carbon fiber, padded leather and aluminum to house all the gauges and switches.

There will be extensive body modifications as well.
I will make patterns/templates/blueprints/molds for all the fiberglass and carbon fiber parts I design to duplicate them later for other builds.
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BTW

Dave,

I spoke with Fran a couple days ago and It will be registered as a duplicate car and will be exempt. Looks like I will be able to go with a Motec after all. That's awesome !! Thank's for the heads up that made me do re search before I commited to an engine management sys.

 

[Dave]

Dave,

I spoke with Fran a couple days ago and It will be registered as a duplicate car and will be exempt. Looks like I will be able to go with a Motec after all. That's awesome !! Thank's for the heads up that made me do re search before I commited to an engine management sys.

No problem. A build like this shouldn't have compromises with silly stuff like smog rules etc. There are other great ECU's but Motech pretty much sets the benchmark. It will do most, if not all of the things you want it to do instead of having multiple piggybacks.

Put the Racelogic on e-bay... or I can take it off your hands

 

[Perry]

Update:

Some more components for the build.

The first pic is an Oliver Steel connecting rod.
I chose lightweight forged steel rods for their durability and HP handling capabilities vs the lighter Titanium units.

This Melling high Volume Oil Pump will keep the engine bearings generously lubed pumping Royal Purple Synthetic racing oil throughout engine.

This is the custom forced induction billet cam that will go in the motor.
Note the size of those cam lobes. Nothing those big PSI valve springs can't handle.

These are the Total Seal rings I had to special order that will keep the extreme boost in the combustion chamber where it belongs.

These are the racing bearings that will take the abuse and heat that will be generated by the loads this motor will be exposed to.

These are the HOT Cadillac Escalade Coils that will ignite the mixture.

I'm using a NDT 200 for an on board DVR recorder that will capture street and race track footage.

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[Dusty]

That intake makes the FAST 102 on my LS6 look cheap, lol.

You're definitely going all out. I only plan on buying Turbos, custom headers and possibly freshening up the motor down the road if the con rods or valves have gone outside their tolerances. I only plan on running slightly higher boost up to maybe 700 ponies. A 1:3 thrust to weight ratio is good enough for me. But then open headers on that motor will prob do 700 with normal boost. Like you said the cats and muffs on the SL600 are stifling.

 

[Tony]

Awesome build! Definitely going with some good parts on there and glad to see the Diamond Pistons. Those guys are local here.

What type of intercooler do you plan on using?
Air-to-air (A2A) or Air-to-water (A2W).

I've given up on using an A2A in my SL-C due to packaging constraints and flow requirements. Starting to look into A2W (which can be much smaller) and building the ic core into the plenum of my intake but we'll see how that goes.

I will wait and see what kind of room I have to work with before I make my decision on an inter-cooler. I really want to stay (A2A) though. I have some ideas. I'm really crucial about heat extraction. I know I have some work cut out for me with our limited space. I will be doing some body mods as well to aid in cooling.


I want to use A2A intercooler. That will be determined later though.
I'm using an OBD2 system in my car so it can be street legal.
I will have electric cutouts that route exhaust through the converters. Then when I want to do some spirited driving, flip a switch and the exhaust bypasses the converters and goes straight out the turbos on the side of the car. :thumbsup:

Have you guys seen Jeff Schwartz's Ultima GTR & Can-AM builds with TT and A2A squeezed under the rear cover? He managed to get them in and still make over 1,000HP on more than one build. I can try to dig up pics if you like. When I can save enough to start my SL-C I plan to start N/A but may eventually go TT as I do love turbo's. My TT Camaro is a blast to drive and there is nothing like the sound of those turbo's at full boost to put an instant grin on your face.

 

[Tom]

Perry,

you may want to rethink your oil pump - I understand that gerotor pumps cavitate above 7000 rpm, and since this pump is geared directly to the crank, you may have oil pressure issues when winding it out. I also think windage will be an issue at the upper rpm range.

I'd suggest looking into a proper drysump set-up with an external pump and 4 stages of scavenging, especially since you are going all out on this project. Dailey engineering make some beautiful stuff for these motors, as does ARE.

 

[Perry]

Perry I'd suggest looking into a proper drysump set-up with an external pump and 4 stages of scavenging, especially since you are going all out on this project. Dailey engineering make some beautiful stuff for these motors, as does ARE.

Thanks for the heads up Tom.
I was actually looking at a ZR1 oiling system for this motor as well because of it's compact design and 12 quart capacity.
It also has a built in oil cooler and 30% more scavenging than the Z06 pumps.

Belt style pumps have always scared me because of the consequences of belt failure, especially at high RPM's but I thought I would use an oil accumulator for some added insurance.

That's why I considered the Dailey Engineering ones a while back but they only had oil pans for right hand drive LS cars. I thought it would have be a nice fit for the billet block as well . I just saw they now have a left side available. The only thing I have to do is use an LS2 timing cover instead of an LS7 to make it fit.
Thanks for pointing me back there. :thumbsup:

I like this one here.

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Awesome build! Definitely going with some good parts on there and glad to see the Diamond Pistons. Those guys are local here.

Thanks Tony,

Be using Diamond for years.
They take the abuse of forced induction really well.

That intake makes the FAST 102 on my LS6 look cheap, lol.

You're definitely going all out. I only plan on buying Turbos, custom headers and possibly freshening up the motor down the road if the con rods or valves have gone outside their tolerances. I only plan on running slightly higher boost up to maybe 700 ponies. A 1:3 thrust to weight ratio is good enough for me. But then open headers on that motor will prob do 700 with normal boost. Like you said the cats and muffs on the SL600 are stifling.

Dusty
The Benz V12's are great motors. I can't wait to see your car when it's done.
It will definitely be a show stopper with that V12 Biturbo. You should be done way before me. I hope you keep us updated with pics of your build as well.
I can't wait to see your 962's progress at Fran's shop in a couple weeks or so.

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Guy's,
I'm having second thoughts. :idea:
I wonder if I should pull the motor out of my stock SL65 AMG's V12 that has 780 HP and 900 ft lbs. of torque @ 2000 rpm w/o converters and put it in my 962. That would actually save me money. :laugh:

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[Seymour Snerd]

Belt style pumps have always scared me because of the consequences of belt failure, especially at high RPM's ....

I had the same thought until I remembered that essentially every Japanese car and a whole bunch of Ferraris drive their camshafts the same way. Do we need to think about belt drive oil pumps any differently?

 

[AdrianBurton]

If you pull that engine you can get it over 1000hp with little effort and be able to take it in for service just about anywhere.

Besides NOTHTING SOUNDS LIKE A 12!!!!
YouTube - Pagani Zonda F Roadster sound - 5 minutes of full throttle!!

 

[Tony]

Found some of Jeff's pics. Looks like he is actually selling his car. Anyway, here is the automotive porn. I have ridden in this car and it was awesome when it was a N/A LS6. Can't imagine what it is like as a TT LS2 now... But as you can see he fit an A2A in there with a cooling fan. The car gets driven all over and won the 0-200-0 Silverstate Challenge last year with this set-up.

 

[Perry]

I had the same thought until I remembered that essentially every Japanese car and a whole bunch of Ferraris drive their camshafts the same way. Do we need to think about belt drive oil pumps any differently?

Alan,

A lot of overhead cam cars use a belt drive system as you mentioned. It works great.
If you look at their service manuals though, the belts are suppose to be replaced frequently because if they fail, the valves can kiss the pistons and cause major damage, especially at high RPM's.
I worked at a car dealership for 12 years and changed many timing belts for overhead cam cars at their service intervals. The belts I removed looked fine. No cracks or much visible wear at all.
Then I would get a car in for service with over 130k miles to get timing belt changed. That is over double the service life of the belt and it still looked fine.

My point is, the manufacturers know the damage a timing/cam belt failure can cause in an engine so they suggest you change it out frequently, especially if you are under their warranty and they have to pay out.
That is why I mentioned the oil accumulator as added insurance. Then if the oil pump belt ever fails and I lost pump pressure, I could have it trigger a red warning light on the dash while the oil accumulator maintains oil pressure until I react to the light, bring the RPM's down and shut down the motor. I will just keep an eye on the tension and change the belt out frequently.

If you pull that engine you can get it over 1000hp with little effort and be able to take it in for service just about anywhere.

Besides NOTHTING SOUNDS LIKE A 12!!!!
YouTube - Pagani Zonda F Roadster sound - 5 minutes of full throttle!!

Hey Adrian,


I was just joking bro, that is my quiet "date night" car. Got to leave one of my cars stock. I would not let anyone service any of my cars anyway. I'm way too damn picky.
My mother used to tell me 20 years ago when I lived at home, " you are so picky with everything, you will never find a girl that can please you and get married " She was right, I'm still single :laugh:
You are absolutely right though, the V12 TT can be tweaked with little effort. They are way detuned and whisper quiet with full factory exhaust that robs them of about 120hp.


That Zonda sounds cool as hell !! Especially echoing in that building. It sounds like a high pitch screaming Cheetah.
Check out the vid below of some FXX's.

YouTube - Ferrari FXX Evoluzione Sound!!


There is no way those people in that vid will be able to stand that close to my 962 when it's revving that high without earplugs. This motor with the BIG solid roller cam revving won't be high pitched like those baaad boys. Your tweeters get a good workout from the Zonda Vids. Get your mid ranges and subwoofers ready for revving with this motor :veryangry:.

I will tell you this, for a fraction of the price of those cars, mine will look cooler, beat them on their own track and have a higher top speed.
I know I have some BIG shoes to fill but I have been waiting for a long time for a challenge and project like this.

When I'm finished with this thing, I'm going to contact Jay Leno, send him a detailed build package on the car and see if he want's to take it for a test drive. I know he has a lot of seat time in exotic cars for a good review on it. Then ,if he want's one to add to his collection, I have one more identical Dart billet block I can build him a clone.

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Found some of Jeff's pics. Looks like he is actually selling his car. Anyway, here is the automotive porn. I have ridden in this car and it was awesome when it was a N/A LS6. Can't imagine what it is like as a TT LS2 now... But as you can see he fit an A2A in there with a cooling fan. The car gets driven all over and won the 0-200-0 Silverstate Challenge last year with this set-up.

Tony,

Jeff has one BAD A$$ car. I have watched a lot of his vids on Youtube. That is where I want to mount my inter-cooler as there will be a scoop on top of the car forcing air through it. I have some different plans for turbo location though. I am really keen on keeping a cool running motor and a well ventilated engine compartment on this car. Insulation ,component placement and heat extraction are critical. HP generates heat exponentially, that is a fact.
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Guy's,

This is what I want to build below. The only difference is, I would have 800HP more, have A/C and while everybody is loading their race car in their trailer that I just smoked ,I just jump in my 962X kick the A/C on and drive home !! :thumbsup:

 

[AdrianBurton]

You have a car that is STILL stock?!?!?!?!?!?

How is that possible?????

I definitely understand not allowing anyone work on your cars, I am the same way

 

[Perry]

You have a car that is STILL stock?!?!?!?!?!?

How is that possible?????

I definitely understand not allowing anyone work on your cars, I am the same way

Adrian,
I had to look at your profile as I thought you really knew me. I can't leave anything stock. I have a sickness when it comes to speed.

Hell, I have to throw superchargers on my remote control cars . LOL

Here is the first drive in my Vette through mufflers/no cats after putting my new motor testing my cam. I didn't flog it, I wanted to break it in a few hundred miles first.
YouTube - DPE Corvettes.com supercharged Corvette testing permanent in car cam

I'm kind of doing the same as far as having the motor ready for Fran's RCR 962. The sound of this Dart motor will be incredible.
I want to be on the road ASAP and is why I'm getting everything together and ready over the Winter months.

This is my dining room 4 years ago after I ordered my Corvette. Couldn't wait to yank the stock motor and put the Supercharged 402 I built in it.

 

[Cliff Beer]

Really cool engine stuff there Perry. Looks like you have a boat load of fun work ahead of you before you're on the road - looking forward to seeing pics of progress on the car!

 

[Perry]

Really cool engine stuff there Perry. Looks like you have a boat load of fun work ahead of you before you're on the road - looking forward to seeing pics of progress on the car!

Thanks Cliff

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Guy's

Here's a crankcase evacuation system I made that will go in the 962X to keep vacuum in the crankcase when under load. It uses a Bosch BMW Emissions pump, a modified catch can and an air/oil separator. It was a bitch to make it compact !!! It has an adjustable switch to activate it at any boost level you desire. It pulls about 6 Hg of vacuum when activated.

If the 6 Hg of vacuum is insufficient to keep up with blow-by gases, it acts as a breather.

That's one of the reasons I use Total Seal rings because you can run the large gaps required for High HP boosted motors and keep power robbing blow-by minimal. You also don't have to run those huge catch cans or big breathers stinking up the neighborhood and the inside of the car with high HP cars.

I can use a belt driven mechanical pump but you have to rebuild those every year and worry about another belt too. PIA