YES or NO?

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Scott,
Yes - I firmly believe it will happen. Maybe not this year but if the Jocks are doublecrossed by Cameron (and it certainly looks as though that is in motion already ) it may just happen in the next two years let alone 16 years as Salmond predicted yesterday mornning. Mark my words.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Doug,
as a Brit I am really pleased that all those countries you mentioned are now independant.
Imagine us "English" paying your health care and Education for the whole of the U.S.A.? (as it seems we do for the Wesh and Scottish now !
 
David & Doug,

It's my belief that Scotland is too important a strategic asset (HMNB Clyde) for the powers that be to allow it to happen.

I'm not saying "they" would fiddle with the vote, but......

:shifty:
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Scott,
if the vote had gone to yes then I think Scotland would have depended on RN ships to fill the base at Faslane and Rosyth. I also think that Westminster had plans for medium depth ports such as Barrow and a dredged Devonport to allow the HMNB a new home.
After the next referendum I think RN ships would be too expensive and Scotland might rely on a couple of decomissioned Sverdlovs, a Moscow class helicopter carrier and a pair of Krivaks . As for munitions there are no factories set up in Scotland to service such ships of the Scottish Navy.
In truth the Yes vote want to dispose of any weapons at all and having been on crews that were responsible for them (WMD) in Scotland I think now I agree. Scotland is not the right place. Let the Westminster government sanction them (sand melting sunshine) as and when they are needed to light up the middle east.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
If you look up any of those ex USSR Navy ships they have been lying rusting in the Black sea ports for 20 years at least so they would be quite cheap.
 
I believe that Cameron will renegue on the knee-jerk promises that he has made. I feel that it was all the scaremongering in the last couple of weeks when it looked like it was going to be a close run thing that swayed some of the fence sitting voters. Cameron will be thinking that that has shut them up for the next few years, Business as usual.
 

Malcolm

Supporter
Cameron - lets get on with this but add in the west lothian question and before the next general election as it suits his party
Clegg - saying nothing which suits his party
Milliband - lets do a complete rethink on constitutional matters but after the next general election as it it suits his party

As Scotland sees it they should be pleased that there is will to get on with it except from westminster focused labour as I read the news.

As said above politics carries on as normal.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
From the Daily Mail today:
Salmond warns Scotland could declare independence WITHOUT a referendum after accusing Westminster of 'tricking' voters
Salmond accuses Cameron, Clegg and Miliband of 'reneging' on election vow
The three party leaders made a pledge to transfer fresh powers to Holyrood
But the SNP leader said Westminster was riven by party political differences
PM wants 'English votes for English laws' alongside new Scottish powers
But Labour has rejected the proposal over claims would 'divide' Parliament
By TOM MCTAGUE, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 13:45, 21 September 2014 | UPDATED: 21:45, 21 September 2014

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Defeated SNP leader Alex Salmond this morning accused Westminster of ‘tricking’ Scottish voters into rejecting separation - and suggested the country could declare independence without a referendum.
He said the No campaign’s last minute promise of more powers for Holyrood had swayed voters – and accused David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband of reneging on their word.
But the outgoing First Minister, who dramatically announced he was stepping down from the job on Friday, claimed holding a referendum was 'only one of a number of routes' to independence.
He said despite last week’s referendum defeat the ‘writing is on the wall’ for the Union. Mr Salmond said: ‘I think the destination is pretty certain, we are only now debating the timescale and the method.’
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Alex Salmond said the two million voters who rejected independence would be furious if Westminster's devolution 'vow' was broken
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Alex Salmond said the two million voters who rejected independence would be furious if Westminster's devolution 'vow' was broken
DAVID CAMERON'S 'CURRY PLOT' WITH GEORGE OSBORNE AS REFERENDUM RESULTS ROLLED IN
David Cameron finalised his surprise demand for English votes for English laws over a late-night Downing Street curry with George Osborne, it has been revealed.
The Prime Minister and Chancellor tucked into the takeaway with close aides as they prepared to ‘explode a bomb on Labour territory’, a source present revealed.
The ‘curry summit’ took place in Mr Osborne’s dining room in Number 11, Downing Street, as the results from the Scottish referendum came in on Thursday.
Mr Cameron’s demand for English only votes in the House of Commons threatens to deny Ed Miliband a chance for an overall majority after the next election.
The Labour Party currently has 41 MPs representing constituencies north of the border which would be banned from voting on any legislation only affecting England – including education and health policy.
Interviewed yesterday on Sky News, Mr Salmond said: ‘There are a whole range of ways Scotland can improve its position in pursuit of Scottish independence.’
He added: ‘I think referendums are great, they have been my policy and even I have been surprised by an 85 per cent poll and the degree of public engagement, but of course for many years there was a “gradualist” attitude to independence.
‘That is to say you establish a parliament, you establish successfully more powers until you have a situation where you’re independent in all but name and then presumably you declare yourself to be independent. Many countries have proceeded through that route.
‘There is a parliamentary route where people can make their voice heard as well - so a referendum is only one of a number of routes.
‘I think it’s the best route incidentally, that’s always been my opinion but my opinion is only one of many.’
Mr Salmond's remarks came amid mounting nationalist fury over the perception that Westminster was wobbling over honouring its promise to devolve more powers to Scotland.
The three main Westminster party leaders made a ‘vow’ to Scottish voters that new powers over tax, welfare and spending would be transferred to Edinburgh.
Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown said there would be a vote in the Commons on the proposals by March next year.
But the Prime Minister shocked Westminster on Friday morning – just hours after the result was announced – by revealing that any new devolution of powers to Scotland would have to go hand in hand with ‘English votes for English laws’.
Mr Cameron’s demand sparked an angry backlash from Labour MPs – with Ed Miliband accusing the Prime Minister of playing politics with Westminster’s pledge to transfer powers to Scotland.
The Prime Minister has insisted that the timetable for further devolution would be met.

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A Downing Street spokesman this morning said: ‘The three pro-union parties have made commitments on further powers for the Scottish Parliament and we have set out a clear timetable to do this. This Government has delivered on devolution and we will do so again in the next Parliament.’
But Mr Salmond said the Tories and Labour should have thought about their differences ‘before they made a solemn vow and pledge to the Scottish people’ and accused them of breaking their pledge.
He said: ‘I don't see how they can be kept between David Cameron who says they must go in tandem with changes in England, and Ed Miliband who says they can't go in tandem with changes in England. These seem to be two irreconcilable positions from political interest at Westminster.
‘It's the people who voted No because they believed these commitments from the Westminster leadership, these are the people who are feeling most angry, most hurt, most disappointed in Scotland today.
‘The wrath of Khan will be as of nothing to the wrath of a No voter who has been gulled by the Westminster leadership.’
He said the ‘vow’ was ‘really important’ in convincing voters to reject independence.
Ed Miliband backs new devolved powers for ALL UK nations

Labour leader Ed Miliband accused David Cameron of coming up with 'English votes for English laws' on the back of a 'fag packet' in an attempt to play politics with the issue of Scottish devolution
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Labour leader Ed Miliband accused David Cameron of coming up with 'English votes for English laws' on the back of a 'fag packet' in an attempt to play politics with the issue of Scottish devolution
In the hours after the Scottish referendum result was announced on Friday Mr Cameron pledged to devolve more powers to Edinburgh - but said new rules introducing 'English votes for English laws' had to be established 'in tandem'
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In the hours after the Scottish referendum result was announced on Friday Mr Cameron pledged to devolve more powers to Edinburgh - but said new rules introducing 'English votes for English laws' had to be established 'in tandem'
David Cameron speech after Scotland votes No

CAMERON BIDS TO WIN OVER TORY REBELS THREATENING TO BLOCK SCOTTISH DEVOLUTION
David Cameron will hold a summit with Tory backbenchers over Scottish devolution at his country retreat at Chequers tomorrow.
The Prime Minister has invited more than 20 of his MPs to the 16th century Buckinghamshire estate.
Mr Cameron is desperate to head off a rebellion over his pledge to devolve a raft of new powers to Holyrood.
He wants to win Tory support in return for guarantees that he will introduce new laws blocking Scottish MPs from voting on English-only legislation.
Mr Salmond said ‘No’ voters in last week's independence referendum were ‘tricked’ by a late vow of more devolved powers.
He said: ‘I am actually not surprised they are cavilling and reneging on commitments, I am only surprised by the speed at which they are doing it. They seem to be totally shameless in these matters.’
Mr Salmond claimed that independence was now only a matter of time. He said: ‘When you have a situation where the majority of a country up to the age of 55 is already voting for independence then I think the writing is on the wall for Westminster.
‘I think the destination is pretty certain, we're only debating the timescale and the method.’
But Alistair Darling this morning insisted the pledge for more powers would be acted upon within the stated timetable.
‘The agreement reached between the three parties is non-negotiable,’ he told the Marr programme.
‘It was promised, it's got to be delivered, and anyone who welches on that will pay a very heavy price for years to come.’
Under the plans agreed by the three Westminster leaders, legislation transferring powers to Westminster would be delivered by whichever government comes into office at next year's general election.
A motion to be laid before the UK parliament by the three parties on Monday sets out steps to deliver further devolution to Scotland within a tight timetable.



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David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Mike - wrong. Westminster are a bunch of lying arseholes. This will run and run and more of the previous "NO" voters will become more and more disenchanted with the promises of all the nonsense that Cameron, Milliband, Clegg, Brown spouted. Its almost a done thing and another referendum will almost be called soon on the grounds of foul play by Westminster. If you think it is Sour Grapes and bad losers then you've been taken in big time.
 
So, here we go again...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg]BOOM! PROOF 'SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE VOTE' WAS RIGGED! - YouTube[/ame]
 
I have a big spoon Larry!

I dont think that one fat ginger chick that cant read or stack a pile of votes in the right place would justify a recount. Even if she is bent I would imagine she would have an equally corrupt colleague batting for the other side to even things out.

Bob
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
The video is colossal evidence and I don't really give a rat's arse whether you like it or not. SNP advocates are in possession of this video ( and other evidence) and once they have proved beyond doubt that it is genuine - along with all the false and disingenuous promises from Westminster, I think there will be a bonfire and Cameron will be on top of the fire.
The "No" voters have been fooled.
 
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