Zimmerman / Martin Case, EX-USA Opinions
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Ron, I am from the US as you know, given the evidence presented by the prosecution and defense, no other verdict was realistic. We have people like Sharpton and Jackson whose existence depends on playing the race card and fanning the flames. We have media who alter the truth to promote themselves. NBC started the whole racial profiling idea with the altered 911 tapes. The FBI investigated and found no evidence of racial or hate crime. Yet Holder as recently as today is suggesting the chance of a racial hate crime investigation that can only be political in nature because the FBI/government has already investigated.
The media keeps referring to Travon Martin as a child. At 17 years of age with parental consent, a young man can join the Armed Forces of the USA. Two men made a bad decision, had an altercation, the man on the bottom got a broken nose (getting a broken nose takes a lot of the fight out of someone and probably made him fear for his life) pulled his gun and shot the man on top of him. The whole thing was bad decisions compounded, either one of the men could have altered the outcome. It wasn't racist, and it was self defense.
Ron, I am from the US as you know, given the evidence presented by the prosecution and defense, no other verdict was realistic. We have people like Sharpton and Jackson whose existence depends on playing the race card and fanning the flames. We have media who alter the truth to promote themselves. NBC started the whole racial profiling idea with the altered 911 tapes. The FBI investigated and found no evidence of racial or hate crime. Yet Holder as recently as today is suggesting the chance of a racial hate crime investigation that can only be political in nature because the FBI/government has already investigated.
The media keeps referring to Travon Martin as a child. At 17 years of age with parental consent, a young man can join the Armed Forces of the USA. Two men made a bad decision, had an altercation, the man on the bottom got a broken nose (getting a broken nose takes a lot of the fight out of someone and probably made him fear for his life) pulled his gun and shot the man on top of him. The whole thing was bad decisions compounded, either one of the men could have altered the outcome. It wasn't racist, and it was self defense.
Jim Rosenthal
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Re: Zimmerman / Martin Case, European Opinions
I agree with Al, but I also feel that the greater blame for the entire tragedy attaches to Zimmerman; guilty or not. As a much older person, it is fair to expect a greater degree of restraint and responsibility from him- neither of which he chose to exercise. As a person who knew he was carrying a gun, he had a reason to expect that he was equipped to defend himself- therefore, why provoke a confrontation? And why didn't he show the gun to Martin, who might have stepped back and not attacked him? Why did he wait to take out the gun?
It isn't fair or reasonable to expect the same degree of self-control from a 17 year old kid as we do from a grown man. Someone should have been the grownup in this episode, and the logical thing to do is to expect the grownup to act like one, which he certainly did not.
George Zimmerman is a trigger-happy fool who is one of the best arguments for gun control I have ever seen. He is such a jackass that he will probably live the rest of his life thinking he did exactly the right thing in following that kid, getting out of his car despite being told not to, and not backing away from the fight that ensued. I hope he is happy with his actions as a police wannabe- a real police officer, on duty or off, would have never let things get to the terrible pitch and conclusion that they did.
As far as Martin being a child, he WAS a child. Yes, we let boys of 17 join the military, and some do. And some boys are grownup enough to do it. But legally he was a child. I don't think Zimmerman is a father. If he was, he might have thought differently about creating a situation in which he took the life of someone else's child. And, no mistake about it, Zimmerman created that situation by following that boy.
I agree with Al, but I also feel that the greater blame for the entire tragedy attaches to Zimmerman; guilty or not. As a much older person, it is fair to expect a greater degree of restraint and responsibility from him- neither of which he chose to exercise. As a person who knew he was carrying a gun, he had a reason to expect that he was equipped to defend himself- therefore, why provoke a confrontation? And why didn't he show the gun to Martin, who might have stepped back and not attacked him? Why did he wait to take out the gun?
It isn't fair or reasonable to expect the same degree of self-control from a 17 year old kid as we do from a grown man. Someone should have been the grownup in this episode, and the logical thing to do is to expect the grownup to act like one, which he certainly did not.
George Zimmerman is a trigger-happy fool who is one of the best arguments for gun control I have ever seen. He is such a jackass that he will probably live the rest of his life thinking he did exactly the right thing in following that kid, getting out of his car despite being told not to, and not backing away from the fight that ensued. I hope he is happy with his actions as a police wannabe- a real police officer, on duty or off, would have never let things get to the terrible pitch and conclusion that they did.
As far as Martin being a child, he WAS a child. Yes, we let boys of 17 join the military, and some do. And some boys are grownup enough to do it. But legally he was a child. I don't think Zimmerman is a father. If he was, he might have thought differently about creating a situation in which he took the life of someone else's child. And, no mistake about it, Zimmerman created that situation by following that boy.
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I agree that Zimmerman could have stopped everything by just sticking the gun in Martins ribs rather than shooting him. I don't think he was "trigger happy", he was 6" shorter than Martin and about the same weight.
When I was a kid, I took a rifle to the range to sight in a new scope I had installed. The rifle was a 303 British with a substantial recoil. I had eye relief too close on the scope. When I test fired it the scope hit me in the bridge of the nose knocking me off the seat. The pain is amazing, your vision is blurred and you are disoriented. Now imagine Zimmerman, he's definitely not a fighter, nose is broken, head is bleeding, and he has 160 lbs sitting on his chest beating on him. I think he lost it, he was never in a situation like this, he probably did think he was going to die. He panicked and shot the guy. It could have been avoided. Everyone is saying Zimmerman was wrong for following Martin. What exactly do "neighborhood watch" people do? They watch the neighborhood for people that they don't recognize. I doubt very much that Zimmerman took the first swing, I don't think he ever laid a fist on Martin, he doesn't look like a fighter. No matter how much we try to explain this, it doesn't work out. A young guy is dead that shouldn't be.
I agree that Zimmerman could have stopped everything by just sticking the gun in Martins ribs rather than shooting him. I don't think he was "trigger happy", he was 6" shorter than Martin and about the same weight.
When I was a kid, I took a rifle to the range to sight in a new scope I had installed. The rifle was a 303 British with a substantial recoil. I had eye relief too close on the scope. When I test fired it the scope hit me in the bridge of the nose knocking me off the seat. The pain is amazing, your vision is blurred and you are disoriented. Now imagine Zimmerman, he's definitely not a fighter, nose is broken, head is bleeding, and he has 160 lbs sitting on his chest beating on him. I think he lost it, he was never in a situation like this, he probably did think he was going to die. He panicked and shot the guy. It could have been avoided. Everyone is saying Zimmerman was wrong for following Martin. What exactly do "neighborhood watch" people do? They watch the neighborhood for people that they don't recognize. I doubt very much that Zimmerman took the first swing, I don't think he ever laid a fist on Martin, he doesn't look like a fighter. No matter how much we try to explain this, it doesn't work out. A young guy is dead that shouldn't be.
Re: Zimmerman / Martin Case, European Opinions
I think Jimbo nailed it, in my opinion, but it isn't really a cause celebre here for all the usual reasons: gun incidents like this are quite removed from us in the UK although even recently, British Police have been vilified for being trigger happy more times than we would like to see because there has been gun intelligence thrown into a controlled vehicle stop for example. The police have not assisted themselves either by perhaps being economical with the facts about such cases. Certainly in the past 3 years there have been at least 6 fatal shootings of suspects, thought/known/suspected of carrying not including the non fatal Woolwich tragedy recently.
What it boils down to with many people here, is the realisation that an armed British Police Force is something to be very wary of, not because they're naturally trigger happy, but because they do not face the incidents or threats that the average US cop does day in day out, and thus the British counterpart, as well trained as they are, are a small elite force that do not have the advantage of daily experience.
This, I believe, has pushed us further away from the "shall we arm the police" situation and when we look at the Zimmerman case, I believe we have taken the correct course.
Traynor/Zimmerman incident seems to be representative of an overall understanding here, that that is just the way it is in the US and there have been many precedents (Rodney King) which always gets the juices flowing.
We only hear/see the negatives and I believe we've always suspected that trial by media is common in the US so I do not think we would get a balanced view anyway.
Was a fair trial possible? No, I think not, and as Jim said, Zimmerman should have born a heavy responsibility for Traynors demise unless he was under deadly threat.
Finally (sorry for long post, it's 0528 here and like 85 degrees in my room), It seems that they possibly charged Zimmerman wrongly and perhaps they should have gone for a lesser charge which may have invoked a plea. OK, lesser potential sentence but justice would have, in my opinion, been better served.
Walking free? I don't think so..
(I've only looked at one story before the trial and just seen the headline so if I'm wrong about anything please correct nicely and I'll go back and look at it all again - I accept of course that Zimmerman was not a cop, but here in the UK, an armed security guard would never ever happen, mainly because many of them are, er shady and act like failed or wannabe cops which is probably what they are)
I think Jimbo nailed it, in my opinion, but it isn't really a cause celebre here for all the usual reasons: gun incidents like this are quite removed from us in the UK although even recently, British Police have been vilified for being trigger happy more times than we would like to see because there has been gun intelligence thrown into a controlled vehicle stop for example. The police have not assisted themselves either by perhaps being economical with the facts about such cases. Certainly in the past 3 years there have been at least 6 fatal shootings of suspects, thought/known/suspected of carrying not including the non fatal Woolwich tragedy recently.
What it boils down to with many people here, is the realisation that an armed British Police Force is something to be very wary of, not because they're naturally trigger happy, but because they do not face the incidents or threats that the average US cop does day in day out, and thus the British counterpart, as well trained as they are, are a small elite force that do not have the advantage of daily experience.
This, I believe, has pushed us further away from the "shall we arm the police" situation and when we look at the Zimmerman case, I believe we have taken the correct course.
Traynor/Zimmerman incident seems to be representative of an overall understanding here, that that is just the way it is in the US and there have been many precedents (Rodney King) which always gets the juices flowing.
We only hear/see the negatives and I believe we've always suspected that trial by media is common in the US so I do not think we would get a balanced view anyway.
Was a fair trial possible? No, I think not, and as Jim said, Zimmerman should have born a heavy responsibility for Traynors demise unless he was under deadly threat.
Finally (sorry for long post, it's 0528 here and like 85 degrees in my room), It seems that they possibly charged Zimmerman wrongly and perhaps they should have gone for a lesser charge which may have invoked a plea. OK, lesser potential sentence but justice would have, in my opinion, been better served.
Walking free? I don't think so..
(I've only looked at one story before the trial and just seen the headline so if I'm wrong about anything please correct nicely and I'll go back and look at it all again - I accept of course that Zimmerman was not a cop, but here in the UK, an armed security guard would never ever happen, mainly because many of them are, er shady and act like failed or wannabe cops which is probably what they are)
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Jim Craik
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Pete McCluskey.
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Re: Zimmerman / Martin Case, European Opinions
As an outsider knowing only what I have read, I think Zimmerman was wrong in following the guy, if it was a neighbourhood watch situation he could have called it in as a suspicious character lurking.
Certainly he should have warned the guy he was armed before it escalated.
As an outsider knowing only what I have read, I think Zimmerman was wrong in following the guy, if it was a neighbourhood watch situation he could have called it in as a suspicious character lurking.
Certainly he should have warned the guy he was armed before it escalated.
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lets see if I get this right, bloke sees what he thinks might be a suspicious character, so he follows him and attemps to take him on, winds up getting the shit beaten out of him so pulls out a gun and shoots him, lesson here be carefull who you pick on, as you might get your arse kicked, been there done that, but I didn't shoot the bugger cause he got the better of me, and then a jury sets him free cause it was self defence, something is very wrong with your legal system to let that happen, very wrong.
a prime case of someone getting their probabilities mixed up with their capabilities.
JMTBW
john
lets see if I get this right, bloke sees what he thinks might be a suspicious character, so he follows him and attemps to take him on, winds up getting the shit beaten out of him so pulls out a gun and shoots him, lesson here be carefull who you pick on, as you might get your arse kicked, been there done that, but I didn't shoot the bugger cause he got the better of me, and then a jury sets him free cause it was self defence, something is very wrong with your legal system to let that happen, very wrong.
a prime case of someone getting their probabilities mixed up with their capabilities.
JMTBW
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Lots of historical precedent for that I think Kaspa. They even try to move trials to get a fair jury hundreds of miles away don't they?
Seems to happen a lot in Black/White/mixed race/whatever situations, assuming Zimmerman was white?
The outcome could have been a lot worse. A few years ago a city would have burned for a verdict like this..but there's still time I suppose.
Lots of historical precedent for that I think Kaspa. They even try to move trials to get a fair jury hundreds of miles away don't they?
Seems to happen a lot in Black/White/mixed race/whatever situations, assuming Zimmerman was white?
The outcome could have been a lot worse. A few years ago a city would have burned for a verdict like this..but there's still time I suppose.
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I guess I wonder why rioting, looting, and burning should and does take place. When OJ walked after being clearly guilty of brutally killing a white women, the white population didn't riot, loot, and burn. Does being black allow for a violent protest? Here in Tucson in the 60s there were riots. The police chief cordoned off that part of the city letting no one in or out. When the burning. looting, and rioting were done, he had them clean it up.
I guess I wonder why rioting, looting, and burning should and does take place. When OJ walked after being clearly guilty of brutally killing a white women, the white population didn't riot, loot, and burn. Does being black allow for a violent protest? Here in Tucson in the 60s there were riots. The police chief cordoned off that part of the city letting no one in or out. When the burning. looting, and rioting were done, he had them clean it up.
Pat
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Unfortunately living where the series of events occurred, we have been subjected to it non-stop. It is clear that some of the Paddock postings are based media reporting and not the actual evidence presented at trial. Your account is substantially different than that presented by both the prosecution and defense. This is understandable given the unbelievable distortions just in the media here.
Based on the evidence at trial, the jury ruled that Mr. Zimmerman feared for his life and was therefore justified in shooting Mr. Martin in his own defense. Legally one is permitted to defend themselves and others from murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery etc.
In our system the burden of proof is with the prosecution and they failed to do so. Now the jurors are being stalked by the media and are under repeated death threats.
This is a tragedy from every standpoint being exacerbated by political and racial agendas coupled with media rating sensationalism.
Mr. Zimmerman is in the process of suing NBC news over the editing of his call to police painting him as a racist. George Zimmerman sues NBC Universal over edited 911 call - CNN.com
I don't post here often anymore and that's probably a good thing. Not that it matters but I would far prefer the paddock focus on stuff like this: Two Teenage Boys Save Little Girl By Chasing Her Abductor Down On Bikes | Elite Daily
Unfortunately living where the series of events occurred, we have been subjected to it non-stop. It is clear that some of the Paddock postings are based media reporting and not the actual evidence presented at trial. Your account is substantially different than that presented by both the prosecution and defense. This is understandable given the unbelievable distortions just in the media here.
Based on the evidence at trial, the jury ruled that Mr. Zimmerman feared for his life and was therefore justified in shooting Mr. Martin in his own defense. Legally one is permitted to defend themselves and others from murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery etc.
In our system the burden of proof is with the prosecution and they failed to do so. Now the jurors are being stalked by the media and are under repeated death threats.
This is a tragedy from every standpoint being exacerbated by political and racial agendas coupled with media rating sensationalism.
Mr. Zimmerman is in the process of suing NBC news over the editing of his call to police painting him as a racist. George Zimmerman sues NBC Universal over edited 911 call - CNN.com
I don't post here often anymore and that's probably a good thing. Not that it matters but I would far prefer the paddock focus on stuff like this: Two Teenage Boys Save Little Girl By Chasing Her Abductor Down On Bikes | Elite Daily
Jeff Young
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I think Jim summed up the practical side of it nicely, and Al summed up the legal one. Zimmerman caused this mess and started the "stupid," but the law allowed him to do what he did and required an acquittal.
Keith, Zimmerman was charged with 2nd Degree Murder (which they never would have convicted him on) and then the jury was instructed on the lesser included offense of manslaughter during the charge conference.
Interestingly, the jurors are saying they were originally split 3-3 but after reviewing the jury instructions they could find no way to convict Zimmerman of the charged crimes.
There's been no real rioting, just some protesting, which I take as a sign that maybe race relations in the US are improving some, as after the Rodney King police officer trial, LA (and this was just 20 years ago) had some of the worst race riots in our country's history.
The European perspective on this stuff is interesting, and a good read.
I think Jim summed up the practical side of it nicely, and Al summed up the legal one. Zimmerman caused this mess and started the "stupid," but the law allowed him to do what he did and required an acquittal.
Keith, Zimmerman was charged with 2nd Degree Murder (which they never would have convicted him on) and then the jury was instructed on the lesser included offense of manslaughter during the charge conference.
Interestingly, the jurors are saying they were originally split 3-3 but after reviewing the jury instructions they could find no way to convict Zimmerman of the charged crimes.
There's been no real rioting, just some protesting, which I take as a sign that maybe race relations in the US are improving some, as after the Rodney King police officer trial, LA (and this was just 20 years ago) had some of the worst race riots in our country's history.
The European perspective on this stuff is interesting, and a good read.
Veek, mate on the contrary, what I read and hear is , this bloke sees what he thinks is a suspicious character, then against advice from his collegue gets out of the car and chases him down, or follows him and confronts him, the kid tells him to piss off, a scuffle happens, Zimerman cops a clout on the snoze, so he pulls a gun and shoots the kid, mate if your law allows that shit to happen no wonder you have all the troubles you have. yep you and everybody every where has a right to defend oneself, but you pick a fight you don't shoot the other guy cause he beat you for Christ sake, be a man take your licken and wise up next time.
now if you were to tell me the young fella pulled a knife or some other form of weapon things might have been different , but that wasn't the case was it.
now if you were to tell me the young fella pulled a knife or some other form of weapon things might have been different , but that wasn't the case was it.
Terry Oxandale
Skinny Man
That's kind of the way I see it as well. Someone picked a fight, and when he got it, he "felt" threatened, or feared bodily injury, and finished the fight he started, even after 911 told him to hold off until police arrived.
"Hold your ground" will be more and more abused as folks begin seeing this as a viable excuse to start a fight (much like the local police officer currrently facing murder charges in a shooting because he "felt theatened" by a suspect, driving away from him).
"Hold your ground" will be more and more abused as folks begin seeing this as a viable excuse to start a fight (much like the local police officer currrently facing murder charges in a shooting because he "felt theatened" by a suspect, driving away from him).
Pat
Supporter
John, according to testimony at the trial, Mr. Zimmerman was alone driving through the neighborhood when he reported Mr. Martin walking in the rain. Because of recent neighborhood break-ins, he called 911 for police assistance as he has done before in similar circumstances. He described an unknown male "just walking around looking about" in the rain and said, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something." Zimmerman reported that the person had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes. On the recording, Zimmerman is heard saying, "these assholes, they always get away."
About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running." The 911 dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?" The sound of a car door chime is heard, indicating Zimmerman opened his car door. Zimmerman followed Martin, eventually losing sight of him. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay." Zimmerman asked that police call him upon their arrival so he could provide his location. Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m.
After Zimmerman ended his call with police, a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman, which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards (64 m) from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.
Mr. Zimmerman's defense contends that he the was returning to his car when he was assaulted by Mr. Martin. The defense further contends that in the altercation, Mr. Martin was repeatedly bashing Mr. Zimmerman's head against the concrete. Mr. Zimmerman had injuries consistent with that assertion as well as a witness that generally supported this contention as well. The witness did not see the gunshot as he was calling police.
In his statement to police, Mr. Zimmerman is quoted as saying, "As soon as he punched me I fell backwards. He was whaling on my head and I started yelling help," said Zimmerman. "He grabbed my head and started hitting me into the sidewalk. I slid into the grass to get out from under him. I was still yelling out for help."
Zimmerman said Martin told him, "You are going to die tonight" and kept banging his head into the sidewalk, and that he shot and killed the teen soon after.
The defense contended Mr. Martin prior to his initiation of the physical altercation with Mr. Zimmerman, had the opportunity (four minutes or so) to flee prior to the point he punched Zimmerman apparently disfiguring and possibly breaking his nose and they fell to the ground in what ended in the deadly confrontation. Ms Jenteal, a witness for the prosecution partially, supports this contention. She testified she told Martin to run to the townhouse where he was staying with his father in a cell phone conversation they had immediately prior to the scuffle.
The prosecution did not produce compelling evidence to dispute the defense claims. The arresting officers indicated they believed Mr. Zimmerman was credible and forensic testimony also supported his story. The jury indicated found Mr. Zimmerman's claim that he was in fear for his life believable and therefore justified in their minds the use of deadly force.
You are certainly free to look up the actual testimony and evidence provided and come to your own conclusions and decide what exactly how our "law allows that shit to happen" and contrast it to your own legal system. I'd also defer to Jeff and some of the other attorneys on the forum as to the comparative nature of our legal structures.
This whole series of events is tragic and stupid. It's stupid that Mr. Zimmerman's neighborhood is in a state of fear over the robberies. It's stupid that Mr. Zimmerman gets into a scuffle, especially when he is wearing a weapon. It's stupid that Mr. Martin was using Miami street confrontation rules on an armed overzealous neighbor hood watch volunteer. They both should have walked away. It's stupid that the media edited the 911 call to paint Zimmerman as a white murdering racist and it's sad that the narrative has devolved into the divisive and hate filled dialog with death threats to everyone from the jurors, to the judge to the police departments on the other side of the country. It's just stupid...
They call it "neighborhood "watch"" for a reason. Not neighborhood apprehend, detain, shoot, kill, etc. Stay in your car and watch until authorities arrive.
Either one of them could have walked away at almost any time...
Martin was 17 - legally a non-adult - but far from the innocent 12 year old "child" some have made him out to be.
The media makes me want to puke; but they come in a close second to the Florida Attorney's office. They are all out for themselves and are just as bad as the Jessie Jacksons of the world - advance their agendas.
Justice was had by all. Justice is not getting your way, justice is having the ability to have your day in court - they both got that. Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman were represented, the State of Florida saw to that (another story if it even should have gone to court/charged).
So, in the end a very tough state of affairs for the jurors. Then, today, to have Jesse Jackson say that one of them should have been black would have changed the outcome - maybe/probably - is despicable to the extent it would appear the only ones making this a race issue are the ones with an agenda.
I don't get it. But, this is history in the making. Curiously there is no mention of the half dozen deaths in Chicago during the time of the Zimmerman trial???
Either one of them could have walked away at almost any time...
Martin was 17 - legally a non-adult - but far from the innocent 12 year old "child" some have made him out to be.
The media makes me want to puke; but they come in a close second to the Florida Attorney's office. They are all out for themselves and are just as bad as the Jessie Jacksons of the world - advance their agendas.
Justice was had by all. Justice is not getting your way, justice is having the ability to have your day in court - they both got that. Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman were represented, the State of Florida saw to that (another story if it even should have gone to court/charged).
So, in the end a very tough state of affairs for the jurors. Then, today, to have Jesse Jackson say that one of them should have been black would have changed the outcome - maybe/probably - is despicable to the extent it would appear the only ones making this a race issue are the ones with an agenda.
I don't get it. But, this is history in the making. Curiously there is no mention of the half dozen deaths in Chicago during the time of the Zimmerman trial???
It obviously doesn't raise media concern that 150 blacks have been killed in Chicago this year. It doesn't concern Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or the black community. It doesn't concern Eric Holder. Too busy stirring up hate!
Were mistakes made on both sides by both MEN? Yes but how about we all respect the process we have and have faith in the 12 jurors, all Female, mostly mother's, decision of verdict. They were informed and they came to the same decision.
BTW, in my opinion, law enforcement got it right after the initial incident, based on the evidence, and didn't charge Zimmerman for several weeks due to the laws in place at the time. It wasn't until the uninformed court of public opinion pressured the judicial portion of the process into bringing charges which well.....we all know the outcome.
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BTW, in my opinion, law enforcement got it right after the initial incident, based on the evidence, and didn't charge Zimmerman for several weeks due to the laws in place at the time. It wasn't until the uninformed court of public opinion pressured the judicial portion of the process into bringing charges which well.....we all know the outcome.
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Pete McCluskey.
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If that is so the media which controls public opinion ( sheeple) have even more to answer for.
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