Knock Out Punches!

[Doug S.]

It's good to finally hear in his own words, just where Mr Romney stands on the important issues.

And....yet another "knock-out punch" delivered by the inept Romney, himself.

"...47% of Americans pay NO income taxes". Pure rubbish! I could see that perhaps 47% get a tax refund when they file, which might to Romney seem like they PAY no taxes, but if that is how he got his 47% statistic the simple truth is that they OVERPAID their taxes throughout the year, the government used the excess taxes they paid interest free, and the citizens deserved to get it back.

Of course, those 47% could not POSSIBLY afford a $700,000 horse and find a way to deduct it from income, as did Ann (and Mitt) Romney.

This man has no business trying to run our country...more likely he would ruin our country.

How clueless and out of touch with the average American citizen can he be????? The Democrats could probably just quit spending their campaign money right now and let Romney cut his own throat with his own words....at least he's good at that :thumbsup: !!!

Doug

 

[Bob Fechter]

What don't you get?

“47 percent” of Americans don’t pay income tax, and those 'dependent on government' probably won’t vote for him."

According to the Tax Policy Center, a partnership of the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, 46.4 percent of American filers pay “zero or negative” income tax.

According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of Americans live in a household that receives a government entitlement for “health care” through Medicaid or Medicare, “food” through stamps, disability, Social Security, or a “housing” assistance program.

 

[Tom P]

And....yet another "knock-out punch" delivered by the inept Romney, himself.

"...47% of Americans pay NO income taxes". Pure rubbish! I could see that perhaps 47% get a tax refund when they file, which might to Romney seem like they PAY no taxes, but if that is how he got his 47% statistic the simple truth is that they OVERPAID their taxes throughout the year, the government used the excess taxes they paid interest free, and the citizens deserved to get it back.

Of course, those 47% could not POSSIBLY afford a $700,000 horse and find a way to deduct it from income, as did Ann (and Mitt) Romney.

This man has no business trying to run our country...more likely he would ruin our country.

How clueless and out of touch with the average American citizen can he be????? The Democrats could probably just quit spending their campaign money right now and let Romney cut his own throat with his own words....at least he's good at that :thumbsup: !!!

Doug

Yeah, he only paid $2.8 million in taxes. How about showing us that deduction, it must have been legal, he's still here. That 47% number is correct, with deductions they pay nothing. He is average, except for the drive and brains that took him from nothing to where he is today. That's called being successful.

 

[Jim Craik]

He is average, except for the drive and brains that took him from nothing to where he is today. That's called being successful.

Posted by TomP

Thats right Tom, Mr Romney came from nothing and did it all himself. He is no different than the 47% he talks about.

They too could have done what Mr Romney did. They only needed to get their Governer father to support them through College, buy them a nice home, then send them to Stanford and then Harvard Law, No problem!

He's no different, these lazy 47% just refuse to accept the Stanford, Harvard schooling that their parents tried to give them...................right?

What a bunch of crap!

Tom, your handelers have told you that Romney is a self made man and dispite all the evidence to the contrary you believed them?

Tom, look at the facts, try and think for yourself!

 

[Bob Fechter]

And there's what the comrades have left to run on, class envy and lies.

Forget about the economy, we don't have a chance because the 1% has it all and wants even more.

Forget about our dismal foreign policy, an evil Youtuber started the riots.

 

[Jim Craik]

I must say, I'm very happy having blocked Mr Fechter's lies and insults.

I can strongly recommend to all, the calming advantages of blocking this troll!

 

[Bob Fechter]

Curious how Mr. Craik would post on the subject of Mr. Fechter's being blocked by himself immediately after Mr. Fechter posted.

 

[Jeff Young]

What don't you get?

“47 percent” of Americans don’t pay income tax, and those 'dependent on government' probably won’t vote for him."

According to the Tax Policy Center, a partnership of the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, 46.4 percent of American filers pay “zero or negative” income tax.

According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of Americans live in a household that receives a government entitlement for “health care” through Medicaid or Medicare, “food” through stamps, disability, Social Security, or a “housing” assistance program.

Just so you are clear on this, of that 46.4 percent:

27 percent pay federal payroll taxes, they just get enough of a deduction as to income tax
18 percent are elderly or make less than $20k

So, in reality, less than 1% of the population making more than 20k pays no income tax. And a substantial portion of them are millionaires.

Plus, if we ended the deductions that result in the folks making less than 20k paying no income tax, we lose the mortgage deduction, the state income tax deduction, the 401k/IRA deduction etc.

You are ok with eliminating them right? Because that means your taxes will go up.

 

[Bob Fechter]

Just so you're clear, jeff, 46.4% of the people don't care what the tax rate is and will vote for it to be higher. The "old people" you hate so much are growing in number and they are going to tax the living shit out of you in a few years. Everyone needs a little skin in the game, even if its a dollar, so they know theirs could go up too.

 

[Jeff Young]

You didn't answer the question. Typical.

Actually, those 46.4% DO care because if the rates go up, they pay more, either via payroll deductions OR because their income tax liability is no longer off set by deductions etc.

Do we need to send you back to remedial math?

P.S. 38% v. 35% is not "taxing the living shit out of me."

 

[Doug S.]

Curious how Mr. Craik would post on the subject of Mr. Fechter's being blocked by himself immediately after Mr. Fechter posted.

LB, if you had ever tried to "ignore" someone you would know that the site shows that the person "ignored" had posted a response, but it does not show the response, only something to the effect that the person's response is hidden because he is on ignore.

He doesn't know what you posted, only that you graced us all (except for Jim, no doubt) with your infinite wisdom :stunned:

Doug

 

[Jim Craik]

Yes Doug, it says "this message is hidden", but you can see that a post was made.

 

[Chris]

If you want to be president why would you work so hard at insulting half of the U.S. population? Damn camera phones ruining a nice moment between Romney and his people. How can you write off all those voters as helpless victims with zero aspirations just enjoying the free ride? Of course some people take advantage but not everyone. I am sure many people who are living below the poverty line and "ducking" Uncle Sam would love to pay an income tax in exchange for just a shot at a better life.
Businessman like Romney are much more responsible for the current economic climate than anyone making less than 20K a year. We need to change the metrics of success. Money in the bank doesn't make you a good American especially when you keep it in the Cayman Islands. How about excercising some social responsibility and morals when running a large politically influential corporation. Americans are too expensive to hire so we take the jobs elsewhere and then complain when the unemployment rate will not come down. When the bankers screw up they turn to their buddy Hank Paulson (ex Goldman Sachs) and the Bush administration for a bailout. So it is ok to accept the government's money when the bookie comes calling but throw a fit when anyone attemps to regulate these retards (No offense to actual retards who also do not pay taxes.....Jerks!)
Romney really should not give up on all of these voters just yet. There will always be a few who are willing to wait at his feet for the inevitable trickle down to occur. I don't know about you guys but I at least want to pull myself up high enough to swing on Romney's giant cock.

 

[Jim Craik]

If you want to be president why would you work so hard at insulting half of the U.S. population?

Posted by Chris

Chris,

I'm fairly sure that Romney did not think he was talking to the US population. He was talking to a private group of Republican Fat cats making $50,000 donations.

He thought he could speak freely amoung the rich. There is no need to even pretend that he cares about the American People among the rich. He felt he could say what he really thinks among fellow wealthy conservatives.

Romney and the selfish conservatives do not care about the majority of the American people, their campaign has shown that over and over. This was just him getting caught saying what he really thinks.

Its interesting that his big complaint here is he thinks that the poor are not paying their fair share, even as he refuses show he has paid his.

I understand that he required his VP candidates to provide him with 10 years of tax returns.

But then Mr Romney is above all that, he's a selfish hypocrite. As his wife said: We have given you people all the information you need.

"You people"?

 

[Jim Craik]

If Mr Romney really cares about folks paying their fair share, why does he not talk about the red States.

Most of the red states pay less in taxes than they receive. Thats right, the folkes complaing about government spending are receiving more from the Government than they pay. Kind of like welfare for Republicans.

I say cut off this gravy train, make them earn their welfare.

 

[Cliff Beer]

There's no doubt that Mitt is a driven guy, and a very smart guy. He did after all, propel himself to ultra wealth and success, and doesn't seem to have done anything particularly illegal or unethical in the process of getting there.

But he doesn't come from humble beginnings - as has been pointed out his father was a state Governor and his family had money and connections. This is often how people get into Harvard. But he didn't just kick back, he worked his tail off at Harvard and continued that hard work into his professional life. Somebody doesn't swim with sharks like he has (in mgmt consulting and private equity) and come out on top unless they're very, very smart.

He probably has very little clue how the 47% of American tax filers who pay no tax live on a day-to-day basis.

Sometimes being the smartest guy in the room is really no great thing though. Brains are highly overrated. What matters most is being able to get things done, and that takes a little dose of compassion and understanding, and a large dose of life wisdom and the ability to relate to all people from all walks of life. It's called leadership, and it's an increasingly rare quality in D.C. As far as I can tell, the last great leader we had in the Presidential slot was Ronald Reagan, preceded by JFK and Roosevelt.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a really great leader come along and run for President?

 

[Doug S.]

Sometimes being the smartest guy in the room is really no great thing though. Brains are highly overrated. What matters most is being able to get things done, and that takes a little dose of compassion and understanding, and a large dose of life wisdom and the ability to relate to all people from all walks of life.

I recently read a magazine article about Romney in which it became apparent his success was the result of incredible dedication to his quest, mixed with a healthy dose of caution. I was impressed that despite many opportunities to invest in companies in the "gun" industry and the tobacco industry, he steadfastly refused, stating that those would be "dirty" (placed in quotes by me, b/c I may not be remembering exact word used in the article, but the intended meaning is intact, IMHO) investments and therefore he was not interested in them, regardless of the profit opportunities. He reportedly is a master at data analysis and apparently spent many extra hours arranging his data in many forms, charts, graphs, etc., to help him decide which opportunities to pursue.

All that does not make him an honorable man...his interests were NEVER to benefit the companies, they were only to make profit from the misfortune befalling those unfortunate, distressed companies. Sure, he managed to bring some back to life, but his efforts were not related to compassion for the employees of those companies, they were motivated by simple greed.

I have said frequently that "Compassion for those less fortunate than you is not a character deficit"....however, it is my sincere belief that failure to feel compassion for those less fortunate than you IS a character deficit.

Romney's recent remarks demonstrate quite clearly that he has no compassion for those less fortunate than himself...and that he has no interest in developing any. If one believes Romney's stated statistics, then 47% of the U.S. population could be without enough resources to know where their next meal would come from and Romney would not care.

He is frantically trying to spin-doctor his comments.....but, even though Jim is right in saying Romney should have felt comfortable stating his true feelings to a rather economically skewed audience, they DO represent his true feelings, obviously, and therefore I cannot imagine how his campaign can be successful.

Heaven help that 47% of the population if I am wrong....it is obvious that Romney has no interest in helping them :thumbsdown: .

Doug

 

[Bob Fechter]

Doug, all you've said above is a studied attempt at trying to make the worst picture of Romney possible. First off, this controversy about not "caring" about those he knows won't vote for him has come up before. It is not a matter of caring, its the realization that nothing he does or says will sway these people. As he said the first time, " those people are already being taken care of." There has never been any suggestion of throwing them off the entitlement roles.

Do you think any businessman, using his and his investor's capital makes choices in his investments according to compassion? Is it compassionate to invest in something that will not survive? Is it compassionate to save a worthy business that needs direction, thus saving jobs?


The ideal of conservatism is to encourage the private sector to create more jobs so that people get off these entitlement roles voluntarily. Right now business doesn't invest because of the uncertainty of the current administration. Believe it, Doug, get out from behind your ivory walls of academia and talk to the entrepeneurs out there.

Also, does B.O. have a list of those he know will never vote for him?????

 

[Bob Fechter]

Latest news on this affair is that the far left wing publication, "Mother Jones" who released Romney's tape to the world heavily edited the tape. They have gone on to admit they did it and released a new version of the tape.

Only trouble is, they still omitted a section of the critical part of the tape!

 

[Pat]

Whew, with the intense focus on the edited comments from a Romney fundraiser we can avoid the unpleasantness of discussing the economy, the debt, the $16T deficit, the looming conflict between China and Japan, the collapse of the administration’s middle east policy, the nuclear progress of Iran and the fact that food, fuel and the cost of living is skyrocketing while the government answers with printing more money.
It is no accident that the Romney video surfaced at just the moment Mr. Obama's foreign policy creds went into the tank. I would assume the next problem for the president will be answered with another assault on Mr. Romney’s character, wealth or spouse. Funny, I don’t remember similar issues about Mr. Kerry when he was running for president. He made his money the old fashioned way, he married it. And that Teresa Heinz (she doesn’t use “Kerry” anymore) that’s a charmer for you. If only Laura Bush or Ms. Romney had her sophistication…

The Democratic machine in this country is putrid.
-Teresa Heinz Kerry

You said something I didn't say. Now shove it.
-Teresa Heinz Kerry (To reporter she claimed misquoted her)

As I have said before, if you are happy with Mr. Obama's policies, the growth of debt, the expanding size of government, the catering to special interests then you should vote for him. Maybe if we release the Blind Sheik that bombed the World Trade Center (as the President of Egypt has requested), they'll like us and stop tearing up our embassies.

What could possibly go wrong?