More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

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Mark

Hi Dave W,

I read that you won't reply, so wasn't sure if I'd bother posting this.

However, I want to simply offer thanks to you, for clearing up the old man-made global warming debate for us. If only I had known before, that the matter was so obvious, we could have avoided all this banter! I had never heard a scientist on either side of the debate use a phrase such as, "of course it is primarily caused by man". Of course? Really? That clear?? Why are you not heading up the IPCC yourself Dave, if it's all so obvious to you?

In the meantime, I shall try to wrap my 'little mind' around the fact that you exclaim your desire for us to use 'proper English', yet the general phrasing of your post would struggle to even grade at a level of C-.

Carry on.
 
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Larry L.

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Dave W said:
Please don't waste your time flaming me back, I shan't be around to read it.
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Oh, you'll be back just to see if you spawned responses. You won't be able to resist 'cause you're a 'drive-by flamer' after all...an' dat's whut dey do...dat's whut dey do.
 
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Keith

Moderator
Another SPF or potential SPF owner I fancy. Strange how similarly belligerent some of those people can be.

Must have had a wild hair or something after all, it was early.
 
Jim Craik

Jim Craik

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Keith1 said:
Another SPF or potential SPF owner I fancy. Strange how similarly belligerent some of those people can be.

Must have had a wild hair or something after all, it was early.
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Gee Keith,

So its the car......

Thats great to know, I was always under the impression that it was the British flag that made people belligerent.
 
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Pete

Pete McCluskey.

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So I should have known, it's all a big business conspiracy. I can't say I disagree Dave seeing that the biggest business in every country is Government.
I would say that your unique and well thought out post may get you nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Particularly if it generates a movie.
 
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Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Keith1 said:
Another SPF or potential SPF owner I fancy. Strange how similarly belligerent some of those people can be.
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Yeeeeeeeeeup...that we are. And (given a lifetime of exposure to various "p.c." dictates and other all around liberal claptrap being forced down our throats) with good reason, I might add. After all, the best defense is a good offense...or 'offence'...depending on one's preference.

rockonsmile
 
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Keith

Moderator
Jim Craik said:
Gee Keith,

So its the car......

Thats great to know, I was always under the impression that it was the British flag that made people belligerent.
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It makes them angry for sure! (It's the English what makes them mad, not British - we always get the blame - the English that is)

The SPF jibe was reference to the spat that Mike and Al Wohlstrom had which resulted in Al resigning from the forum altogether. Silly really, I liked Al. You must know who I mean Jim? And Mr David W from his previous posts looked as if he's either ordered one or is about to, so no conspiracy here mate...

David W though is from your side of the pond sailing under a False Flag:)

Are we good?
 
Jim Craik

Jim Craik

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As good as can be expected;)

I think the Al you are refering to is Alan Watkins, he lives near me. In fact now that his 40 is running, we are going to Dynomat the interior tomrrow morning. That side oiler is a whole bunch louder than my 302!
 
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Keith

Moderator
Jim Craik said:
As good as can be expected;)

I think the Al you are refering to is Alan Watkins, he lives near me. In fact now that his 40 is running, we are going to Dynomat the interior tomrrow morning. That side oiler is a whole bunch louder than my 302!
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Of course you are correct. Apologies to any other ALS that May have been harmed in this process :) please say hi to him for me - I always enjoyed his posts and it was a shame he was essentially "bullied" off this board by Mike who can be very, er, blunt.

Tell Mr Watkins he is very welcome to pop in to the Paddock any time and you can assure him that as long as he steers clear of US politics he will be fine!

Interesting that you know his car is running, as it was the never ending jibe that it wasn't finished that drove him away. The fact that the aforesaid Mike is now suitably chastened doesn't alter the fact that he was tiresomely rude to Al for absolutely no reason.
 
Pete

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Some more from Viv Forbes.


What determines surface temperature at any spot on earth?

Apart from a tad of geothermal heat and a wisp of heat from nuclear power generators, every bit of surface energy (including coal and biomass) comes directly or indirectly from the sun. There is no other source of surface heat – everything else just stores, releases or re-directs solar energy.

Surface heat is maximised when the sun is directly overhead, near a peak in the sunspot cycle and when Earth’s orbit comes closest to the sun (perihelion). The hottest places on earth will be found near the equator, after mid-day, in mid-summer, at perihelion and when there are no clouds in the sky to reflect solar radiation. Temperature will be maximised when there is no cooling wind and no nearby surface water or moist soils to cool things by evaporation. Since higher temperature also occurs at lower altitudes, one of the hottest places on earth is Death Valley, a desert below sea level, where the temperature can reach 56 ℃ on a mid-summer afternoon.

Frigid temperatures are found near the poles, where solar energy is weak. The coldest place on Earth is Vostok at high altitude in Antarctica where the air is very dry and where the temperature can go as low as minus 89 ℃ with a cloudless sky in the dead of winter.

Since both extremes could occur simultaneously, Earth’s maximum daily temperature range is thus up to 145 ℃. But at any single place, the diurnal variation is more likely to be about 15-40 ℃.

Carbon dioxide has no effect on any of the above temperature drivers – it generates no new heat, cannot affect latitude, solar orbits, sun spots, altitude, season, time of day, clouds or the proximity of water. All it can possibly do is encourage plant growth, and intercept, absorb and redirect a tiny bit radiant energy passing either way between the sun, Earth’s surface and space. But that effect is almost exhausted at current levels of carbon dioxide. Doubling the carbon dioxide content from 400 ppm to 800 ppm (which may take the next 100 years) might possibly increase surface temperatures by up to 2 ℃ - not even noticeable compared to the daily temperature ranges we cope with now.

Everyone can feel the powerful warmth of the rising sun, the variations between summer and winter, the moderating effect of clouds and the shock of hot and cold winds.

But even if carbon dioxide levels doubled overnight, most people on earth would not notice any difference.
 
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colin artus

'The hottest places on earth will be found near the equator' - No. The author mentions Death Valley and this is nowhere near the equator. If the earth's surface were all land then this would be true but at the equator there is far more sea surface than land leading to high levels of athmospheric water vapour. The effective maximum temp in equatorial regions is apprx 37c as a result and the diurnal range is low. By contrast it is the lack of water vapour that allows desert areas like Death Valley to achieve such high temperatures during the day and to plummet to below freezing at night.
 
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Mark

The author mentioned Death Valley as an example, when describing places at low altitude, as an additional situation, not as a reference to places along or near to, the equator.
 
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Brian Stewart
Supporter
Pete, you'd likely have more chance of getting a sensible answer if you asked something like "Who believes in the right to bear arms?" Oh, hang on a minute....
 
Pete

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
And of course the I.P.C.C.:laugh: My fault I should have been more specific,
Does anyone on this forum still believe in man made global warming?
 
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