Obarmy has struck a deal with China over the use of HFC`s which probably means more $$$$$$ being leeched from the coffers.
China, U.S. Make Climate Deal -- NYMag
Bob
China, U.S. Make Climate Deal -- NYMag
Bob
More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.
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I must say that with China becoming a major player in the industrialized world, it is refreshing to see that they have acknowledged that their emissions might have some impact on what seems to me to be a cycle of natural warming that the earth is enduring. The fact that they were willing to agree to adopt measures to curb their emission of greenhouse gasses is a foot in the door...now the two most active countries in the world have acknowledged that action is necessary, how long before the remaining ones join in on the act?
It can't hurt for them to reduce greenhouse gas emissions...whether or not it will help seems to be an issue for further investigation, but I think there's pretty much universal agreement that it can't hurt.
Cheers to China (and...even though many of you won't like this....to Obama for getting that HUGE country to join in what needs to be a worldwide effort to avoid contributing to what may be a natural cyclic deterioration of our planet's atmosphere.)
Doug
It can't hurt for them to reduce greenhouse gas emissions...whether or not it will help seems to be an issue for further investigation, but I think there's pretty much universal agreement that it can't hurt.
Cheers to China (and...even though many of you won't like this....to Obama for getting that HUGE country to join in what needs to be a worldwide effort to avoid contributing to what may be a natural cyclic deterioration of our planet's atmosphere.)
Doug
Pete McCluskey.
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Xi Jinping’s promise to start reducing China’s emissions by 2030 (did he really say, “start to” and "by 2030?") is an empty undertaking. China will continue to increase its use of Australia’s coal until China decides nuclear or hydroelectricity are cheaper alternatives.
The truth about this fatuous dual emissions announcement is that an impotent Obama has convinced Xi Jinping to undertake exactly nothing in order to get global warming on the agenda at Brisbane’s G20 after Tony Abbott had declared his lack of interest in the warming hoax.
Obama’s ploy will not succeed in Brisbane. Nor will it get traction back home as the US suffers its third straight early winter with a new lot of record low temperatures. Be prepared for an all-out UN war on global warming sceptics (realists) in preparation for next year’s Paris Conference on Climate Change.
Hmmm, what do they say the first casualty of war is again?
The truth about this fatuous dual emissions announcement is that an impotent Obama has convinced Xi Jinping to undertake exactly nothing in order to get global warming on the agenda at Brisbane’s G20 after Tony Abbott had declared his lack of interest in the warming hoax.
Obama’s ploy will not succeed in Brisbane. Nor will it get traction back home as the US suffers its third straight early winter with a new lot of record low temperatures. Be prepared for an all-out UN war on global warming sceptics (realists) in preparation for next year’s Paris Conference on Climate Change.
Hmmm, what do they say the first casualty of war is again?
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What China SAYS it's going to do and what it actually ends up DOING
...?...eeeeh, who knows... (Isn't it China who CONTINUES to put 10,000 non-scrubbed coal-fired power plants on line every darned day...or whatever?)
BUT - I'll bet the farm they couldn't care less about, and aren't concerned at all with "global warming". TRUST me. If they have ANY envrionmental concerns at all, they'll be limited to cleaning up the air in their industrial cities - period. 'JMHO' based on what I've observed re: China's past behavior. BUT, I admit I could be wrong. We'll see.
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We'll probably never know. And if he ever tells us what that is/was - he'll undoubtedly be LYING anyway.
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Terry Oxandale
Skinny Man
Remember back when CFCs were the talk of the day, and we actually came together to ban them? If that had instead happened today, can you imagine the arguments taking place that would prevent a successful intervention today. It would have never happened in today's world.
Okay...you're going to have to refresh my memory re: the CFC ban, Terry...but, wasn't there honest-to-God, for real, verifiable science behind the CFC ban as opposed to the BULL PUCKY, FAUX SCIENCE that's driving the "global warming" farce we're seeing today???
I truly do NOT recall.
(I suppose I could Google it, but...)
NO! Caused by the fact that the Earth and the Universe that it spins in, is anything but a constant. Humans: The only living thing that has developed the arrogance to actually believe they can manipulate and control it all.
Aren't we just super-duper-jerk-ourselves-off, fantastic!
...that should read: "SOME humans"!
Maybe "warmers" everywhere could learn something if they asked the folks who have lava in their living rooms over there in Hawaii right now just how well man's "control" over nature is working out for them.
Or, 'mebbe' not...
...that should read: "SOME humans"!
Maybe "warmers" everywhere could learn something if they asked the folks who have lava in their living rooms over there in Hawaii right now just how well man's "control" over nature is working out for them.
Or, 'mebbe' not...
Some people are not stupid enough, to build their homes on the side of a bloody Volcano in the first place, nor arrogant enough to think that if I do build my house here, the Volcano wouldn't dare burn it down. Or go on t build the house anyway, actually believing that Government can and will protect them and that no matter what, the tax payer will stump up the necessary to reimburse me for my cretinous stupidity and overwhelming smugness.
Some people are not stupid enough, to build their homes on the side of a bloody Volcano in the first place, nor arrogant enough to think that if I do build my house here, the Volcano wouldn't dare burn it down. Or go on t build the house anyway, actually believing that Government can and will protect them and that no matter what, the tax payer will stump up the necessary to reimburse me for my cretinous stupidity and overwhelming smugness.
Sad part is, over here the government will rebuild it for them, and let them keep building again and again when "mother nature" rolls over it.
I see "Global Warming" has hit the USA really hard in the past 24 hours! :laugh:
Yes, I know about the true meaning of "Global Warming" before all the tree huggers jump on me, but I couldn't resist.
Hope everyone had chance to garage their toys before the blizzards struck...
Yes, I know about the true meaning of "Global Warming" before all the tree huggers jump on me, but I couldn't resist.
Hope everyone had chance to garage their toys before the blizzards struck...
:shocked: You DO?! :shocked: Well then, by golly, Colonel, that makes you a member of one darned exclusive, very elite lil' group then, innit!:bow::bow::bow: The rest of us mere mortals salute you, sir, 'cause it's pretty obvious we don't have a darned clue! :laugh4:
The beauty of "warming" is its meaning can morph into whatever it needs to mean at any given time so that any current weather/climate situation can be used to "prove" it exists. 'Too cold - global warming. 'Too hot - global warming. 'Too many hurricanes - global warming. ''Too few hurricanes - global warming, etc., etc. So, the early cold wave we're having here in the U.S. right now is OBVIOUSLY proof of global warming (or whatever they're calling it this week). See how that works?
(Edit: This is reportedly the coldest November we've had here in parts of the U.S. since the 1970s...you know...the '70s?...when we were supposedly entering the next Ice Age?...and yet, here, right in the middle of the "global warming" Al and the boys are insisting is going on - we're freezing our butts off...just like we have during the past couple of W-I-N-T-E-R-S! 'Gotta LUV it!)
Mine were put away back in Sept...and the 'heat' in the garage they're in was lit off in Nov.
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Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Hope y'all over there are nice and rugged up and staying warm while this freezing weather caused by arctic vortexes which are caused by global warming is happening.
'Had a brand new, 97% efficient furnace installed in the house 2.5 years ago...and the overhead unit out in the detached garage was just 'tuned up' before I fired it up in November. On toppa that, we have a generator on tap if the power goes out for some reason.
BRING IT. :sneaky:
I keep hearing about global warming...and yet here we are talking about an unusual temperature extreme on the other end of the thermometer.
Is it possible that whatever damage we may have contributed....or, perhaps, just the natural cycle that earth may be going through...is it possible that the end result is greater variances in weather, in essence colder colds as well as hotter hots?
I know for a fact that the winters are not as extreme in the part of the US where I was raised as they were 50 years ago...but the summers are less intense, too...back in the 1960s the most common form of cooling was a "swamp cooler", essentially a device that pumped water up to the top of a box and that water tricked down to the bottom through some sort of product I recall being called "excelsior"...looked a lot like shredded wood to me...but the idea was to get some humidity into the house because the predominant weather pattern was incredibly arid. Now the summers are much more humid, there is much more rain (I can recall going for the entire 3 months of "summer" without more than two or three significant rains), the temperatures are much more tolerable...now that I think about it, it's exactly the opposite of what I said at the first of this post, the winters are LESS extreme and so are the summers.
There's something going on with the climate...definitely different and 50 years is a long time in the life of a human but not even a heartbeat in the life of a planet.
As for whether or not mankind has done any damage...IMHO the answer is probably, but how much is the question that then arises...and leads to other questions about how much difference we can make by just using less fossil fuels when what we probably ought to do is stop using them at all.
Something's up....it's just difficult to get a handle on what it is. Could the extremes be affecting the polar areas more-so than the equatorial areas? There IS significant loss to the ice in the northern Atlantic countries like Greenland and Iceland..the photos are proof positive of that, but all that water has to go somewhere within our environment, perhaps it is just being redistributed to the equatorial regions...with less significant effects on the "midwest" where I grew up because the largest changes will be around the equator?
So many questions are being raised...just his week a huge lake-effects storm has really DUMPED on the western areas of New York...older people are saying they've never seen anything like it.
Perhaps instead of greater extremes, the answer is just more significant swings in certain areas. One thing is for sure, the earth's environment is a "closed system"...none of it is going to drift off into space, so all the moisture is still here and is perhaps being transferred into a different form (like the glaciers melting and becoming more humid air in the midwest during the summers?).
I know you will all like this idea...perhaps we should fund MORE research to figure out what's going on?
Naaaaah.....just playing with your heads!
Cheers!
Doug
Is it possible that whatever damage we may have contributed....or, perhaps, just the natural cycle that earth may be going through...is it possible that the end result is greater variances in weather, in essence colder colds as well as hotter hots?
I know for a fact that the winters are not as extreme in the part of the US where I was raised as they were 50 years ago...but the summers are less intense, too...back in the 1960s the most common form of cooling was a "swamp cooler", essentially a device that pumped water up to the top of a box and that water tricked down to the bottom through some sort of product I recall being called "excelsior"...looked a lot like shredded wood to me...but the idea was to get some humidity into the house because the predominant weather pattern was incredibly arid. Now the summers are much more humid, there is much more rain (I can recall going for the entire 3 months of "summer" without more than two or three significant rains), the temperatures are much more tolerable...now that I think about it, it's exactly the opposite of what I said at the first of this post, the winters are LESS extreme and so are the summers.
There's something going on with the climate...definitely different and 50 years is a long time in the life of a human but not even a heartbeat in the life of a planet.
As for whether or not mankind has done any damage...IMHO the answer is probably, but how much is the question that then arises...and leads to other questions about how much difference we can make by just using less fossil fuels when what we probably ought to do is stop using them at all.
Something's up....it's just difficult to get a handle on what it is. Could the extremes be affecting the polar areas more-so than the equatorial areas? There IS significant loss to the ice in the northern Atlantic countries like Greenland and Iceland..the photos are proof positive of that, but all that water has to go somewhere within our environment, perhaps it is just being redistributed to the equatorial regions...with less significant effects on the "midwest" where I grew up because the largest changes will be around the equator?
So many questions are being raised...just his week a huge lake-effects storm has really DUMPED on the western areas of New York...older people are saying they've never seen anything like it.
Perhaps instead of greater extremes, the answer is just more significant swings in certain areas. One thing is for sure, the earth's environment is a "closed system"...none of it is going to drift off into space, so all the moisture is still here and is perhaps being transferred into a different form (like the glaciers melting and becoming more humid air in the midwest during the summers?).
I know you will all like this idea...perhaps we should fund MORE research to figure out what's going on?
Naaaaah.....just playing with your heads!
Cheers!
Doug
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Actually Doug, great idea! I doing research right now if you would like to contribute please feel free.
