You believe your opinions are based upon a logical and rational thought process, usingThe difference being that MY opinions are based on logical, rational thought processes using facts, not conjecture or emoting.
As a soldier, I would like to think that my life was worth more than some fleeting moment of "feeling" for one of the do-nothing "liberals" who expect my contribution and provide none of their own (other than their ever important self-promotion and emotive opinionating). But I guess not, since other peoples opinions count for more than reality does. This collectivist tripe has gotten out of hand. Like I said before in one of my posts, when madmen run the world, it is not fit for anyone but the insane to live. The majority may hold court together with their nonsensical opinions, but that does not make it right. If you cannot tell right from wrong, you should not be walking the streets as a free man.
As far as I am concerned, people with those kinds of opinions can drown in their own piss, instead of demanding that I let them drag me down into it.
You believe your opinions are based upon a logical and rational thought process, using
facts. I believe my opinions are also based upon a logical and rational thought process,
also using facts. So, either we are left with both of us with valid opinions, or one of us
has their facts wrong or does not know all of the facts.
And, in this thread, I have seen
wrong "facts" (all nominations must be received by Feb 1st, which is not true), and not
knowing all of the facts (you claimed "as far as I am aware of, there is NO public policy
degree or field of education in ANY American university" as if it were fact, which is also
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. And, I believe mine is just as right as much as
you believe yours is. And, again, there are plenty of people in this world, who are deeply
involved in the global peace process and are significantly affected by how it goes, who
agree that Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for exactly the reasons the Nobel Peace
Prize Committee selected him. You may not agree, and you are entitled to that opinion.
This summary and quote from a member of the committee puts it into perspective for me:Ian,
I was in Sunny Italy when the news came out. I saw video news on RAI, the Italian TV network quoting a statement from the Vatican that said they couldn't understand why he was given the Nobel Peace Prize when he supports abortion (the view here is abortion is a violent act and not peaceful).
One of the local Catholic papers headlines in the UK said that the Vatican was pleased with the nomination.
So I guess the news is in the interpretation.
Also, from my various news sources, no one has said he deserves the prize yet. The comment was: "the prize committee can wait a year or two."
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/world/10nobel.htmlBut the committee, based in Norway, stressed that it made its decision based on
Mr. Obama’s actual efforts toward nuclear disarmament as well as American engagement
with the world relying more on diplomacy and dialogue.
“The question we have to ask is who has done the most in the previous year to enhance
peace in the world,” the Nobel committee chairman, Thorbjorn Jagland, said in Oslo after
the announcement. “And who has done more than Barack Obama?”
How ironic - from an organization that supports pedophilia - not quite a peaceful act either I suppose.I was in Sunny Italy when the news came out. I saw video news on RAI, the Italian TV network quoting a statement from the Vatican that said they couldn't understand why he was given the Nobel Peace Prize when he supports abortion (the view here is abortion is a violent act and not peaceful).
As I said, there doesn't have to be a reason, Obama supporters will believe anything given enough time to make an excuse. His cabinet is questionable at best, a number of tax evaders, a racist with communist sympathies that was wise enough to quit. Acorn that BO was an officer of. But all this can be explained away. Sure, he should get the award, 20 days or 8 months, it's still a farce. Now I just don't bother saying my grandmother was from Norway. BO was impressive in Russia, they wouldn't even shake his hand. Lack of respect, ya think? Which world leaders, Chavez and the Castro boys? The world is not impressed, they're looking for a way to capitalize.Speak for yourself, Al.
Based upon the fact that he was unanimously chose by the prize committee (something
that does not always happen), that the vast majority of world leaders that seem to care
about world peace support the nomination and award, and that the general global
atmosphere for peace and negotiation has significantly improved as a result of Obama
and his cabinet and their policies - all of which was pointed out by the Nobel committee
spokesman, I think he does deserve it.
They have been turning a "blind eye" to that problem for years and it has cost them dearly.SpyderMike
I am not a catholic personally but to suggest the Catholic church supports kiddie fiddling is total and utter bullshit and you know it. Don't make retarded comments.
PS - I know sometimes stuff gets lost in translation, particularly on the internet, and particularly sarcasm, so if you were being sarcastic then disregard my comments.
Hi Al and Mike
I am not disagreeing with you that the Catholic church handled it like a bunch of idiots. All the guilty bastards should have been openly exposed (no pun intneded) and thrown away in jail. All I am saying is that with the thousands of catholic priests around the world who never did anything wrong and who would have been deeeply ashamed of the actions of those clergy who were scumbags on the balance of things - it is ridiculous to say that the Catholic church supported the acts.
It is one thing to have no idea how to react and try sweeping things under the carpet inthe hope it all goes away, it is another thing completely to "support" something. I guess it could come down to semantics but I think the good done by the catholic church over the last 100 years far, far, far outweighs the bad. Again, i would like to stress I am most certainly not a Catholic, I just have seen in my home town all the positives inthe community that the various priests have done with the elderly, with schools etc, and I think they cop a fair bit because they are an easy target who don't go chopping your head off or having riots in major cities if you say bad stuff about it or draw cartoons.
Now if you want a religion that seems to support kiddie fiddling, what was that religion where the founder of it married a 6 year old girl? That to me would be a more worthy target of your snears.
PS - sorry for the thread drift as well.
Agreed, lets get back to the subject. My view, The Nobel prize has lost all cred.Guys,
Thanks for the clarificiations. All I said was the Italian TV posted that videotext. I think at days end, or you want to find pedofiles, you can look into most organizations that deal with kids.
But this is about BO, and winning the Nobel Peace Prize.