Was Fox News Right....

[Keith]

To show that video?

Fox News website embeds unedited Isis video showing brutal murder of Jordanian pilot | Media | The Guardian

Don't panic, there is no actual video within (thank God)

 

[Glenn M]

NO. Emphatically not.

Glenn

 

[Randy V]

NO. Emphatically not.

Glenn

X2....

While it is important for people to know that it happened and that it has been corroborated, showing things like this in public just takes us one more step to being totally desensitized to the atrocities of the world...

Then again, I am one of those people that believes that graphic violence in video games has played a role in desensitizing our children and that's one of the contributing factors to the violence we are seeing in the schools at the hands of children..
That's yet another subject...

I will be writing to Fox News on this but I seriously doubt that they will listen as they will stoop as low as they feel they need to in order to draw the sheep in...

 

[Keith]

I concur. It is an ISIS 'war aim' to generate as much publicity as possible and their videoed extreme violence is a weapon deployed to achieve exactly that. Therefore Fox News are not only guilty of making an appallingly bad decision but in my mind, they are also guilty of something far worse and should be prosecuted.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

I think they were, it was captioned that it showed extreme violence and was the burning of the Jordanian pilot by ISIS. So if one didn't want to watch such a thing one had the choice.
It served to show what extreme animals these people are and that the so called religion of peace is anything but.
It's about time we stopped being so politically correct and started fighting back, otherwise these bastard goat shaggers will take over.
No one deserves to die that way !

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

You're more upset with Fox than with what atrocity was done by some stone age barbarian assholes, amazing.

 

[Pat]

One must remember what brought the national psyche in opposition to Vietnam, it was the nightly news pictures of a young girl running from a napalm attack and a Viet Cong being executed in the street by the police, not sanitized photos of helicopters and food distributions.

What they showed was the truth. If that constitutes for some a criminal offense, we certainly have come a long way in surrendering our values. Perhaps while purposely ignoring the realities may be comforting, it will inevitably leave us prey to the tactics of the likes of Mexican drug cartels, ISIS murderers and Boko Haram rapists who seek to horrify and intimidate.

We're seeing the movie trailer highlights now, just wait until they get a nuclear weapon, or three...

 

[Keith]

Just stop twisting stuff. Fox News played straight into the hands of ISIS by playing the video. Shock horror. What, are we so fucking stupid that we can't work out in our heads that to be burned alive in a cage is not very nice! We need a by numbers video to help us understand the atrocity?

The parallel with Vietnam is non parallel and fatuous. So what did you learn from the ISIS video that you didn't already know?

There was absolutely nothing to be gained by it and much to be lost. Do you think it a coincidence that Fox News was the ONLY western media to play it?

More upset with Fox News than ISIS? Let me think about that for a moment....

Hmmm, stupid question - doesn't deserve an answer.

I do know one thing: the number of times ISIS has been mentioned by the west in response to this nonsense is exponential. Game, set, match.

That's my last mention by the way...

 

[Rick Muck- Mark IV]

I am starting to agree with David's suggestion of "Buckets O' Sunshine" for the region.

It has become apparent that ISIS is not so much a "religious" radical organization, but rather a murderous criminal operation looking to extort and rob for their "cause." That they were trying to negotiate with Jordan for the release of a pilot they had killed weeks before is further proof that they are media whores and extortionists, not religious "freedom fighters" or any other batshit tag they want us to swallow.

They operate on the mob mentality, lots of young, disaffected men who can justify their actions because they were part of a group. Think Hitler Youth

A group who has decided televised beheading is not newsworthy enough and must now immolate a caged man has no moral platform to stand on. They have turned in their humanity cards and must now be treated on the level of plague carrying rats.

These cockroaches are becoming resistant to the sprays that have been used to date, perhaps only the old fashioned squish 'em under the shoe method will work.

 

[Pat]

I guess some don't remember Vietnam and dramatic shift in public opinion with the Tet Offensive on the nightly news. What about the 1963 Children's March in Birmingham and videos of Police turning dog on kids. How about the videos of the Holocaust, Abu Grab??? Try the bombing in Northern Ireland, 9/11, Allied prisoners of war held by the Japanese, the corpses of the Kurds gassed by Saddam. If someone doesn't think powerful images affect others, then they are out of touch with history...

First Lieutenant Maaz al-Kassasbeh died tragically and thoughts and prayers for him and his family. The fact that they did this atrocity to another Muslim is significant and it will be telling as to the impact of these images on the support of ISIS.

One thing is for sure, one would be ill advised to be taken prisoner and far better to fight to the death. I also have a feeling that when/if there is a credible ground force to face them, there won't be much in the way of taking prisoners.

 

[Pat]

Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh was one of eight siblings, a devout Muslim, and recently married. As a boy he dreamed of being a pilot and after graduating from school, enrolled in flying school. “Since his childhood, he wanted to be a pilot,” one of his brothers, Jawdat, told the Associated Press. By all accounts he was good officer and fine young man. His loss is truly tragic.

He was apparently murdered well before negotiations to exchange him concluded to free the recently departed unsuccessful suicide bomber Ms. Sajida al-Rishawi.

 

[Terry Oxandale]

What I find admirable is the unified Jordanian response. Judging from the various news bits I've seen, they mean to make things "right". It seems we've lost that passion to do the same, even though we've got much more of an ability to do so than anybody else, good or bad as it may be.

 

[Doug S.]

I think that we all agree that ISIS is the scum of the earth and needs to be eradicated using whatever means justify the end. Al is right that our disgust about the action by ISIS should eclipse our disgust with the Fox News? Network for showing the video...I think we all feel that way, Al, even though that wasn't the original issue raised.

However, I'd like to bring the discussion back to the original question...was Fox News? Network justified in showing the video? One thing that I have decided about FN?N is that they do very little that is not aimed at making the current POTUS look bad...so, was there some sort of op-ed statement regarding the current administration? It would not surprise me...nor would it seem to be out of character for that organization.

In my opinion the FCC should revoke the Fox Network's broadcast license for having stepped SO far over the line between justifiable and just downright despicable.

Doug

 

[Pat]

Of course you do... I had no idea you watched FOX News though.

But they have everyone taking about it now don't they??? It's the same reason CBS televised a gun being pointed to the head of a terrorist and shot during the Tet Offensive.

If the media hadn't shown the beheadings of the two Americans Mr. Obama would have kept his distance, if they hadn't shown the purported victims of Ms. Assad's chemical warfare, he wouldn't have drawn his "red line". But here we are.

Years ago there was a book entitled “The Games People Play". It gave great insight in the manipulations people play to get power, affection, etc. One game was called “Uproar” It’s cousin was the 'How dare you!' gambit. Or in this case, "How Dare Fox News". It's purpose is to distract from the core issue and in righteous indignation score points by attacking someone or something not there or tangentially involved. Personally, I want every Muslim to see that video and ask how that act of barbarity squares with the Koran. (Hint: it doesn't)

Should CBS have shown the Tet shooting, should the networks have aired the falling of the twin towers, how about the floating corpses in the flooded streets of New Orleans following Katrina? You bet, it's the news and if you don't want to see it, get rid of your TV and buy a radio...

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

Just stop twisting stuff. Fox News played straight into the hands of ISIS by playing the video. Shock horror. What, are we so fucking stupid that we can't work out in our heads that to be burned alive in a cage is not very nice! We need a by numbers video to help us understand the atrocity?

The parallel with Vietnam is non parallel and fatuous. So what did you learn from the ISIS video that you didn't already know?

There was absolutely nothing to be gained by it and much to be lost. Do you think it a coincidence that Fox News was the ONLY western media to play it?

More upset with Fox News than ISIS? Let me think about that for a moment....

Hmmm, stupid question - doesn't deserve an answer.

I do know one thing: the number of times ISIS has been mentioned by the west in response to this nonsense is exponential. Game, set, match.

That's my last mention by the way...

You obviously don't like Fox News, why were you compelled to watch it? Were you forced or coerced?

 

[Glenn M]

You obviously don't like Fox News, why were you compelled to watch it? Were you forced or coerced?

WHAT???

At no point has he said that he has watched it.

The question was were they right to show it?

Glenn

 

[David Morton]

We're seeing the movie trailer highlights now, just wait until they get a nuclear weapon, or three...
Many a true word.
There are sixty countries involved in the American led coalition combating the IS. Our National Security Council seem toothless and our post SDSR forces have been depleted to a very low level. The question is also why should RAF pilots risk being burned alive in a cage unless everybody 'ups' their efforts as well. There is no question, IS has to be defeated and it has to be done quickly and efficiently and unless the use of Tactical Weapons is authorised, is there an alternative to sending in the troops. (boots on the ground?) and then we start another count of 'boys coming home in boxes'. Jordan will not get their heroic airman sent home in a box but he is already a hero in his own country.
I'm sorry that it will come to this and I hope that the Muslims living here in Europe will understand why the Coalition is about to nuke some of their homelands. They (the Muslims) certainly had the chance to speak up when the so called jihadists were in their midst in the mosques (here in High Wycombe is an example) and they didn't. They keep quiet and , by and large, they still do.
We have an election here in the UK about 3 months and it is interesting to see that nothing will be done until after the election. Why? Is it PC to try keep the Muslims on side? They will certainly get very angry when the fireworks start.

 

[David Morton]

Of note, there is in excess of four hundred (including seven female) jihadists from the UK now fighting with Islamic State in Syria. Every port and point of entry to the U.K. has extra armed counter terrorism officers 24 hours a day. It seems one of the favoured routes to Syria is flying via Spain then to Istanbul and from there overland to the borders. es
Their parents and friends knew but didn't say a word. Are they therefore complicit in aiding and abetting terrorism? I think the PC idiots we have in our government will wake up and smell the explosive environment they have created.

 

[David Morton]

And yes, Fox news is not available here and yes - we don't want it either.
They were certainly wrong this time.

 

[David Morton]

Lastly, who the hell is supplying the funds and arming the IS? It seems most of the IS Jihadists are well armed with Kalashnikov AK (AK-47) AKS, AKM and AKMS assault rifles.
The AK47 only has one origin and they are not made in China.
Why does Putin keep a low profile? Surely he wants us to get rid of our Tactical Nuclear Weapons to restore what he thinks is a balance of power.