Knock Out Punches!

Jim Craik

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Posted by Veek

Yes Veek, those were stupid things to say. For that reason and many more they lost the election, just as Mr Romney will loose this election. The American people rarely support folks who say stupid things.

Veek, you are implying that this tape was eddited to show Romney in a bad light. I have listned to the entire tape, it only makes it worse.

This guy has no idea who the Americal People are, has no idea how to appeal to the American People and it is quite clear than it is only the rich who he cares about.

Complain about the poor paying too little in taxes while cutting the taxes on the wealthy.

He almost pulled this rape of America off, but he got caught telling in his own words what he really things of the average American.

How he tricked millions of poor folks in Red States to back him at all is a mistery to me, but his true feelings have come out and he is done!
 
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Posted by Veek

Yes Veek, those were stupid things to say. For that reason and many more they lost the election, just as Mr Romney will loose this election. The American people rarely support folks who say stupid things.

Veek, you are implying that this tape was eddited to show Romney in a bad light. I have listned to the entire tape, it only makes it worse.

This guy has no idea who the Americal People are, has no idea how to appeal to the American People and it is quite clear than it is only the rich who he cares about.

Complain about the poor paying too little in taxes while cutting the taxes on the wealthy.

He almost pulled this rape of America off, but he got caught telling in his own words what he really things of the average American.

How he tricked millions of poor folks in Red States to back him at all is a mistery to me, but his true feelings have come out and he is done!
Jim hahaha you are doing exactly what Veek is referring to, that is don't discuss the issues of our rotten economy and all of the current administrations failures, instead look over there at that shiny thing....
 
Jim hahaha you are doing exactly what Veek is referring to, that is don't discuss the issues of our rotten economy and all of the current administrations failures, instead look over there at that shiny thing....

If there isn't a record to run on, smoke, mirrors, and distort everything. Gullible people are all that's needed.
 
Whew, with the intense focus on the edited comments from a Romney fundraiser we can avoid the unpleasantness of discussing the economy, the debt, the $16T deficit, the looming conflict between China and Japan, the collapse of the administration’s middle east policy, the nuclear progress of Iran and the fact that food, fuel and the cost of living is skyrocketing while the government answers with printing more money.

Edited or not, he loses more votes everytime his lips move. It is not a good situation when Rush Limbaugh has to come to your defense. Even Scott Brown and Linda McMahon were quick to distance themselves from Romney yesterday. Veek get off the ship while you still have time. We can register you as an independent up here in MA if you promise to have your elephant tramp stamp removed.

Just because we are not actively bombing Iran does not mean that we are letting them move ahead with their nuclear program. There have been many cyber attacks on their networks and recently some of the power grid to two plants went down after reported explosions. We all know it is very dangerous to be a scientist in Iran, those guys get knocked off all the time.

I do agree with you that our policy and actions in the Middle East are questionable. You can not stabilize that part of the world and our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan has just made things worse. Now we have forced radicals to spread out and operate in other countries. In the long run this may end up being a bigger problem than we started with in 2001. Its not just this administration though, and the desire for sound foreign policy is not going to be satisfied with a vote for Romney/Ryan.

It is unbelievable that there was not a stronger Republican nominated. How did this happen? You had over 3 years to find someone suitable and nothing. I can't wait to watch him flounder in the debates and count how many times he contradicts himself.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Veek,

Of course you want to limit the discussion to issues, your candidate just threw half the population under the bus.

It turns out the Romney not only does not care about 47% of the US population, but he actually despises them.

That makes hom the perfect candidate for selfish conservatives, but.......

Everyone else, not so much!
 
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Never mind interfering in the Middle East. I'm looking forward to seeing who gets screwed in the current China Vs Japan situation. My money's on the USA screws itself!
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
Doug, all you've said above is a studied attempt at trying to make the worst picture of Romney possible.

LB, once you again fail to give me credit for having had a change of opinion. After reading that article, I find myself giving Romney the benefit of the doubt much more often....before I read that Time magazine article about him, I had a MUCH worse view of the man. I thought you might get that when I posted this:

I recently read a magazine article about Romney in which it became apparent his success was the result of incredible dedication to his quest, mixed with a healthy dose of caution. I was impressed that despite many opportunities to invest in companies in the "gun" industry and the tobacco industry, he steadfastly refused, stating that those would be "dirty" (placed in quotes by me, b/c I may not be remembering exact word used in the article, but the intended meaning is intact, IMHO) investments and therefore he was not interested in them, regardless of the profit opportunities. He reportedly is a master at data analysis and apparently spent many extra hours arranging his data in many forms, charts, graphs, etc., to help him decide which opportunities to pursue.

I realize the man is a genius at what he did...but IMHO that does not qualify him to lead our country, nor does it seem to be a good idea to want him to be seen by the rest of the world as the person who represents the views of the majority of the population of the U.S.A. We were the laughing stock of the world when Gee-Dub was POTUS (my opinion, but shared by most of the politicially sentient people I know, and we are from TX, so you'd think we would like the buffoon, wouldn't you?), I really don't want to find out that the rest of the world views us in a similar light by electing a POTUS who expresses such indifference to the plight of the less fortunate...which would probably be a huge majority of the rest of the world's population :idea:

I still stand by the other comments I made:

All that does not make him an honorable man...

I have said frequently that "Compassion for those less fortunate than you is not a character deficit"....however, it is my sincere belief that failure to feel compassion for those less fortunate than you IS a character deficit.

Romney's recent remarks demonstrate quite clearly that he has no compassion for those less fortunate than himself...47% of the U.S. population could be without enough resources to know where their next meal would come from and Romney would not care.

He is frantically trying to spin-doctor his comments.....they DO represent his true feelings, obviously, and therefore I cannot imagine how his campaign can be successful.

Heaven help that 47% of the population if I am wrong....it is obvious that Romney has no interest in helping them :thumbsdown: .
Doug

As a country we desperately need a leader who can convince the rest of the world that we are not the greedy, sabre-rattling behemoth that the rest of the world now believes we have become. We need to focus on not only our own national "health", but also on the "health" of our presence in the rest of the world.

IMHO, Romney IS a genius in his own way, I just honestly do not believe that he can accomplish what we as a country need should he be elected as POTUS. He should continue with his endeavors in the world of business, IMHO, as it represents his best opportunity to help our country recover from this financial morass in which we find ourselves...if he could do that, he could join Bill Gates and other wealthy individuals on my list of heroes.

Sadly, it is as simple as this---IMHO, in the upcoming election, Romney is the GREATER of the two evils from whom we apparently must choose.

We desperately need a viable 3rd political party, IMHO :cry: , one who can represent the true majority of Americans, not the overzealous far left wing and not the radical right wing....just the average American families who have a dream, and believe that the dream is achievable without having to ask for a governmental handout. That's not reality right now, hasn't been since the late 1980's when I watched as the youth of this great nation began losing hope of having a better life than their parents (my daughter was born in 1984, so you can imagine how that saddens me).

Doug
 
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Pat

Supporter
Veek,

Of course you want to limit the discussion to issues, your candidate just threw half the population under the bus.

Everyone else, not so much!

Jim, who exactly is limiting discussion? How are things going under Mr. Obama's watch? Seems that we get a discussion switch whenever the matter comes up.

But OK, I’ll play. Let’s look at the “offensive Mitt Romney” secret tape. He says: (from the Mother Jones website transcription)
“…Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll (Mr. Obama) be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like. I mean, when you ask those people…we do all these polls—I find it amazing—we poll all these people, see where you stand on the polls, but 45 percent of the people will go with a Republican, and 48 or 4… (TAPE STOP)
That’s when the tape stops. But wait! There is a significant gap missing during the most controversial of Mr. Romney’s comments. What a coincidence! Imagine that incredible chance occurrence happening right at the juicy parts. Sort of like a preview for a “R” rated movie just before they would show some lurid pose by some silicone enhanced starlet.
Were the comments clarified, put in the context of votes and not presidential leadership, who knows?
-certainly not anyone on this forum.
Some minutes later the tape restarts. The context is clearly political and reflects Mr. Romney’s campaign strategy to focus on the undecided/independent block of voters versus those living on government subsidies and paying no income tax. The narrative of Mr. Romney not getting these votes also happens to be true.
Many think it was just an error by Romney, discussing the record numbers of individuals drawing primary subsistence from the government while he also noted that 47 percent of the population does not pay income tax. “I think he conflated the two figures,” says Robert Greenstein, executive director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. (I tend to agree).
So anyone not there that says they “heard the whole thing” simply isn’t telling the truth and is pandering to reactive media spin for the President. All the while, video of Mr. Obama’s statements as to his belief in wealth redistribution are neither aired by mainstream media (because they weren’t authenticated-but later were by the White House). He gets a pass-nothing to see here.
Maybe Mr. Romney immediately clarified his comments but, not fitting the narrative, those comments were edited out. We’ll never know. But it makes for a wonderful distraction on Mr. Obama’s presidential performance. One can make up their own minds. I don’t think anyone in the paddock in the current round of passionately berating Mr. Romney, his spouse or his self-made wealth planned to vote for him anyway.
Mr. Romney’s comments reflect a reality that he is unlikely to convince people that pay no takes that making up the difference by disproportionately taxing others is a job killing idea. The airwaves have been saturated with ads that wrongfully accuse Mr. Romney of ending social security, Medicare (in addition to murdering wives and pushing grannies off cliffs). It is laughable that the comments have been interpreted to mean Mr. Romney “does care about these people”, he simply isn’t pandering for their votes. He knows it is a waste of campaign resources to go for unlikely voters just as Mr. Obama has chosen to ignore the Catholic and pro-life/pro-family vote.
Who wants to limit discussion on issues like the debt, deficit, White House secret security leaks and engagement of prostitutes, disastrous middle east policy, failed energy policy, distribution of guns to drug lords, failing economy, TRILLIONS of dollars of new money being printed, massive government mismanagement and waste, fuel and food prices out of control, the dreadful joblessness and massive new layoffs in aerospace, transportation and high tech-lets not be unpleasant here with reality, let’s move on and amuse ourselves with snarky comments about Ms. Romney’s expensive horses instead? Not me.
Perhaps Mr. Obama's campaign motto should be, “Bin Laden is dead-but so is our ambassador and our economy- GM is alive but forbidden from extracting themselves from government control”.
This election comes down to two fundamental ideas.
The hard choice: if you think we need a change, there is an alternative promising reform that has to try to win a second term and is therefore motivated to actually take some responsibility and fix things.
If you believe in big government with more control of its citizens, wealth redistribution, class warfare, growing massive deficits, $4+ gas, inflation, a culture of government cronyism and dependency, the Neville Chamberlin school of international diplomacy, the SEIU and government influence by public sector unions, you have an easy choice. If you like how things are going, want more of the same, simply vote for Mr. Obama.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Veek,

It's impossable to discuss Romey and the issues. He continually changes:

Is he for abortion rights or against, I have heard both from him.

Is he for Romney care or against Romney care, I have heard both from him.

Is he for a womans right to choose or against, I have heard both from him.

Was he against saving the auto industry or was it his idea, I have heard both from him.

Is he for gays in the military or against, I have heard both from him.

Is he for legalizing gay unions or against, I have heard both from him.

Is he for mass deportation of illegal alians or against, I have heard both from him.

It goes on and on!

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Does he have anything that he really believes, or does he change his views depending on who he is talking to.

Romney could have a long discussion on the issues with himself and come away confused. No wonder everyone else is.
 
Very well done. Is she 'just some girl' or a professional comedienne?

However, you guys do realise that the world economy would have tanked regardless of who was in power these last four years don't you?

As for your foreign policy, can I say the same? I am not sure, but tend toward Yes.
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
However, you guys do realise that the world economy would have tanked regardless of who was in power these last four years don't you?

THANK YOU, Mark!

I have been constantly preaching that this is a global issue, not just an American issue, and that nobody, not even Ronnie Reagan, himself, could have resolved the issue.

IMHO it is not about to resolve itself anytime soon, either.

IMHO, again, Romney cannot resolve the unique issues we Americans have any better than can Obama--they are beyond anyone's control.

If Romney wins the election, I HOPE that all those radical conservative individuals who are so adamant that Romney is "the next coming" will hold his feet to the fire for failure to right the economy and put Americans back to work...but, I'm not holding my breath that they would hold Romney to the same standard of performance as that to which they would like the American public to hold Obama.

There WILL be excuses if that happens...just as there are now.

Our foreign policy was WAAAY further in the tank when Gee-Dub was in office than it is now....at least Obama waited until we really had "him" (Bin Laden) before he announced a victory, unlike Gee-Dub's SNAFU on that aircraft carrier in which he declared victory...now, THAT was an American moment to be proud of (NOT!!!). IMHO McCain would have made our foreign presence much worse, not better, he said as much when his platform called for a longer military engagement in Iraq.

We're all in for hard times....except those who are in the 1%....what we have to do is choose someone who doesn't want to make the hard times any worse for the majority of the Americans.

I know which one that is :thumbsup: !!!

Doug
 
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Keith

Moderator
We're all in for hard times....except those who are in the 1%....what we have to do is choose someone who doesn't want to make the hard times any worse for the majority of the Americans.

I know which one that is :thumbsup: !!!

Doug

Meryl Streep? :shrug:
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Pawlenty Is Leaving Romney Campaign for Lobbying Post

By MICHAEL D. SHEARTim Pawlenty, the former governor of Minnesota, is resigning as a national co-chairman of Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign to take a job in Washington as a top lobbyist for a group representing banks and financial companies.

The rats are leaving, the ship is sinking!

Mr Romneys campaign Co-Chairman has quit the Campaign with two months to go. Who does that? Why would a Campaign Chairman leave a Campaign with only a few weeks until the election?

Could it be he has more important things to do? More important than who is President?

Oh wait, I see, banks need another Lobbyst. Well that makes perfect sense.........not!

The worst campaigns since McCain, Palin has crashed and burned!

The Consevative talking heads have repeatedly called President Obama the worst President of all time....................

What does it say about modern conservatives if the can't even beat the worst President of all time?
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
One of the worst campaigns since McGovern has crashed and burned!

Jim, someone once said "To call the Nixon administration the most corrupt since that of Willard Filmore does one hell of a disservice to Willard Filmore" :laugh: .

Are you sure McGovern's campaign was THAT bad...worse than Romney's??? That might well be a "disservice" to McGovern :thumbsdown: !

I contributed to McGovern's campaign, was a poor college student at the time and didn't have much to give, voted for him, too.

GEEZ....what memories that brings back!

Cheers, Jim!!!

Doug

[Edit--I see you changed McGovern to McCain/Palin.....glad to see that! Of course, that "sets the bar" even lower in my eyes, as I did like McGovern...and you are right, the conservatives should be :embarassed: ]
 
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Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Yes Doug, I changed it to McCain/Palin, I think McCain would have been all right by himself, but anyone who thought Palin could be trusted in any position of authority should never be President.

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Veek,

They have released the whole tape, it does not change anything.

Mitt Romney Backtracks After Camera Captures His Insulting Comments

by: Shannon KeirnanPosted: September 20, 2012 @ 8:42 am PST


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Ouch, Mitt Romney. That wasn't well played.
Some secretly-captured videos from a $50,000 a plate dinner in Boca Raton last May shows the presidential hopeful spouting a few statements that a lot of Americans can take some serious offense to.
“Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it…”

After continuing to discuss Obama voters’ sense of “entitlement” to luxury items like food and healthcare, and lumping the 47percent of voters who are expected to vote for Obama with people who don’t pay taxes (because if the number match, then clearly the two groups are the one), he also mentions:

“And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Stephen Colbert put it best when he aired parts of the clip on his show, "The Colbert Report."

“But the liberal hounds of course went after Mitt like a poor person going after a basic need," he deadpans.

Romney was called into the hot seat to defend his statements.

“And do you worry you’ve offended this 47 percent who you mentioned?” asks an audience member.

“Well, uh, it’s not eloquently stated let me put it that what I’m speaking off the cuff... but it’s a message that I’m going to carry and continue to carry,” Romney maintains.


“Of course, it’s a message that he wants to carry. The only problem, is that calling half of America mindless moochers wasn’t said elegantly," notes Colbert.

He also requests that the persons who were responsible for secretly taping him would release the entire video, so that his response might be better understood.

And so they did: you can watch it [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge03Sys8SdA"]here,[/ame] but don't expect any miracles that were cut from the first beside a few close-up shots of plants and wine glasses.

You can watch the important sections of the taped speech, Romney’s rebuttal, and Stephen Colbert’s quippy take on it in the following videos, or read the full transcript here.
 
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Gee, so many shop worn cliches here. What I will address is the fact that if Romney gets elected, and if the economy improves the left and the MSM will say it improved because the B.O. policies that were put in place last term finally kicked in. I have no doubt of that and therefore think it irrelevant to even talk about the economy. There is no way a conservative wins in the eyes of the left.

So, going beyond that we have our very current crisis. We've pulled out of Iraq, we've announced our pullout of Afghanistan, and we've apologized for everything that the Arab world is pissed at. Obviously, that's not enough and our embassies haven't been this besieged since the Carter regime.

We see our leadership lie and bungle the "it was the movie" excuse for the Libyan mess and now admit it was probably Al-Qaeda. They are not handling our interests competently. On this alone they have proven their inability to manage realities of the real world out there. Putting an appearance on the Letterman show over meeting with Netanyahu in this time of crisis speaks volumes to where this President is coming from, no apologies, downright animosity for a faithful ally who is being threatened with the "glass bowling" mentioned by others in jest for the Arab world.



THANK YOU, Mark!

I have been constantly preaching that this is a global issue, not just an American issue, and that nobody, not even Ronnie Reagan, himself, could have resolved the issue.

IMHO it is not about to resolve itself anytime soon, either.

IMHO, again, Romney cannot resolve the unique issues we Americans have any better than can Obama--they are beyond anyone's control.

If Romney wins the election, I HOPE that all those radical conservative individuals who are so adamant that Romney is "the next coming" will hold his feet to the fire for failure to right the economy and put Americans back to work...but, I'm not holding my breath that they would hold Romney to the same standard of performance as that to which they would like the American public to hold Obama.

There WILL be excuses if that happens...just as there are now.

Our foreign policy was WAAAY further in the tank when Gee-Dub was in office than it is now....at least Obama waited until we really had "him" (Bin Laden) before he announced a victory, unlike Gee-Dub's SNAFU on that aircraft carrier in which he declared victory...now, THAT was an American moment to be proud of (NOT!!!). IMHO McCain would have made our foreign presence much worse, not better, he said as much when his platform called for a longer military engagement in Iraq.

We're all in for hard times....except those who are in the 1%....what we have to do is choose someone who doesn't want to make the hard times any worse for the majority of the Americans.

I know which one that is :thumbsup: !!!

Doug
 
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