F1 2009
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Really really HOPE Robert can try the Ferrari.
I saw him some years ago in Brisighella, a wonderful medieval town on Appennino mountains near Faenza,showing a formula 1 bmw on ordinary steets,during a too nice bmw event.
Too kindly guy, and I think one of the best driver of modern formula one.
I pray my nights not to have Fisichella around any longer:there are a lot of useful other jobs he can do.
BTW my new idols are Luca badoer and Muhammar Gheddafi....the worst of the worst..LOL.
They earn a space in rotten.com.
Ps: Schumacher was right again (stay away from 2009 ferrari..)
FYI,last week he was seen in Rovato (near Brescia) testing a 100cc race Gokart for 10 ( READ TEN) hours without any problem.
A friend of mine was also able to pass him 2 times...but u know..all those are secret items from secret location in italia
the rest of the world should not know this.Really no problems at all for his neck after those 10 hours.
I am able to drive such gokarts for maximum one hour...then I collapse.
So are you saying that maybe the health of Schumi's neck had no bearing on the decision to not race the 2009 car?
sì.
ms reason not to drive cause neck is of course just BS.
Pure ones I say...its typical from him, but he anyway saved his face from a "mythical-shitty" end carreer as Luca Badoer's one.
He felt that, and say a great lie not to be there.
I personally saw it and now I am sure 100% of it.
I could be crazy, but u know..consider me as one of the ones connected to ufo and martians.
BTW..as usual ferrari worked for the worst, and so..fisichella will be in Monza driving the red.
Ferrari, arriva Fisichella - Corriere della Sera
(in italian..ferrari is italiana so..)
I hate fisichella.
The only good thing he made in his carreer was to make schumacher able to do the greatest gp of his life, at his last GP in Brazil 2006.
Never supported so much kaiser schumy as in that race,and all because fisichella.
ms reason not to drive cause neck is of course just BS.
Pure ones I say...its typical from him, but he anyway saved his face from a "mythical-shitty" end carreer as Luca Badoer's one.
He felt that, and say a great lie not to be there.
I personally saw it and now I am sure 100% of it.
I could be crazy, but u know..consider me as one of the ones connected to ufo and martians.
BTW..as usual ferrari worked for the worst, and so..fisichella will be in Monza driving the red.
Ferrari, arriva Fisichella - Corriere della Sera
(in italian..ferrari is italiana so..
)I hate fisichella.
The only good thing he made in his carreer was to make schumacher able to do the greatest gp of his life, at his last GP in Brazil 2006.
Never supported so much kaiser schumy as in that race,and all because fisichella.
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Renault F1 have been charged by the FIA with race fixing.
Pete McCluskey.
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Representatives of the Renault Formula One team have been requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council in France later this month.
Renault have been called to answer charges that the team conspired with driver Nelson Piquet to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, with the aim of causing the deployment of the safety car to the advantage of their other driver, Fernando Alonso, who went on to win the race...
Interesting, and I worry about the unfair dismissal laws when I let someone go.
I would be very surprised if this is anything other than sour grapes from Piquet, Snr, Jnr, or both.
How would Renault engineer such a thing other than by radio transmission
which everyone can listen in on?
"O.K. Nelson we want you to crash on the next lap, and it has to be big enough to have the safety car deployed." "Don't worry about being hurt we will pick up the hospital expenses".
I don't think so!
Renault have been called to answer charges that the team conspired with driver Nelson Piquet to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, with the aim of causing the deployment of the safety car to the advantage of their other driver, Fernando Alonso, who went on to win the race...
Interesting, and I worry about the unfair dismissal laws when I let someone go.
I would be very surprised if this is anything other than sour grapes from Piquet, Snr, Jnr, or both.
How would Renault engineer such a thing other than by radio transmission
which everyone can listen in on?
"O.K. Nelson we want you to crash on the next lap, and it has to be big enough to have the safety car deployed." "Don't worry about being hurt we will pick up the hospital expenses".
I don't think so!
The greatest challenge for Renault in conspiring for Nelsinho to collide with solid circuit furniture is not getting him to do it, something he seemed to show quite a talent for, but getting him to wait long enough for it to be tactically advantageous. :laugh:
That is a very fair and incisive comment mate....
David Morton
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New and higher kerbs in Curva Rettifilio and Curva Roggia. To stop shortcuts??
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The Times also understands that the FIA’s investigators have said that claims that the team asked Nelson Piquet Jr, their former driver, to crash his car deliberately at last year’s Singapore Grand Prix do have substance.
Pat Symonds, the director of engineering at Renault, who reports to Flavio Briatore, the team principal, has been told by the sport’s governing body that if he comes clean over how and why Piquet drove his car into the barriers in Singapore, he will escape sanctions, which could include a life ban from the sport.
The development means that of the three key players in the scandal — Piquet, who first alerted the FIA about the plan; Briatore, who has denied all knowledge of it; and Symonds — only Briatore will go to the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) in Paris on Monday without being offered immunity.
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Symonds initially stonewalled when questioned in detail by FIA investigators about claims that he not only asked Piquet to crash but even went through with him where he was to effect the accident.
After refusing to answer a series of key questions, Symonds remarked at one point: “I have no intention of lying to you. I have not lied to you, but I have reserved my position just a little.”
The Times understands that the stewards who carried out investigations during the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps at the end of last month came to the conclusion that, having noted Symonds’s refusal to answer most of the questions that were put to him and having considered highly unusual telemetry data from Piquet’s car immediately before the crash, it was “reasonable, on balance” to accept that Piquet’s claims have substance.
Briatore and Renault continue to deny the allegations levelled against them. Briatore will go to the WMSC hearing trying to save a career that spans 20 years in Formula One and has included four drivers’ championships.
A full transcript of the Renault pitwall radio transmissions that took place between Symonds, Briatore, various engineers and Piquet and Alonso covering the dramatic minutes leading up to and after Piquet’s crash during the race has been seen by The Times.
Immediately after the shunt that tore off two wheels and left the Brazilian’s car crunched against the circuit’s concrete barriers, Piquet is heard to say: “Sorry, guys. I had a little outing.”
An engineer asks: “Is he all right? Is he all right?” Then Symonds is heard to say: “Ask him if he’s all right.”
The engineer then questions Piquet on the radio: “Are you OK? Are you OK?” after which Piquet, who escaped the accident without serious injury, replies: “Yeah, I hit my head in the back. I think I’m OK.”
A little later an engineer, who is believed to have known nothing of any conspiracy, reflects on what he has just seen of the crash on the television monitor. “F***ing hell that was a big shunt,” he says.
At this point, several minutes after the accident, Briatore intervenes for the first time and his reaction is to criticise Piquet, not express any concern for him. “F***ing hell . . . my every f***ing disgrace, f***ing, he’s not a driver,” he says.
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The Times also understands that the FIA’s investigators have said that claims that the team asked Nelson Piquet Jr, their former driver, to crash his car deliberately at last year’s Singapore Grand Prix do have substance.
Pat Symonds, the director of engineering at Renault, who reports to Flavio Briatore, the team principal, has been told by the sport’s governing body that if he comes clean over how and why Piquet drove his car into the barriers in Singapore, he will escape sanctions, which could include a life ban from the sport.
The development means that of the three key players in the scandal — Piquet, who first alerted the FIA about the plan; Briatore, who has denied all knowledge of it; and Symonds — only Briatore will go to the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) in Paris on Monday without being offered immunity.
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Symonds initially stonewalled when questioned in detail by FIA investigators about claims that he not only asked Piquet to crash but even went through with him where he was to effect the accident.
After refusing to answer a series of key questions, Symonds remarked at one point: “I have no intention of lying to you. I have not lied to you, but I have reserved my position just a little.”
The Times understands that the stewards who carried out investigations during the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps at the end of last month came to the conclusion that, having noted Symonds’s refusal to answer most of the questions that were put to him and having considered highly unusual telemetry data from Piquet’s car immediately before the crash, it was “reasonable, on balance” to accept that Piquet’s claims have substance.
Briatore and Renault continue to deny the allegations levelled against them. Briatore will go to the WMSC hearing trying to save a career that spans 20 years in Formula One and has included four drivers’ championships.
A full transcript of the Renault pitwall radio transmissions that took place between Symonds, Briatore, various engineers and Piquet and Alonso covering the dramatic minutes leading up to and after Piquet’s crash during the race has been seen by The Times.
Immediately after the shunt that tore off two wheels and left the Brazilian’s car crunched against the circuit’s concrete barriers, Piquet is heard to say: “Sorry, guys. I had a little outing.”
An engineer asks: “Is he all right? Is he all right?” Then Symonds is heard to say: “Ask him if he’s all right.”
The engineer then questions Piquet on the radio: “Are you OK? Are you OK?” after which Piquet, who escaped the accident without serious injury, replies: “Yeah, I hit my head in the back. I think I’m OK.”
A little later an engineer, who is believed to have known nothing of any conspiracy, reflects on what he has just seen of the crash on the television monitor. “F***ing hell that was a big shunt,” he says.
At this point, several minutes after the accident, Briatore intervenes for the first time and his reaction is to criticise Piquet, not express any concern for him. “F***ing hell . . . my every f***ing disgrace, f***ing, he’s not a driver,” he says.
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Lotus to make return to Formula One
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Motor sport's world governing body, the FIA, have granted Lotus the 13th slot on the grid from next season.
Although the team is based in Norfolk, ten miles from the Lotus Cars factory, it is funded via a partnership between the Malaysian Government and a consortium of Malaysian entrepreneurs.
The FIA said it had also received an impressive application from the BMW Sauber team, but that since BMW had announced it would withdraw support in 2010, there remained uncertainties regarding the future ownership of the team.
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The full statement said: "Following an intensive selection and due diligence process, the FIA has awarded the 13th entry in the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship to the Lotus F1 Team.
"The FIA also received an impressive application from the BMW Sauber Team. However, given that BMW has announced it will withdraw its support in 2010, there are still uncertainties regarding the future ownership of the team.
"Nevertheless, the FIA considers that BMW Sauber’s application is of high quality and would constitute a competitive participant in the Championship. As such, it has awarded BMW Sauber the '14th place' in the Championship meaning that it will be entitled to fill any vacancy that arises on the 2010 grid.
"In addition, the FIA believes that a good case can be made for expanding the grid to 14 teams. The FIA will be consulting urgently with the existing teams regarding the introduction of an appropriate rule change to expand the grid to 28 cars in time for the first Grand Prix in 2010."
Lotus will be spearheaded by team principal Tony Fernandes, who is the founder and CEO of the Malaysian-based Tune Group, owner of the Air Asia airline.
Mike Gascoyne also returns as the team's technical director, with 20 years experience in the sport after working with Jordan, Renault, Toyota, and most recently Force India.
The team will use the RTN facility in Norfolk, which was built by Toyota for its initial Formula One programme and then used by Bentley for its successful Le Mans programme. The team's future design, research and development, manufacturing and technical centre will be purpose-built at Malaysia's Sepang International Circuit.
Lotus, who used eight different engine suppliers during their previous 37-year stint in the sport, have agreed a deal with Cosworth.
The team contested 491 grands prix, winning 79 en route to seven constructors' titles, helping Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Jochen Rindt and Emerson Fittipaldi become world champions.
Lotus revolutionised the sport in 1968 by painting its car in the colours of the Gold Leaf tobacco brand. The idea soon caught on and the sport is estimated to rake in £1 billion a year from sponsors.
Lotus to make return to Formula One
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Motor sport's world governing body, the FIA, have granted Lotus the 13th slot on the grid from next season.
Although the team is based in Norfolk, ten miles from the Lotus Cars factory, it is funded via a partnership between the Malaysian Government and a consortium of Malaysian entrepreneurs.
The FIA said it had also received an impressive application from the BMW Sauber team, but that since BMW had announced it would withdraw support in 2010, there remained uncertainties regarding the future ownership of the team.
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The full statement said: "Following an intensive selection and due diligence process, the FIA has awarded the 13th entry in the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship to the Lotus F1 Team.
"The FIA also received an impressive application from the BMW Sauber Team. However, given that BMW has announced it will withdraw its support in 2010, there are still uncertainties regarding the future ownership of the team.
"Nevertheless, the FIA considers that BMW Sauber’s application is of high quality and would constitute a competitive participant in the Championship. As such, it has awarded BMW Sauber the '14th place' in the Championship meaning that it will be entitled to fill any vacancy that arises on the 2010 grid.
"In addition, the FIA believes that a good case can be made for expanding the grid to 14 teams. The FIA will be consulting urgently with the existing teams regarding the introduction of an appropriate rule change to expand the grid to 28 cars in time for the first Grand Prix in 2010."
Lotus will be spearheaded by team principal Tony Fernandes, who is the founder and CEO of the Malaysian-based Tune Group, owner of the Air Asia airline.
Mike Gascoyne also returns as the team's technical director, with 20 years experience in the sport after working with Jordan, Renault, Toyota, and most recently Force India.
The team will use the RTN facility in Norfolk, which was built by Toyota for its initial Formula One programme and then used by Bentley for its successful Le Mans programme. The team's future design, research and development, manufacturing and technical centre will be purpose-built at Malaysia's Sepang International Circuit.
Lotus, who used eight different engine suppliers during their previous 37-year stint in the sport, have agreed a deal with Cosworth.
The team contested 491 grands prix, winning 79 en route to seven constructors' titles, helping Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Jochen Rindt and Emerson Fittipaldi become world champions.
Lotus revolutionised the sport in 1968 by painting its car in the colours of the Gold Leaf tobacco brand. The idea soon caught on and the sport is estimated to rake in £1 billion a year from sponsors.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
What is really exciting is it will be a Cosworth engine. But Gascoyne ?? How long will that last ??
Re: The Symonds thing - it doesn't look good for Renault. Hell it doesn't even look good for Pat even if he has got immunity.
Don't give a stuff about Briatore though - he always did have very doubtful morals especially at Benetton (Fashions not F1 team).
Hope Alonso doesn't get caught up in the melee - he is a great talent that F1 doesn't need to lose.
As for Piquet Jnr - he is the real victim in all of this, driven on by a dominating father who also exhibited many examples of bad sportsmanship in his day (did I say cheating - it is alleged); he (Jnr) was never really up to the pressure.
Cream rises to the top on it's own - it doesn't need that kind of help.
If true, shame on them all.... Jnr could have (should have) told them to F*** Off, but I'll bet Daddy went along with it.
Don't give a stuff about Briatore though - he always did have very doubtful morals especially at Benetton (Fashions not F1 team).
Hope Alonso doesn't get caught up in the melee - he is a great talent that F1 doesn't need to lose.
As for Piquet Jnr - he is the real victim in all of this, driven on by a dominating father who also exhibited many examples of bad sportsmanship in his day (did I say cheating - it is alleged); he (Jnr) was never really up to the pressure.
Cream rises to the top on it's own - it doesn't need that kind of help.
If true, shame on them all.... Jnr could have (should have) told them to F*** Off, but I'll bet Daddy went along with it.
Oooh, about 50 laps? :laugh:
David Morton
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Just an aside - Piquet senior had two outstanding 'traits' in F1. One of them was a voracious appetite for young ladies in his motorhome in the paddock, and the second was he had to have about 10 sets of overalls and nomex as his bladder used to empty itself in the car, especially during a qualifying session. This carried on into Le Mans when he drove for Charly Lamm at Schnitzer in the company of Lehto and Soper
though I didn't specifically hear of the McLaren Long tail GTR being mopped out. The young ladies were there and Piquet was hobbling around after his Indy car smash.
It scored a DNF though when Lehto fell asleep coming onto the main straight and speared into the wall and Gordon Murray decided it was too badly damaged to attempt a repair.
though I didn't specifically hear of the McLaren Long tail GTR being mopped out. The young ladies were there and Piquet was hobbling around after his Indy car smash.
It scored a DNF though when Lehto fell asleep coming onto the main straight and speared into the wall and Gordon Murray decided it was too badly damaged to attempt a repair.
David Morton
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Renault - Allegedly the French parent company of the Renault F1 Team have offered to dismiss Flavio Briatore to appease the FIA in the ongoing Singapore Gp /Piquet Crashes/Safety car/Alonso wins saga. This is in line with the report about the Technical Director Pat Symonds reserving his comments and evidence prior to the official FIA inquiry.
It seems Renault would like to distance themselves from this saga tuit suite.
It seems Renault would like to distance themselves from this saga tuit suite.
David Morton
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Sauber BMW F1 Team has been sold to a Swiss based investment group fronting middle eastern money called QADBAK.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
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