Bin Laden dead

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Keith,

I know I sometimes protest too much!

Everything in this thread was fine, until Ron tried to say that this was really just Obama taking credit for BushII's work..............................

Well mabye we can pat Obama on the back..... if you really think it is nessesary!

Keith, If someone else called him on this I would not have to.

But to have folks try and change what really happened, to give credit where none is due, and expect me to just go along..........................ain't going to happen.
 
God I hope none of that dirty intelligence that was acquired during the Bush enhanced interrogation yrs was used in this mission.
That would almost seem hypocritical by taking credit and not giving any..
I guess we'll have to wait and see:thumbsup:
 

Ron Earp

Admin
Ron, you trying to give Bush any credit for this is absurd! You say that this was a Bush initiative and Obama just is taking credit for Bush's work is crap! Bush had eight years and did nothing!

Jim, I did not give credit to Bush. What I wrote was:

The process that brought down Bin Laden was set in place many years ago. You could say it is a Bush initiative. Or a carefully orchestrated plan under Obama's watchful eye. Neither would be one hundred percent correct.

Which means that I think neither President can solely take credit for the actions against terrorists, including the killing of OBL. It does not mean I assign credit to the killing of OBL to Bush. Or solely to Obama.

Now you can disagree with my opinion, but you cannot state that I gave credit to Bush for OBL being killed because clearly I did not write that.
 
Jeesus Jim take a pill :)
No one President gets the credit here, Obama just happened to get the opportunity to push the button, which to his credit he did. And all the hundreds of involved dedicated military and intelligence agents of the US kept him and us from getting egg on ourselves. To me this does little to raise Obama's stock, just as it would not have raised Bush stock in my eyes. The real heroes are Team Six and all the men and women that got them there and back safely.

On a side note...do we really need to be in Iraq and Afganistan, is it an effective countermeasure to terror. I guess only the insiders have a clue but looking at the balance sheet we cannot afford to keep policing the world. Our bank account is empty.

Man, son of Bush sure had the habit of saying some dumb things in public... eh?
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Ron, Rob,

I'm fully aware that I can be a pain in the ass!

But truthfully had I not posted them, would any of you have remebered the Bush quotes about Bin Laden: I don't care, it's not that important, its not a priority, I'm truly not that concerned?
 
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Ron Scarboro

GT40s Supporter
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"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

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From Wikiquote regarding quotes attributed to George Bush II...

I'm almost certain that the following quote is fake:


"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - Sept 13, 2003


I often see it attributed with this quote, which Bush also did not say


"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority" -- 3/13/02


After an exhaustive search, I can't find any official transcript that shows Bush said this. It seems to be a recycled internet quote, mainly found on anti-Bush sites or anti-Bush forums. -- 166.70.155.27 23:34, 11 Mar 2004
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I'm no Bush II fan, but there is much debate as to whether Bush actually said that or not.

Best,

Ron
 

Ron Scarboro

GT40s Supporter
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Regarding the second quote...

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

This is where it was excerpted from (don't know how to bold it, but it is in the first paragraph of his last response. Context is everything in life)...

Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we -- excuse me for a minute -- and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That's one of the things -- part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.

And we've got more work to do. See, that's the thing the American people have got to understand, that we've only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don't know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it's going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I'm not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom.
Briefing Room | The White House
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Ron, if that is true, then I will owe BushII and the folks here on the fourm a very big appology!

Let me see what I can find out!
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Ron S,

Thanks for pointing this out.

The quote I used came up in several searches I made about Bush & Bin Laden.

It certinally appears that Bush Never said the words as I posted them. It was my responsiblity to check them out before I posted them and I did not.

I Am Sorry Guys!, no excuse!

It does appear that at different times he did say those words, but not in the way or in the context that I posted them!

At best they are out of context and edited to make them seem like one statement, at worst they are lies, let me check further.

Once again SORRY GUYS! Sorry Mr Bush!
 
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Ron Earp

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Ron, if that is true, then I will owe BushII and the folks here on the fourm a very big appology!

Let me see what I can find out!

Look, Obama doesn't deserve all the credit and neither does Bush.

Take a look at the facts (WJS, NPR, WP, and even FOX) as reported to be the same by all the aforementioned news agencies:


  • Late 2002, interrogations of CIA detainees reveal the assumed name of OBL's trusted courier.
  • In 2007 the CIA finally obtained the fellows' true name and the hunt was on.
  • In 2009 briefs about the courier and trailing OBL, trail is cold. Courier wasn't yet located.
  • In August 2010 a big break, courier was followed to the compound
  • September 2010 Obama told about the intelligence
  • February of 2011 the raid was planned
The intelligence personnel did all the work and that work was started a long time ago.
 

Charlie Farley

Supporter
Jim,

Where does your trait at taking things at face value come from ??
Rather naive, IMHO.

If i was desperately after somebody's ass, i would use and disseminate disinformation.

Simple. But then again, some of us have only done civilian jobs.....
or military desk jobs at best.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
I just was waching the news, and they were playing clips of BushII talking about the search for Bin Laden.

Although he does not say what I posted in so many words. He does essentially say that Ben Laden was no longer any more important than a number of terrorist and that Bin Laden did not concern him that much.

I will try and find these tapes.
 

Ron Earp

Admin
Since when did this thread become a discussion about what Bush said?


  • What if Bush is just an idiot by announcing on network news that "We weren't concerned about Bin Laden."?

  • What if Bush was trying to mislead various terrorist organizations by announcing on network news that "We weren't concerned about Bin Laden"? CNN and other news outlets have frequently been cited as a major source of data for the terrorists.

Either way, OBL is dead. Killed by the US military working from intelligence data gathered from numerous organizations over many years.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Concise and nicely put.
Who gives a RA (rats arse) about who said what, to who(m) , and when.
The bain of many peoples lives has been extinguished for ever. Who next ?
Beware the Hydra of Lerna.....
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
It would be nice if we could just say that 10 years of hard work by Americans (Democrats and Repubicans) found this guy and resulted in his death.

Sometimes the simplest version of the "truth" is the most accurate one.
 
Well said Ron. Some conservative sites have reported that the courier's name came out because of the intensive interrogation techniques. And Rome wasn't built in a day.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Since when did this thread become a discussion about what Bush said? /QUOTE]Posted by Ron,

Ron,

Do you really not know the answer to your question?

This became a discussion about Bush when YOU gave him credit for the removal of Bin Laden! But you sort of patted Obama on the back, (sort of)!

I'll shut up now:)
 
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