Crash at Reno
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I am sort of a fair weather plane aficionado, I thought I knew enough to think that the P51 did not have a driveshaft. Interesting, for sure your dad would knowPlease, if you can give some details on what this 'driveshaft' drove and why. The plane that for sure had a driveshaft was the P39 Airacobra - mid engine fighter.
I'm certain you guys are correct. My dad died when I was 14 and, like I said, he was very reluctant to discuss his wartime experiences, even when I asked, so I'm sure my memory (what little that there is left after having survived the 60's and 70's :shocked: ) of those long-ago and far-away discussions is flawed.
Thanks for setting the record straight, fellas!
Cheers from Doug!!
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
But extremely treasured memories all the same Doug. Thanks.
Paul Thompson 'Hooligan'
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Very well said - and you don't have to be an American to appreciate it! :thumbsup:
AMEN!!!
Jim Craik
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Guys,
This air race accident is just that, a terrable accident. These things happen! Our favorite sport of auto racing has had similar trageties in the past, safety precautions were reviewed and measures taken to make things safer. Hopefully the Reno Air Races will be able to continue.
But guys, this Bill Whittle guy is using this tragedy to further his concervative agenda with little regard for the truth.
He says that "liberals" want to ban the races because they are unsafe. Just more "nanny state" control.
He said over and over that Rachael Maddow, Keith Oberman and Michael Moore have called for the banning of the races.
You will have to show me where they said that. I have made an extensive search, and found nothing of the sort.
Then this guy goes on to say that if liberals want to ban bad things, they sould ban "Big State Socalism". That would save many more lives because we all know Hitler was a socialist! This lier then shows a great big Natzi flag, sure thats right, Liberals and Natzis walking hand and hand. SHAME ON HIM AND THOSE WHO PRAISE HIM!
What a buch of CRAP, the worst kind of lies!!!!
Some folks here then have the nerve to say....."WELL SAID"?
Now we know where a certin "lonsome" person gets his incorrect history information. In case anyone is still confused........Hitler was not a "liberal" or a "socalist"! No matter what he called his Party, it was as far from Socialism as you can get!
This guy must think that we will watch his lies, nod our heads and condemn liberals because he told us they want to take away all our freedoms.
You all did not fall for his lies, did you?
This Bill Whittle is lying to you and using this horrable tragedy and lies for short term personal gain.
Shame on him and those who praise him!
This air race accident is just that, a terrable accident. These things happen! Our favorite sport of auto racing has had similar trageties in the past, safety precautions were reviewed and measures taken to make things safer. Hopefully the Reno Air Races will be able to continue.
But guys, this Bill Whittle guy is using this tragedy to further his concervative agenda with little regard for the truth.
He says that "liberals" want to ban the races because they are unsafe. Just more "nanny state" control.
He said over and over that Rachael Maddow, Keith Oberman and Michael Moore have called for the banning of the races.
You will have to show me where they said that. I have made an extensive search, and found nothing of the sort.
Then this guy goes on to say that if liberals want to ban bad things, they sould ban "Big State Socalism". That would save many more lives because we all know Hitler was a socialist! This lier then shows a great big Natzi flag, sure thats right, Liberals and Natzis walking hand and hand. SHAME ON HIM AND THOSE WHO PRAISE HIM!
What a buch of CRAP, the worst kind of lies!!!!
Some folks here then have the nerve to say....."WELL SAID"?
Now we know where a certin "lonsome" person gets his incorrect history information. In case anyone is still confused........Hitler was not a "liberal" or a "socalist"! No matter what he called his Party, it was as far from Socialism as you can get!
This guy must think that we will watch his lies, nod our heads and condemn liberals because he told us they want to take away all our freedoms.
You all did not fall for his lies, did you?
This Bill Whittle is lying to you and using this horrable tragedy and lies for short term personal gain.
Shame on him and those who praise him!
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Mr Craik, that is the most comically ignorant thing I've seen in a while. No wonder we have a guy like Obama in office. Your tragic misunderstanding of history is an affront to those who suffered and sacrificed in WW2. You can't even spell Nazi, how sad. We are doomed to repeat the past with people like you voting.
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That the Nazi's were not socialists. It was in the name of their party fer cryin' out loud. National Socialist Worker's Party. If the German Nazi party didn't embody typical socialism, maybe you can tell "us" what does?
Bill Whittle made the most calm and collected statement I have heard in a long time. He didn't single out the Nazi party, he used it as one of several examples of societies that had governments that existed with the principle that they knew what was best for it's citizens. He did not say that the people refered to specificly called for the banning of the air races. He did say the stated people and people like them liked to ban things in general that might be, in their opinion, bad for the general population. All very calm and reasoned thought. I found his comments to be right on. So my only comment might be "Jimmy Craiked corn and I don't care, your masters going away".
A tragedy that this man is trying to politicize.
How sensationalist to show the actual impact into the crowd, which was completely unnecesary given his agenda.
A plane's trim tab malfunctioned and people died. End of story.
Tragic indeed, but even more tragic is the attempt to politicize the incident. He is using the death of people for his own agenda, and that is dusgusting.
BTW, I would say exactly the same if he was advocating the banning of the races...
People died. Show some respect.
How sensationalist to show the actual impact into the crowd, which was completely unnecesary given his agenda.
A plane's trim tab malfunctioned and people died. End of story.
Tragic indeed, but even more tragic is the attempt to politicize the incident. He is using the death of people for his own agenda, and that is dusgusting.
BTW, I would say exactly the same if he was advocating the banning of the races...
People died. Show some respect.
Joe, I don't recall hearing a more patently ignorant statement than that one for a long time! If you've been reading here on the Paddock, you'll realize Jim is one of the few who has references to support his contentions. I can't possibly imagine how you could equate Jim with Obama being in office.....perhaps you'd try to explain in a more reasonable manner than this, below:
I'm old, and I have slept since then so my memory isn't what it use to be (which was NEVER very good), but IIRC I do remember mention of Jim having a college degree in history...would you like to reconsider the statement above?
Joe....I'll offer you a way to prove your point. Contact some of our British friends here on the forum, find out if their "Conservative" party really is conservative, or if they are liberal....and, no, I don't mean the political parties of 60 years ago, like the Nazi's, I mean those of this day!
Believe me, you'll end up with egg all over your face....terms don't always mean what they say literally, there are oxymorons ("jumbo shrimp") as well as idioms ("talking a mile a minute")......before you start criticizing others for their literary skills, perhaps you should look in the mirror, we can all be belittled for simple mistakes. We wouldn't want to start belittleing you for your lack of understanding of current day geopolitical issues, now, would we?
I see you have only 55 posts....we just managed to tame down the name calling around here, please attempt to limit personal attacks, such as making references to literary skills (Jim, I doubt if he's been here long enough to understand, I don't remember seeing him here before much, if at all....he sure got off to a :thumbsdown: start, though, didn't he? ).
Doug
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I usually stay out of this kind of NOISE, but a few things strike me as funny. First, reading comprehension seems to be dulled or turned off when reading a post by the opposition. And second, that freakin Whittle guy LOOKS like Hitler! At least in the pic on his banner...pencil in a little stash and walla. Hitler Jr.
In April, 1920, Hitler advocated that the party should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the German Social Democrat Party (SDP), the largest political party in Germany.
Hitler, therefore redefined socialism by placing the word 'National' before it.
Accompanied by bands of musicians and carrying swastika flags, they would parade through the streets of Munich. At the end of the march Hitler would make one of his passionate speeches that encouraged his supporters to carry out acts of violence against Jews and his left-wing political opponents.
This violence was often directed against Socialists and Communists.
Historic interview of Adolf Hitler by George Sylvester Viereck that took place in 1923, in which Hitler explains his reasoning behind the term "National Socialist".
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"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
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Oh well, another good thread gone down the crapper.
Scott,
I understand, but rightly or wrongly I felt the point was wrong and could not go unchallanged.
Some may think we get a little sensitive over hear when Nazism gets mentioned but then maybe we have reason to.
Now I really must follow a wise man's words.
"PS Stay off the forum and get some work done!!"
I understand, but rightly or wrongly I felt the point was wrong and could not go unchallanged.
Some may think we get a little sensitive over hear when Nazism gets mentioned but then maybe we have reason to.
Now I really must follow a wise man's words.
"PS Stay off the forum and get some work done!!"
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