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Jeff Young

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That's hilarious. "Do not let what has happened in the UK happen in the US." This guy is a complete nitwit. UK is still 87% white. US just over 50%. The reality is that immigration and change are inevitable. Hiding your racism and misogyny (the line about modern English women not wanting to be bothered with children took the cake - as if it were up to him) behind a scholarly delivery does not change the substance of your statements.

The world is changing. Change with it or get left behind.
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
I worry about people who immediately, play the racism and misogyny card whenever something they don't agree with is posted. C'mon Jeff you can do better than that.
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
I'm not playing any cards. I am LISTENING to a man make racist statements about all Muslims and claiming modern English women should be breeders. I call it like I see it. To not say it would be PC bs.
 

Pat

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That's hilarious. "Do not let what has happened in the UK happen in the US." This guy is a complete nitwit. UK is still 87% white. US just over 50%. The reality is that immigration and change are inevitable. Hiding your racism and misogyny (the line about modern English women not wanting to be bothered with children took the cake - as if it were up to him) behind a scholarly delivery does not change the substance of your statements.

The world is changing. Change with it or get left behind.

As long as you mention scholarship, FYI the US Census bureau differs with your demographics. Their data indicates whites constitute the majority of the U.S. population, with a total of about 245,532,000 or 77.7% of the population as of 2013. There are 62.6% Whites when Hispanics who describe themselves as "white" are taken out of the calculation. Perhaps that is what you meant by "just over". Not that it matters.

The world is changing though and as indicated by the BREXIT vote, the rise of Mr. Trump, Mr. Sanders and the most recent Rasmussen polling data that indicates only 29% of likely U.S. voters consider the country to be on the "right track", the direction of said change is apparently in some question...

As an aside, I personally don't believe name calling is particularly helpful and it's one of the reasons (along with the profanity laden rants) I don't post here much. If I want to be annoyed, I'll listen to the dulcet tones of one of Mrs. Clinton's speeches or the raving insult du jour by Mr. Trump.

I used to enjoy the Paddock for the contrasting views, education and debate, not schoolyard name calling. It actually has changed my mind on a few issues, BREXIT as a recent example.
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
YEE-HAW!!! The Director of the FBI just held a news conference in which the results of the FBI's review of Hillary Clinton's handling of emails on her private server was the topic..no charges against Hillary Clinton were recommended. This was a very thorough investigation, with the director emphasing that the investigation was conducted in a manner that would eliminate any suspicion of political influences.

This should put that issue to rest...unless the rabid Republicans won't accept the findings, which I do anticipate will happen.

Cheers to the FBI for making sure their investigation was thorough and unbiased!!!

Doug
 

PeteB

GT40s Supporter
If I intentionally sent even one classified e-mail on an unclassified system, I would, at a minimum lose my security clearance and my job. Cheers to the FBI for proving our government is fatally corrupt. :sad:
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
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Pete, did you listen to the press conference?

Cheers!

Doug
 

Pat

Supporter
YEE-HAW!!! The Director of the FBI just held a news conference in which the results of the FBI's review of Hillary Clinton's handling of emails on her private server was the topic..no charges against Hillary Clinton were recommended. This was a very thorough investigation, with the director emphasing that the investigation was conducted in a manner that would eliminate any suspicion of political influences.

This should put that issue to rest...unless the rabid Republicans won't accept the findings, which I do anticipate will happen.

Cheers to the FBI for making sure their investigation was thorough and unbiased!!!

Doug

You're right Doug, that sets the matter to rest, unless you want to talk about Mrs. Clinton's struggles to tell the truth and her competence to hold the nation's highest office.
As an aside, you failed to mention that Director Comey also stated that “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before deciding whether to bring charges.”

But then he also said, 110 emails in 52 email chains found on Clinton's server contained information that was classified at the time they were sent or received.

That contradicts Mrs. Clinton's pronouncements that nothing was classified when it hit her server, much less when she sent them. Mr. Comey also indicated it was possible that hackers aligned with foreign governments gained access to her server – and that some did hack into email accounts owned by people with whom she traded messages, giving serious question as to her judgement. But even a cursory look at look at her Libyan debacle tells that tale.

Given the active pursuit of the Fast and Furious gun running, the Black Panther voter intimidation, the IRS targeting conservative political groups, all by Mr. Obama's justice department, the Director is absolutely right. There is no way she ever would have been prosecuted ...by this administration.

So take pride in your candidate, sadly I don't have one.

But I do wonder what would have happened if a Republican had done any of the exact same things...
 

PeteB

GT40s Supporter
Yes. FBI clearly stated that she mishandled classified information. I have personally observed more than one career military officer get the opportunity to retire before they were planning to for doing much much less than Hillary did. You can spin it through your donkey colored glasses all you want, but the real truth is the law doesn't apply to the political establishment.
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
The FBI determined none of the emails were classified at the time H.C. received or sent them...but did admit that some emails were changed to classified status well after H.C. received or sent them. Considerable effort seems to have been expended to avoid any semblance of impropriety.

I always say "It's not paranoia if they are NOT out to get you". It's hard to believe that the FBI was not out to get her...it's what they do, after all.

Time to let it go...even the FBI says "no harm, no foul"...give it up, guys...or keep it up at the risk of appearing paranoid/delusional.

Cheers!!

Doug
 

Larry L.

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But I do wonder what would have happened if a Republican had done any of the exact same things...

Is there really any question? He or she would, at the very least, have been indicted. But, we all know "what the definition of 'is' is" depends on who's doing the defining (or the "interpreting")...and against whom the definition is being/will likely be applied.

Given the FACT that Billary intentionally deleted 30K-or-so emails (it isn't POSSIBLE to delete that many 'UNintentionally), intentionally burned her schedules (again, 'not possible to do that UNintentionally), intentionally had an unsecured server installed in her basement ('impossible to do that "UNintentionally"), intentionally instructed her underlings to remove "classified" markings on documents before emailing 'em to her (it's not possible to do that UNintentionally) and intentionally used her personal server to transmit/receive emails proven to be classified makes it clear an indictment was in order. And yet...somehow...mystically and magically...no recommendation for indictment was handed down.

'Amazing.

The outcome in the Comey/Clinton matter was just as contrived as both of the Roberts/Obamacare SCOTUS decisions...not to mention the SCOTUS decision on "eminent domain".

No amount of deflection/redirection/parsing/nuancing/and 'legal speak' invalidates/disproves/negates or in any way 'shoots down' the argument that the system is rigged. The Clinton "investigation"/"finding" clearly demonstrates it is.

Question: Given the FBI Director said Billary & Co's handling of classified material has been deemed "extremely careless"...why is it Billary and the gang STILL HOLD security clearances??? For that matter, HOW could Billary possibly PASS the background check demanded to get the security clearance held by anyone who would occupy the Oval Office?

My bet is she and the gang SKATE on that, too...
 

Pat

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A Republican did. Secretary Powell.

Could you provide a reference for that?

Secretary Colin Powell used a SIPRNET computer on his desk to transmit and receive classified information as is required by policy and law. Fact is that at the time of he was SecState the State Department's NIPRNET side was inadequate and inefficient so he used a private account for unclassified information not for classified traffic (unlike Mrs. Clinton). Subsequent to his time at the SecState the DoS had, at his direction, set up a better, more secure and more efficient state.gov system and it became DoS policy to use it for all official unclassified business, (a policy Mrs. Clinton clearly violated per the IG report).

In the defense of Mrs Clinton, media reported Secretary Powell received two confidential messages. Mr. Powel said he had read the two messages in question, having been made aware of claim. He indicated the messages originated with ambassadors -- one in the Philippines, the other in Europe. He said they were first circulated on unclassified State Department systems, and sent to his personal account by his assistant. They were subsequently classified as part of the review over ten years later apparently in conjunction with the inquiry into Mrs. Clinton's email classification.
"They were unclassified at the time, and they are, in my judgment, still unclassified," he said. Other than that, I have not seen any information as to any classified material relating to what Mr. Powel sent nor any evidence he warehoused classified information or maintained a private email server(s) as did Mrs. Clinton and I'd be interested in seeing some.

This is in contrast to Mrs. Clinton's over two thousand items marked as classified information as well as the three of the 113 emails containing information classified at the time were among the “several thousand” work-related messages Mrs. Clinton deleted in 2014, alleging they were strictly personal.

It's interesting to compare Director Comey's announced findings as evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government. I bet the families of the four Americans that were murdered in Benghazi might agree. It certainly speaks to her leadership.

Anyone curious is free to read 18 US Code 793: "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information and compare it to Director Comey's news conference earlier today. Like Pete, I've seen military careers destroyed for far less.

As I posted before, I never expected Mrs. Clinton to be prosecuted. I figured they would blame the faceless "little people" in the state department, a-la Fast and Furious, the IRS scandal, White House leaked secrets etc.

Finally, isn't it ironic that Director Comey stated "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences,” Comey added. “To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions". He apparently left out "unless you're a Clinton"...

You can read a text of his statement here:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/text-of-fbi-director-comeys-statement-on-clinton-emails-2016-07-05
 
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Pat

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The FBI determined none of the emails were classified at the time H.C. received or sent them...

Doug

Director Comey clearly indicated otherwise. "...seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
...But then he also said, 110 emails in 52 email chains found on Clinton's server contained information that was classified at the time they were sent or received.

I don't remember hearing that, Veek, and I was listening carefully. Hopefully the entire press conference will be available online so I can listen again.

For the most part, though, this brouhaha seems to be "...much ado about nothing!"

Cheers!!

Doug
 

Larry L.

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Director Comey stated "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences,” Comey added. “To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.

So why wasn't Billary????? Never mind the parsing and nuancing - WHY wasn't she indicted?


He apparently left out "unless you're a Clinton" (or you name whatever other member of the political/moneyed 'elite')...

'Pretty much sums up the whole picture...
 

PeteB

GT40s Supporter
Those of us who've put their lives on the line to protect our country understand the importance of protecting classified information. I guess those of us who haven't consider it much ado about nothing: politics and protecting your candidate are obviously much more important than protecting your country. We are doomed.
 

PeteB

GT40s Supporter
I don't remember hearing that, Veek, and I was listening carefully. Hopefully the entire press conference will be available online so I can listen again.

For the most part, though, this brouhaha seems to be "...much ado about nothing!"

Cheers!!

Doug

Director Comey stated in the press conference that Hillary sent 110 emails on an unclassified system containing clearly marked classified information. How is that much ado about nothing? If I did that, I guarantee I'd be going to prison.

All the computer systems in my office recently got shut down for over a week because someone accidentally sent ONE (FREEKING ONE, YES ONE) POSSIBLY classified e-mail over an unclassified system.

DID YOU GET THAT?!?!!??!?! WE DIDN'T GET A DAMN THING DONE FOR A WEEK BECAUSE SOMEONE ACCIDENTLY DID ONCE WHAT HILLARY DID 110 TIMES ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES I KNOW I'M YELLING!


 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
Those of us who've put their lives on the line to protect our country understand the importance of protecting classified information. I guess those of us who haven't consider it much ado about nothing: politics and protecting your candidate are obviously much more important than protecting your country. We are doomed.

Pete, while I could not serve in the military due to a medical issue (was declared "4F" at my pre-induction physical...IIRC) I came from a military family...my dad served in the USN and the Air Force for a total of 32 years, flew P51s and Flying Tigers against the Nazis, and was involved in establishing the protective entity we call NORAD, so I certainly do have a military "orientation".

Perhaps, since those days are long gone, it is OK for those of us who did not (or, in my case, could not) serve in the military to honor our civic responsibilities by taking part in the election of candidates who we believe will best represent our country to the rest of the world. In the absence of any information that H. C. caused irrefutable damage to our national security with what she did with that miniscule percentage of all the emails her server handled (which, according to the FBI numbered only 110), it is my personal opinion that our country's best international interests would better be served by her than a bombastic blowhard who embarrases the USA by publicly bragging about the size of his penis and insults 51% of our population (females) on a regular basis.

THAT is how I think I can honor my patriotic responsibility, plain and simple. Trump has proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that he cannot be trusted with "the codes"...and you know the codes of which I speak. He will bring the wrath of the world against the USA, plain and simple, and IMHO we are doomed if HE is elected.

Can you provide the irrefutable evidence I need to change my vote? H.C. would not get my vote if the Repubs had chosen almost ANYONE ELSE...please, if you have irrefutable proff of what I need, by all means produce it and I will gladly write in Pat Paulsen as my choice...at least he was honest enough to admit that his only qualification was that he was funnier than either of the other two candidates.

Cheers!!

Doug
 
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