F1 2010
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.....and they blaime ferrari and give penalty to us if we mafiosi mangiapizza make teamplay.
What did Vettel do today?...ahahah..
Nono...forza Ferrari per sempre in formula uno.!!
E schumy?...ahahah..we are looking at the best way to destroy a winning career done in red for many years. he made the worst to..his old team mate.
Change work schumy...time is up for u.
What did Vettel do today?...ahahah..
Nono...forza Ferrari per sempre in formula uno.!!
E schumy?...ahahah..we are looking at the best way to destroy a winning career done in red for many years. he made the worst to..his old team mate.
Change work schumy...time is up for u.
Terry Oxandale
Skinny Man
On another note, Webber did an awesome job of twisting the knife in his partner (and the team owner?). Any race in which Webber beats SV is a race much enjoyed! My recording of the post-race interview ended just as Webber was finishing up (UUUUGGG!). I wanted to hear Vettles comments on the drive-through.
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Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
autosport.com - F1 News: Schumacher gets 10-place grid penalty?
Not near enough! If someone was exiting the pits at the time we could have had a death on our hands.
Not near enough! If someone was exiting the pits at the time we could have had a death on our hands.
You could see Shui's head go over to look in the mirror and watch what Rubens was doing so what he has said is just BS. I think that Merc will not be using him next year with all the adverse publicity but the penalty is just not enough. Put Hiedfeld in the car and see how he does for a couple of races I am sure he would do better.
I have to agree with all the above comments. I was shouting at my telly when MS did that. It was soooo dangerous and people couls EASILY have died...
Barichello is a true gentleman (and intelligent). He was happy to let the racing fans decide whose fault it was, as it was so obvious anyway.
I know nice guys aren't supposed to finish first, but in a world of back stabbing arseholes in F1 (Alonso, Schumacher, Briatore etc...) it would be nice for a good guy to win occasionally.....
Oh hang on, what am I talking about... Mark Webber does it again
He IS a nice guy, and if Lewis or Jensen don't win (and I really can't see either of them nailing the championship this season), then I am 100% behind Webber, a straight honest guy.
Graham.
Barichello is a true gentleman (and intelligent). He was happy to let the racing fans decide whose fault it was, as it was so obvious anyway.
I know nice guys aren't supposed to finish first, but in a world of back stabbing arseholes in F1 (Alonso, Schumacher, Briatore etc...) it would be nice for a good guy to win occasionally.....
Oh hang on, what am I talking about... Mark Webber does it again
He IS a nice guy, and if Lewis or Jensen don't win (and I really can't see either of them nailing the championship this season), then I am 100% behind Webber, a straight honest guy.
Graham.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Of course it was Barichellos fault. Who on earth could imagine otherwise.
The Ubervixer Toss pot from Kerpen would never stoop so low.........
We used to have a guy on this website from the Newcastle area who thought
Shumacher was a god. He was a Newcastle United fan as well. Sad.
The Ubervixer Toss pot from Kerpen would never stoop so low.........
We used to have a guy on this website from the Newcastle area who thought
Shumacher was a god. He was a Newcastle United fan as well. Sad.
webber's drive was spectacular. he did get a some help from vettle, anybody know why vettle was holding up alonzo at the restart? team orders? was the team trying to gap webber to get him more time on the pit stop. if so i bet vettle is pissed at the team, since it probably cost him the win.
kind of a dumb thing to do if the team ordered that, too much chance a penalty.
i am not a fan of webber's past blocking habits myself, but i am fully behind him for this season. hope he pulls it off as i agree he seems an honest genuine guy. now if we could work on that blocking problem...
kind of ironic one of webber's way-to-late blocks this year was on none other than MS.
LOL
kind of a dumb thing to do if the team ordered that, too much chance a penalty.
i am not a fan of webber's past blocking habits myself, but i am fully behind him for this season. hope he pulls it off as i agree he seems an honest genuine guy. now if we could work on that blocking problem...
kind of ironic one of webber's way-to-late blocks this year was on none other than MS.
LOL
Pat Buckley
GT40s Supporter
I really doubt the Vettel was doing anything strategic.....I think he was just caught napping, not expecting that the SC would pull off when it did. I am surprised that Alonzo hasn't made a comment about this.
There is nothing more frustrating than the driver in front of you not keeping up with the field during a full course yellow flag.
There is nothing more frustrating than the driver in front of you not keeping up with the field during a full course yellow flag.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Vettel did not see the safety car lights were out, his engineers radio wasn't working properly and he was caught napping. His body language on the podium shows he has some growing up to do.
A great drive by Webber, very intelligent in the early part when stuck behind Fernando.
A great drive by Webber, very intelligent in the early part when stuck behind Fernando.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
The FIA is to introduce more stringent load tests on front wings at the Belgian Grand Prix later this month in an attempt to settle the flexi wing controversy that is causing increasing paddock disquiet.
Slow motion television pictures at Hungaroring appeared to prove that the Red Bull front wing end plates in particular, and to a lesser extent Ferrari's, were running closer to the ground than the 85mm specified by the regulations, generating additional downforce.
Both Martin Whitmarsh and Ross Brawn, team principals of McLaren and Mercedes respectively, have sought clarification from FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting before pursuing similar concepts.
The F1 rules dictate that when a force of 500 Newtons is applied to a front wing, it cannot deflect by more than 10mm. It is thought that the pace-setting teams may be making clever use of material so that the wings meet the requirements of the FIA tests but then deflect at a greater rate when more force is applied.
Williams co-owner Patrick Head said: "What's difficult is that we've got a conventional structure with a linear load deflection - if 500 Newtons deflects our wing 9mm, then 1000 Newtons will deflect it 18mm. When you see our wing on the track it looks level at high speed but the Red Bull wing is pulling down a long way.
"You can only assume that it has some characteristic which above the 500 Newton limit is non-linear. There are ways and means of doing it, so if the FIA is saying that as far as they're concerned it's okay, then we've all got to get on and do it..."
The rules, however, permit the FIA to change the load tests if it believes that what is being done is getting around the spirit of the regulations. It is understood that at Spa, the load test will be doubled in order to test whether the deflection remains linear.
Whitmarsh claimed that every millimetre of endplate lowering equates roughly to a single point of downforce, so an inch's lowering could give a full second's advantage.
Asked what he thought his front wing design was worth in terms of lap time, Hungary winner Mark Webber joked: "Oh, at least a second, probably two..." He went on to express displeasure that other teams, under pressure to perform, were pointing fingers at a car that the Red Bull team "has broken its balls" to build and is constantly meeting the requirements of the regulations. "Whether it's ride height devices, wings, whatever, it's always something," he claimed.
Slow motion television pictures at Hungaroring appeared to prove that the Red Bull front wing end plates in particular, and to a lesser extent Ferrari's, were running closer to the ground than the 85mm specified by the regulations, generating additional downforce.
Both Martin Whitmarsh and Ross Brawn, team principals of McLaren and Mercedes respectively, have sought clarification from FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting before pursuing similar concepts.
The F1 rules dictate that when a force of 500 Newtons is applied to a front wing, it cannot deflect by more than 10mm. It is thought that the pace-setting teams may be making clever use of material so that the wings meet the requirements of the FIA tests but then deflect at a greater rate when more force is applied.
Williams co-owner Patrick Head said: "What's difficult is that we've got a conventional structure with a linear load deflection - if 500 Newtons deflects our wing 9mm, then 1000 Newtons will deflect it 18mm. When you see our wing on the track it looks level at high speed but the Red Bull wing is pulling down a long way.
"You can only assume that it has some characteristic which above the 500 Newton limit is non-linear. There are ways and means of doing it, so if the FIA is saying that as far as they're concerned it's okay, then we've all got to get on and do it..."
The rules, however, permit the FIA to change the load tests if it believes that what is being done is getting around the spirit of the regulations. It is understood that at Spa, the load test will be doubled in order to test whether the deflection remains linear.
Whitmarsh claimed that every millimetre of endplate lowering equates roughly to a single point of downforce, so an inch's lowering could give a full second's advantage.
Asked what he thought his front wing design was worth in terms of lap time, Hungary winner Mark Webber joked: "Oh, at least a second, probably two..." He went on to express displeasure that other teams, under pressure to perform, were pointing fingers at a car that the Red Bull team "has broken its balls" to build and is constantly meeting the requirements of the regulations. "Whether it's ride height devices, wings, whatever, it's always something," he claimed.
Pat Buckley
GT40s Supporter
Interesting too are the low top speeds that the Red Bulls are only able to attain....
The deflection of the front wing on the Red Bulls and Ferrari's is quite obvious for all to see. However, If they have engineered it to perform to meet the rules, then it is hard to complain.
Remember last year when Brawn used the double diffuser to great effect. Once again, it was within the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law, which, in such a high stakes game, is all the teams care about.
Graham.
Remember last year when Brawn used the double diffuser to great effect. Once again, it was within the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law, which, in such a high stakes game, is all the teams care about.
Graham.
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Michael Schumacher has said he is "sorry" if Rubens Barrichello felt he had been put in danger by his blocking manoeuvre at the Hungarian Grand Prix. <o
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The Mercedes driver will be penalised 10 grid places at the next grand prix after he pushed his former team-mate within centimetres of a concrete wall. <o></o>
Schumacher wrote on his website: "The manoeuvre against him was too hard. <o></o>
"I didn't want to endanger him with my manoeuvre. If he had this feeling I am sorry, this was not my intention." <o></o>
Williams driver Barrichello called the move the most dangerous in his long career and said the German should have been black-flagged for dangerous driving. <o></o>
The seven-time world champion initially denied he was at fault. However, on reflection Schumacher admitted to making a mistake.<o></o>
"Immediately after the race yesterday I was still in the heat of it all, but after I looked again at the situation with Rubens I have to say that the stewards were correct with their judgement," he added. <o></o>
The incident occurred when the pair were battling for the final point-scoring 10th place and Schumacher ran wide coming into the pit straight. <o></o>
Barrichello moved to pass his former Ferrari team-mate on the inside but Schumacher moved across forcing the Brazilian close to the pit wall. <o></o>
An accident was only averted when the wall ended and Barrichello was able to pass into Turn One. <o></o>
Schumacher, 41, was given a 10-place grid penalty for the forthcoming Belgian Grand Prix.<o></o>
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Steward and former Formula 1 driver Derek Warwick said that disqualification would have been an option during the race if Schumacher had made the move earlier. <o></o>
Warwick, who spent 12 years as an F1 driver, told BBC Radio 5 live: "I believe that we had three laps to disqualify him and throwing a black flag would have shown a better sign to our young drivers that we will not tolerate that kind of driving." <o></o>
But he added: "By the time we got the video evidence and so forth, we ran out of time and the end of the Grand Prix was there so we had to do it retrospectively." <o></o>
The incident has sparked widespread condemnation, with BBC F1 pundit Eddie Jordan describing it as "horrific". <o></o>
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Jordan told BBC Radio 5 live: "Not only did he [Barrichello] just miss the wall, he [Schumacher] pushed him right across the pit-lane exit. You can see the white lane you are not supposed to go across and then he [Schumacher] pushed across on to the guard rail on the other side. <o></o>
"His legacy is damaged as a result of this, in my opinion.”<o></o>
"Yes, there is a sense of frustration that the car is not quick enough and he is getting absolutely rammed by his team-mate, young Nico Rosberg." <o></o>
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Veteran BBC commentator Murray Walker agreed with Jordan's assessment. <o></o>
"I am a massive Schumacher fan but I have to say he's gone down a bit in my estimation; his aggressive tactics have been over the top too often," he said. <o></o>
"Australia '94, Jerez '97 and now Hungary in 2010 are just three examples which all exposed a flaw in his character and he more than deserved his 10-place grid penalty for Spa. <o></o>
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"I have to say the one in Hungary was the worst I have ever seen because if it had gone wrong Rubens Barrichello could have been very seriously hurt, maybe even killed, and the same thing applies to a lot of people in the pit lane. <o></o>
"I just think he went a step too far and I sincerely hope that the rapping on the knuckles that he has had will stop him doing it again. But I doubt it." <o></o>
Schumacher returned to Formula 1 this season after three years in retirement but has been well off the pace in the drivers' championship.<o></o>
The former Ferrari driver is sitting in ninth position, 123 points behind leader Mark Webber of Red Bull. <o></o>
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Team-mate and compatriot Rosberg, 16 years Schumacher's junior, is in seventh position but boasts a far superior points tally having notched 94 for the season so far. <o></o>
The Hungaroring incident was the second time Schumacher has been penalised by the stewards this season following a 20-second time penalty for overtaking Ferrari's Fernando Alonso at the final corner at the Monaco Grand Prix. <o></o>
Schumacher passed the Spaniard's Ferrari going into Rascasse and out of Anthony Noghes after a safety car had moved into the pits on the final lap to claim sixth place, but stewards said the move breached the rules. <o></o>
However, despite his indifferent season, Schumacher insisted he will be driving for Mercedes next season in search of an unprecedented eighth world championship.<o></o>
></o>The Mercedes driver will be penalised 10 grid places at the next grand prix after he pushed his former team-mate within centimetres of a concrete wall. <o
></o>Schumacher wrote on his website: "The manoeuvre against him was too hard. <o
></o>"I didn't want to endanger him with my manoeuvre. If he had this feeling I am sorry, this was not my intention." <o
></o>Williams driver Barrichello called the move the most dangerous in his long career and said the German should have been black-flagged for dangerous driving. <o
></o>The seven-time world champion initially denied he was at fault. However, on reflection Schumacher admitted to making a mistake.<o
></o>"Immediately after the race yesterday I was still in the heat of it all, but after I looked again at the situation with Rubens I have to say that the stewards were correct with their judgement," he added. <o
></o>The incident occurred when the pair were battling for the final point-scoring 10th place and Schumacher ran wide coming into the pit straight. <o
></o>Barrichello moved to pass his former Ferrari team-mate on the inside but Schumacher moved across forcing the Brazilian close to the pit wall. <o
></o>An accident was only averted when the wall ended and Barrichello was able to pass into Turn One. <o
></o>Schumacher, 41, was given a 10-place grid penalty for the forthcoming Belgian Grand Prix.<o
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> </o>Steward and former Formula 1 driver Derek Warwick said that disqualification would have been an option during the race if Schumacher had made the move earlier. <o
></o>Warwick, who spent 12 years as an F1 driver, told BBC Radio 5 live: "I believe that we had three laps to disqualify him and throwing a black flag would have shown a better sign to our young drivers that we will not tolerate that kind of driving." <o
></o>But he added: "By the time we got the video evidence and so forth, we ran out of time and the end of the Grand Prix was there so we had to do it retrospectively." <o
></o>The incident has sparked widespread condemnation, with BBC F1 pundit Eddie Jordan describing it as "horrific". <o
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> </o>Jordan told BBC Radio 5 live: "Not only did he [Barrichello] just miss the wall, he [Schumacher] pushed him right across the pit-lane exit. You can see the white lane you are not supposed to go across and then he [Schumacher] pushed across on to the guard rail on the other side. <o
></o>"His legacy is damaged as a result of this, in my opinion.”<o
></o>"Yes, there is a sense of frustration that the car is not quick enough and he is getting absolutely rammed by his team-mate, young Nico Rosberg." <o
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> </o>Veteran BBC commentator Murray Walker agreed with Jordan's assessment. <o
></o>"I am a massive Schumacher fan but I have to say he's gone down a bit in my estimation; his aggressive tactics have been over the top too often," he said. <o
></o>"Australia '94, Jerez '97 and now Hungary in 2010 are just three examples which all exposed a flaw in his character and he more than deserved his 10-place grid penalty for Spa. <o
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> </o>"I have to say the one in Hungary was the worst I have ever seen because if it had gone wrong Rubens Barrichello could have been very seriously hurt, maybe even killed, and the same thing applies to a lot of people in the pit lane. <o
></o>"I just think he went a step too far and I sincerely hope that the rapping on the knuckles that he has had will stop him doing it again. But I doubt it." <o
></o>Schumacher returned to Formula 1 this season after three years in retirement but has been well off the pace in the drivers' championship.<o
></o>The former Ferrari driver is sitting in ninth position, 123 points behind leader Mark Webber of Red Bull. <o
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> </o>Team-mate and compatriot Rosberg, 16 years Schumacher's junior, is in seventh position but boasts a far superior points tally having notched 94 for the season so far. <o
></o>The Hungaroring incident was the second time Schumacher has been penalised by the stewards this season following a 20-second time penalty for overtaking Ferrari's Fernando Alonso at the final corner at the Monaco Grand Prix. <o
></o>Schumacher passed the Spaniard's Ferrari going into Rascasse and out of Anthony Noghes after a safety car had moved into the pits on the final lap to claim sixth place, but stewards said the move breached the rules. <o
></o>However, despite his indifferent season, Schumacher insisted he will be driving for Mercedes next season in search of an unprecedented eighth world championship.<o
></o>Load test on front wings to be doubled in weight from Spa onwards. If it is a clever device on the RB's designed to flex under downforce, it will fail the new test. (The slowmo cameras from Hungary clearly show the very large downward deflection of the wing, with the endplates touching the track creating a kind of ground effect given the sheer length of the end fences - a movement which is supposed to be illegal but clearly the static load test does not replicate the actual amount of downforce they are getting) The front wing is crucial for the cars performance especially in the turns, so that should be an interesting scenario, but they do have 3 weeks to get it sorted.
Webber is not happy about the new test parameters though, he said he was fed up with other teams "always" complaining about everything that goes on the RB's, which is a strange remark for him to make in light of his championship leading position. Do you think he knows that RB's advantage may well be wiped out?
It's not like him to whinge at all. :huh:
Webber is not happy about the new test parameters though, he said he was fed up with other teams "always" complaining about everything that goes on the RB's, which is a strange remark for him to make in light of his championship leading position. Do you think he knows that RB's advantage may well be wiped out?
It's not like him to whinge at all. :huh:
Tess/Keith, how may screen names do you have??
I got a laugh out of Helio getting penalized for the non block of his teammate at the restart of the IndyCar race this weekend. STOOPID call by the officials. If he had done what MS had done to Ruebens I suspect they would have drug him out of the car and shot him on the spot.
Goofy.
I got a laugh out of Helio getting penalized for the non block of his teammate at the restart of the IndyCar race this weekend. STOOPID call by the officials. If he had done what MS had done to Ruebens I suspect they would have drug him out of the car and shot him on the spot.
Goofy.
Pat Buckley
GT40s Supporter
Apparently the rules against blocking in Indycar are very explicit and were agreed to by the drivers.....
Helio was absolutely guilty of blocking according to those rules.
The rule states that it is considered blocking when you drive your car toward the inside of the turn in the braking area.
Seems a little harsh to me.
Part of the anger about this call was that the teams are saying that they want more consistency in calling the penalty.
Helio was absolutely guilty of blocking according to those rules.
The rule states that it is considered blocking when you drive your car toward the inside of the turn in the braking area.
Seems a little harsh to me.
Part of the anger about this call was that the teams are saying that they want more consistency in calling the penalty.
Terry Oxandale
Skinny Man
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com... said he is "sorry" if Rubens Barrichello felt he had been .... <o
How often do we hear this kind of masculine bovine feces!!! If you did something wrong then be sorry for taking that action...period. Don't qualify it based on the plaintif's perception or feeling. Jeez, this kind of statement is all you hear anymore from those that do stupid things. Does this mean he is not sorry if Rubens did not feel he been put in danger. Subjective appologies are no better in my mind than adding a "but" in the middle of a statement...it nullifies everything you said up to that point.
Okay...I'm sorry, back to the main thread (l really like(d) MS, but I hate to see him squander his popularity on this kind of melarky)
