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Great words, Larry! The only thing I might add is that it has been the politicians who were at each others' throats, we voters just had to sit back and watch the fiasco. Our country is divided as I have not seen since the Vietnam War...I sincerely hope Trump can bring us back together again.
Everyone I talk to is...for lack of a better word...flabbergasted. Nobody predicted this. Congratulations to the right wing for having gotten out their voters, the left will have to live with their failure to do so for at least the next 4 years. It is a lesson I suspect they will not quickly forget.
Now it's time to hold Trump's feet to the fire if he fails to carry through on his promises, and time to rally round our leader if he does live up to his promises. He deserves a fair chance, no less; and I, for one, intend to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I'll say it again, though...we really OUGHT to elect our POTUS based on popular vote. The last numbers I saw indicated that HC had a higher total vote count than Trump, but the Electoral College results do not reflect that. We have the technology, no need to continue a process that has not been necessary for decades. I've been reminded we're a Republic, not a democracy. Perhaps...but, I think most of us believe in the concept of the most public votes determining the winner.
Cheers!
Doug
I disagree there, Doug. There has been plenty of friction amongst ordinary citizens on the two opposing sides as well. Many friendships and family relationships have become casualties of the political war raging over the past 8 years. (This thread itself clearly illustrates the validity of the former.)
Again I have to disagree. The 'College was put in place to ensure a few heavily populated states couldn't run roughshod over all the other states in the union with lesser populations. Each state is in fact a separate 'nation', if you will...joined together to act as one. (Perhaps you might choose to revisit Article Two, Section One of the U.S. Constitution regarding that.) As you've mentioned, the U.S. is a r-e-p-u-b-l-i-c...not a strict 'majority rules' democracy.
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Yeah...lost the best friend I ever had when BO was first elected. He became an angry, grumpy old man, miserable to be around. When I mentioned I wanted the "...old Mike" back his response was "The old Mike will return when the battle with this administration is over."
I have neither spoken to nor seen him since that day.
Doug
While not a "strict majority rules" democracy, Congressional apportionment does and will affect the future of the Electoral College. In the last Congressional apportionment based on the 2010 Census, the East, Midwest and Rust Belt lost Congressional representatives, while the West, Southeast and Southwest gained additional seats. It'll be interesting to see the results and demographic changes of the next Census in 2020.
A little ironic that Donald Trump back in 2012 said "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Pretty much sums up how I feel....
I couldn't find a vid of an old guy doing cartwheels across his living room...
Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs. Sanity & Reason in the Paddock. Add that to your list Malcolm & and don't forget the Scottish Referendum - that result surely rates as a 100 - 1 outsider too.
Actually, I forecast all of these events completely accurately, except the Paddock, so I lost it all. :veryangry:
Having said all that, I am quite relieved it's all over.
Now. I have a question.
In the UK, several, er, left leaning individuals connected with the entertainment industry (and others) have been expressing their shock, horror and consternation with the outcome of the US election. One warbler in particular who I don't particularly care for, a multi millionairess by the name of Lily Allen (that's kind of ironic right there - champion of the poor living in luxury!) started a Tweet with the hashtag "therevolutionstartshere" on hearing of the Trump victory. She was only one of many with the same theme.
Now here's my question. Why is it that people of the left persuasion when faced with a popular majority vote they don't agree with, call for the vote to be overturned, deemed illegal, call for revolution or active dissent presumably until they get a result they agree with? Whilst the rest of us mortals, might shrug our shoulders and just philosophically say "next time".
I had the same experience following the EU referendum. According to my socialist chums (with whom I have absolutely no issue) I have suddenly turned into a racist, a bigot, a working class traitor etc etc. I told them I was very grateful for the information as I had no idea who I was before I voted. Truthfully, I voted out of the EU for the very basic reason that I did not want to be swallowed up by a Socialist Utopia without representation, and I wanted our governance to be accountable, none of which we have right now. Sure I think we should control our borders but that doesn't mean I don't welcome immigration and diversity as long as it is homogeneous.
So, is this a new trait of the left? To dissociate themselves with the democratic process? Or is it happening across the whole political spectrum? Is "democracy" or at least the philosophy behind it, dead or dying to be replaced by what?
I am fearful that this is indeed the beginning of the end of the democratic process. Tell me I'm wrong please.
Actually, I forecast all of these events completely accurately, except the Paddock, so I lost it all. :veryangry:
Having said all that, I am quite relieved it's all over.
Now. I have a question.
In the UK, several, er, left leaning individuals connected with the entertainment industry (and others) have been expressing their shock, horror and consternation with the outcome of the US election. One warbler in particular who I don't particularly care for, a multi millionairess by the name of Lily Allen (that's kind of ironic right there - champion of the poor living in luxury!) started a Tweet with the hashtag "therevolutionstartshere" on hearing of the Trump victory. She was only one of many with the same theme.
Now here's my question. Why is it that people of the left persuasion when faced with a popular majority vote they don't agree with, call for the vote to be overturned, deemed illegal, call for revolution or active dissent presumably until they get a result they agree with? Whilst the rest of us mortals, might shrug our shoulders and just philosophically say "next time".
I had the same experience following the EU referendum. According to my socialist chums (with whom I have absolutely no issue) I have suddenly turned into a racist, a bigot, a working class traitor etc etc. I told them I was very grateful for the information as I had no idea who I was before I voted. Truthfully, I voted out of the EU for the very basic reason that I did not want to be swallowed up by a Socialist Utopia without representation, and I wanted our governance to be accountable, none of which we have right now. Sure I think we should control our borders but that doesn't mean I don't welcome immigration and diversity as long as it is homogeneous.
So, is this a new trait of the left? To dissociate themselves with the democratic process? Or is it happening across the whole political spectrum? Is "democracy" or at least the philosophy behind it, dead or dying to be replaced by what?
I am fearful that this is indeed the beginning of the end of the democratic process. Tell me I'm wrong please.
As was mentioned before, we have a r-e-p-u-b-l-i-c...not a democracy. The law rules...not the "majority". That's why, when "the majority" passes an unconstitutional law, the judicial branch shoots it down in flames...at least that's what's supposed to happen anyway...:sad:
No. It's been their 'M.O.' for decades no matter what the issue...at least here in the 'States.
It's all spelled out in faaaar lefty Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".
Ya, I didn't write that. Our President-elect did.
yep... I also wonder if he still think the election is "rigged"
Last night was interesting. Will see where it goes from here
I think my post #356 was somewhat prescient. The rural areas of this country gave a big finger to the Washington elite. The last President not educated at Harvard or Yale was Ronald Reagan. Hillary (Yale lawyer) represented what everyone in the country despises about the establishment. To many people, especially those in rural areas or not college educated, she represented the arrogant elite that try to shove their will down peoples throat. While performing the act, they feel justified in doing so because they're better educated, know better, are enlightened etc etc etc. Americans have a strong independent streak and many don't like being told what do do, especially by an outsider who thinks he's better/smarter etc. Watching the media's jaws drop and try to explain the results was almost entertaining. They understood that a segment of the population didn't like Hillary but they clearly didn't understand why. At times, while continually referencing to the voting block as non college educated white males it was clear they don't know who these people are and presume them to be ignorant, bigoted, small-town stupid etc. In reality, the media's bubble of New York City and Washington DC has resulted in a complete disconnect with the average American that rivals most politicians disconnect.
And for the record, I didn't vote for Trump...
And for the record, I didn't vote for Trump...
yep... I also wonder if he still think the election is "rigged"
Last night was interesting. Will see where it goes from here
Well, for quite a few of our citizens seeking another alternative, the Canadian Immigration website crashed. And it's still down.
Jeff Young
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Keith, why do you think the "screw the system" stuff only comes from the left?
Go up in this thread and you'll see both Randy and Grady stating that they would refuse to accept HIllary Clinton as President, and Grady basically threatening armed revolt.
It's both sides. Some of both sides can win, and lose, graciously. Some can't.
Go up in this thread and you'll see both Randy and Grady stating that they would refuse to accept HIllary Clinton as President, and Grady basically threatening armed revolt.
It's both sides. Some of both sides can win, and lose, graciously. Some can't.
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Certainly true to a large degree.
Another truth is that a large portion of that group of voters -- both college educated and non-college educated -- simply lack the tools to separate BS from facts. This election is the ultimate proof of that. Something like 80% of what came from President elect Trump was false in some why. And his supporters ate it up.
President Obama was on with Bill Maher the other night and said something that is completely correct. Maher basically indicated the media couldn't be trusted with reporting th enews anymore. Too much profit motive and bias. Obama was visibly uncomfortable with that, noting that the solution cannot be (and I fully agree) a state run media.
At the same time, the President made it very clear and he is 100% right that if we can't agree on basic facts, we'll never reach consensus and decision. There simply cannot be right wing and left wing facts. And right now, that's where we are.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Agreed Larry, but I think the Trump supporters can have a minor gloat, they have been labelled for a long time as uneducated, homophobic, red necked, mysogynistic, grumpy old white guys, and deplorable. So go ahead gloat a bit.
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Many of them are. I wouldn't gloat over that. At all.
Trump's Vice President pushed for legislation seeking to JAIL gay and lesbian couples who sought to marry. He tried to force women to undergo an ultrasound before having an abortion.
Trump clearly objectifies and devalues women and thinks his fame entitles him to sexual assault.
I'm willing to wipe the slate clean and start fresh with President Trump, but gloating? Not sure there is much to gloat for. A minority of the American voting public (Clinton actually received more votes) produced an Electoral College victory for President Trump in a year of overall lower turnout (Clinton, the popular vote winner, will receive fewer votes than Romney, the loser, did in 2012).
If Trump overstates his victory (less than half of Americans who voted voted for him, and more voted for Clinton), his presidency is off on the wrong foot to start with.
Trump's Vice President pushed for legislation seeking to JAIL gay and lesbian couples who sought to marry. He tried to force women to undergo an ultrasound before having an abortion.
Trump clearly objectifies and devalues women and thinks his fame entitles him to sexual assault.
I'm willing to wipe the slate clean and start fresh with President Trump, but gloating? Not sure there is much to gloat for. A minority of the American voting public (Clinton actually received more votes) produced an Electoral College victory for President Trump in a year of overall lower turnout (Clinton, the popular vote winner, will receive fewer votes than Romney, the loser, did in 2012).
If Trump overstates his victory (less than half of Americans who voted voted for him, and more voted for Clinton), his presidency is off on the wrong foot to start with.
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