GT40s.com Paddock Politics Thread

[TimB]

The only change I would personally be onboard with would be proportional distribution of electors rather than the winnner takes all like California and in fact that is what some states do to ensure all districts are represented fairly.

What is the difference between the winner-takes-all rule and proportional voting, and which states follow which rule?

The District of Columbia and 48 states have a winner-takes-all rule for the Electoral College. In these States, whichever candidate receives a majority of the popular vote, or a plurality of the popular vote (less than 50 percent but more than any other candidate), takes all of the state’s Electoral votes.

Only two states, Nebraska and Maine, do not follow the winner-takes-all rule. In those states, there could be a split of Electoral votes among candidates through the state’s system for proportional allocation of votes. For example, Maine has four Electoral votes and two Congressional districts. It awards one Electoral vote per Congressional district and two by the state-wide, “at-large” vote. It is possible for Candidate A to win the first district and receive one Electoral vote, Candidate B to win the second district and receive one Electoral vote, and Candidate C, who finished a close second in both the first and second districts, to win the two at-large Electoral votes. Although this is a possible scenario, it has not actually happened.

 

[Ian Anderson]

One man one vote per dollar paid in income tax the last fiscal year.

He who pays the piper calls the tune!

that would appear fair!

 

[Rod]

One man one vote per dollar paid in income tax the last fiscal year.

He who pays the piper calls the tune!

that would appear fair!

So, you're saying that the poor and rich people who have great tax accountants don't get votes?

 

[Jack]

YAWN......

 

[Jac Mac]

YAWN......

Im way past the yawn stage...

 

[Steve]

:dead:

 

[Ian Anderson]

So, you're saying that the poor and rich people who have great tax accountants don't get votes?

Sounds fair to me!

Pay into the system to get access to it!

But yes yawn time big circles getting nowhere

Nothing will change

 

[Larry L.]

We have 3 equal branches of government. That's the difference. The President doesn't "rule."

We prefer our 3 separate-but-equal branches of gov't...

"Rule" is just a figure of speech...

...state lines shouldn't matter when electing a President.

The difference being: The president will 'rule' ('govern' for those who prefer that term) over all of the separate, individual states (not individual voters) collectively...or separate, individual nations collectively, if you will. Each of those individual states (not individual voters) has its own specific interests/histories/economic base/laws/cultural makeup/customs, blah, blah, blah. So whereas a state, county, or city election deals with and affects ONLY those who reside in those particular jurisdictions - a presidential race will have an affect on everybody residing in every individual state in the country.

So, as has been mentioned ad nauseam, the 'College was set up to try to give each individual state (not individual voter) (and by extension that state's interests) as equal a say in the outcome of a presidential race as possible since the individual states (not individual voters) are what make up the United States (not united voters) as a whole. (We can beat the minutia to death regarding what led up to its final form...but, in the end that doesn't change its (the E.C.'s) purpose.) Like you said, individual VOTERS can and DO move here and there on a whim...but, the borders of each individual state, and each individual state government, and the specific interests OF each state (not each individual voter) always stay right where they are...

Hopefully, rehashing with 'highlights' clarified things a bit.

If not, c'est la vie ...

 

[Rod]

Again, there aren't 13 colonies any more. It's not 1787 and no one legally owns slaves and we don't wear white wigs.

We move. We're multi-cultural. We don't own slaves. We don't wear white wigs. We have phones, Internet, computers, lights, etc. It's not 1790.

If not, c'est la vie.

 

[Larry L.]

We move. We're multi-cultural. We don't own slaves. We don't wear white wigs. We have phones, Internet, computers, lights, etc. It's not 1790.

...any or all of which, taken either individually or collectively, provide no justification whatsoever for changing or abolishing the 'College. They neither negate or invalidate the original purpose/function The Founders designed the E.C. to fulfill. Down the road, a conservative SCOTUS will confirm that.

 

[Rod]

...any or all of which, taken either individually or collectively, provide no justification whatsoever for changing or abolishing the 'College. They neither negate or invalidate the original purpose/function The Founders designed the E.C. to fulfill. Down the road, a conservative SCOTUS will confirm that.

We're a completely different society always moving around. One person one vote.

BTW, none of what you say persuades me to think that the antiquated system needs to be tossed in the dumpster fire.

And with the nomination of a new CA AG, we here in CA will be battling the S out that conservative court. :laugh:

 

[Larry L.]

And with the nomination of a new CA AG, we here in CA will be battling the S out that conservative court. :laugh:

Kiss your federal funds g'bye then...for starters.

 

[Rod]

Kiss your federal funds g'bye then...for starters.

Ya, that's likely to happen. Yep, lets piss off or even disrupt the 6th largest economy in the world, the producer of a significant portion of the country's produce, fruits, vegetables, wine, etc. and the center of tech universe (Facebook, Google, Oracle, Intel, Apple, etc.).

No Federal funds? Sure. Kiss your wine, fruits, nuts, vegetables and iPhones g'bye then. That whole #Calexit thing would take off in a big way.

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

With California's debt and unfunded liabilities they would fall in the ocean with debt weight. Have at it.

 

[Jon Briggs]

As opposed to the rest of the US, which like most of the western world, is obviously solvent?

 

[Larry L.]

Ya, that's likely to happen.

Uh huh...it is...

Yep, lets piss off or even disrupt the 6th largest economy in the world...

'You mean like the Democrats "p---ed off" and disrupted the entire nation's economy over the past 8 years?

No Federal funds? Sure. Kiss your wine, fruits, nuts, vegetables and iPhones g'bye then.

Loss of all the "fruits and nuts" in Cali would be welcomed with open arms by many...as recent election results demonstrated.

On a serious note though, what you appear to be suggesting would never happen. "Moonbeam", Mayor Ed Lee and the rest of the "sanctuary city" crowd would capitulate the instant the first federal check failed to show. W/O those funds, they'd be terminally up the creek balance sheet-wise (as if they aren't already)...and they know it. The whole state is tottering on that edge as it is...and 'has been for years now.

All the posturing being done by "Moonbeam", Lee, and the mayors of Oakland, New York, Seattle, Boston, L.A., Providence, Santa Fe, Denver and D.C. all remind me of the cartoon showing a mouse defiantly giving the finger to an incoming eagle that's about to sink its talons into him.

 

[Doug S.]

'You mean like the Democrats "p---ed off" and disrupted the entire nation's economy over the past 8 years?

Really, Larry? You mean that's all you got from the last 8 years?

I seem to remember VERY well how Boehner and his partners in crime brought the nation to a standstill. The REPUBS decided that they would oppose EVERY thing Obama proposed...and held the entire country hostage in the process.

THAT is what I remember...your memories may differ, but it would be hard to have lived in the U.S. during Boehner's "reign of terror" and not remember it.

Doug

 

[Larry L.]

The REPUBS decided that they would oppose EVERY thing Obama proposed...

...because "everything Obama proposed" needed to be and should have been opposed...same as now. The GOP opposition to Obama & Co.'s far lefty agenda is what prevented passing into law what His Highness then had to create by exec order...which now can be totally wiped out in a instant by DJT's countermanding exec. orders.

...Boehner's "reign of terror"...

Oh, yes! His "reign of terror"!!! The "terror" was solely in the hearts and minds of the 'gimme-gimmes'.

 

[Rod]

With California's debt and unfunded liabilities they would fall in the ocean with debt weight. Have at it.

Maybe we'll pull a "Trump" and go bankrupt 6 times. :laugh:

Or maybe, we'll just disconnect Netflix streaming for everyone in Blue states. :laugh:

We'll be fine, since we are the 6th largest economy in the world.

 

[Rod]

Uh huh...it is...




'You mean like the Democrats "p---ed off" and disrupted the entire nation's economy over the past 8 years?




Loss of all the "fruits and nuts" in Cali would be welcomed with open arms by many...as recent election results demonstrated.

On a serious note though, what you appear to be suggesting would never happen. "Moonbeam", Mayor Ed Lee and the rest of the "sanctuary city" crowd would capitulate the instant the first federal check failed to show. W/O those funds, they'd be terminally up the creek balance sheet-wise (as if they aren't already)...and they know it. The whole state is tottering on that edge as it is...and 'has been for years now.

All the posturing being done by "Moonbeam", Lee, and the mayors of Oakland, New York, Seattle, Boston, L.A., Providence, Santa Fe, Denver and D.C. all remind me of the cartoon showing a mouse defiantly giving the finger to an incoming eagle that's about to sink its talons into him.

Threats to stop Federal funds to cities and states are just words, empty ones at that. Trump and his cronies have not even taken office yet. Let's wait and see until after 1/20/17. If they desire to piss off an enormous portion of the US population, then the next Presidential election in 2020 will be that much easier for Dems. Clinton didn't miss by many votes in PA, MI, FL and WI and she won the 2016 popular vote by 2% and 2,500,000 votes and counting.

And the US population just becomes less and less caucasian. The alternative is that we'll have to learn Russian. :laugh: